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Post by JMA on Dec 18, 2007 23:19:33 GMT -5
Man up, Ken, and take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY~! for your actions.
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Dec 18, 2007 23:21:00 GMT -5
The whole thing that Graham wants him to apologize for is the fact that Kennedy put words in Graham's mouth that he never said.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2007 23:27:36 GMT -5
I just kind of feel like we took a lot of personal offense to something that was between two men.
Besides, Graham's pretty much the guy that started a standard most fans on this board claim to not stand. This guy gave you Batista, Warrior, Hogan, and more.
Why do we care?
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Dec 18, 2007 23:33:36 GMT -5
I just kind of feel like we took a lot of personal offense to something that was between two men. Besides, Graham's pretty much the guy that started a standard most fans on this board claim to not stand. This guy gave you Batista, Warrior, Hogan, and more. Why do we care? Because without Billy Graham,you would have no Hulk Hogan,and without Hulk Hogan the wrestling industry would have never evolved and you wouldn't be watching WWE. Superstar Billy Graham=The transformation and evolution of pro wrestling.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2007 23:47:21 GMT -5
I just kind of feel like we took a lot of personal offense to something that was between two men. Besides, Graham's pretty much the guy that started a standard most fans on this board claim to not stand. This guy gave you Batista, Warrior, Hogan, and more. Why do we care? Because without Billy Graham,you would have no Hulk Hogan,and without Hulk Hogan the wrestling industry would have never evolved and you wouldn't be watching WWE. Superstar Billy Graham=The transformation and evolution of pro wrestling. I understand that, and I understand his role. Still, the fact remains that he set an unhealthy standard.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Dec 19, 2007 0:27:32 GMT -5
Because without Billy Graham,you would have no Hulk Hogan,and without Hulk Hogan the wrestling industry would have never evolved and you wouldn't be watching WWE. Superstar Billy Graham=The transformation and evolution of pro wrestling. I understand that, and I understand his role. Still, the fact remains that he set an unhealthy standard. Graham never forced anyone to use steroids. It was the wrestlers own decision.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 0:31:01 GMT -5
I understand that, and I understand his role. Still, the fact remains that he set an unhealthy standard. Graham never forced anyone to use steroids. It was the wrestlers own decision. I agree wholeheartedly, but still, pandora's box was open. Image was, and to a lesser extent still is everything.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Dec 19, 2007 0:36:35 GMT -5
Graham never forced anyone to use steroids. It was the wrestlers own decision. I agree wholeheartedly, but still, pandora's box was open. Image was, and to a lesser extent still is everything. Shawn Micheals has never taken steroids in his whole career and he headlined this years Wrestlemania. Besides,no one is forcing Kennedy to be a wrestler.If he's tired of being in WWE,he can leave and do something else.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 0:38:51 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly, but still, pandora's box was open. Image was, and to a lesser extent still is everything. Shawn Micheals has never taken steroids in his whole career and he headlined this years Wrestlemania. Besides,no one is forcing Kennedy to be a wrestler.If he's tired of being in WWE,he can leave and do something else. Who the hell said Kennedy was sick of it? I have no idea where you got that. And Shawn Michaels was fired in the 90s and brought largely due to WCW showing interest. It's always been strongly suspected it was because he was on steroids. It's actually more likely than unlikely he's used them in the past.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Dec 19, 2007 1:01:12 GMT -5
Shawn Micheals has never taken steroids in his whole career and he headlined this years Wrestlemania. Besides,no one is forcing Kennedy to be a wrestler.If he's tired of being in WWE,he can leave and do something else. Who the hell said Kennedy was sick of it? I have no idea where you got that. And Shawn Michaels was fired in the 90s and brought largely due to WCW showing interest. It's always been strongly suspected it was because he was on steroids. It's actually more likely than unlikely he's used them in the past. What I meant was IF he ever was tired of wrestling,no one is forcing him to stay.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 19, 2007 1:08:18 GMT -5
Ah, yet another reason for me to dislike Kennedy. you mean besides sloppy/uninspired ring work? generic cookie cutter promos? OR the generic tatoos
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Post by lunataxc on Dec 19, 2007 3:52:00 GMT -5
Graham never forced anyone to use steroids. It was the wrestlers own decision. I agree wholeheartedly, but still, pandora's box was open. Image was, and to a lesser extent still is everything. Well than you have to be robot because image will always be everything especially when it comes to entertainment. Why do you think people want good looking people in movies all the time? The same can be said about people wanting prowrestlers to have certain body type. I fail to see how Billy Graham is responsible for any of that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 4:06:08 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly, but still, pandora's box was open. Image was, and to a lesser extent still is everything. Well than you have to be robot because image will always be everything especially when it comes to entertainment. Why do you think people want good looking people in movies all the time? The same can be said about people wanting prowrestlers to have certain body type. I fail to see how Billy Graham is responsible for any of that. Well, let's see: Lou Thesz and such? Normal sized guys. Billy Graham? MASSIVE arms. Gee, who do you think set a trend?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 19, 2007 4:56:28 GMT -5
Because without Billy Graham,you would have no Hulk Hogan,and without Hulk Hogan the wrestling industry would have never evolved and you wouldn't be watching WWE. Superstar Billy Graham=The transformation and evolution of pro wrestling. I understand that, and I understand his role. Still, the fact remains that he set an unhealthy standard. No one gets on Sunny's Case (Except me) about how she started the trend of Divas who's main asset is looking pretty and give fan service to the audience. People claim that she was the all around female talent, but her wrestling sucked, and as a manager, she eventally she became what stacy keibler became, some chick who just shows up randomly and pimp stuff, or given weird on air roles just to have something to do.
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Post by plushtar on Dec 19, 2007 12:54:25 GMT -5
Well than you have to be robot because image will always be everything especially when it comes to entertainment. Why do you think people want good looking people in movies all the time? The same can be said about people wanting prowrestlers to have certain body type. I fail to see how Billy Graham is responsible for any of that. Well, let's see: Lou Thesz and such? Normal sized guys. Billy Graham? MASSIVE arms. Gee, who do you think set a trend? So he is either giving out hypnotic messages telling people to take steroids, or he is sneaking into hotel rooms at night to inject the performers while they sleep. The only wrong doing Graham has done was f*** up his own life and now he has that hanging around him for the rest of his life and Graham will admit that.
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Post by lunataxc on Dec 19, 2007 16:02:53 GMT -5
Well than you have to be robot because image will always be everything especially when it comes to entertainment. Why do you think people want good looking people in movies all the time? The same can be said about people wanting prowrestlers to have certain body type. I fail to see how Billy Graham is responsible for any of that. Well, let's see: Lou Thesz and such? Normal sized guys. Billy Graham? MASSIVE arms. Gee, who do you think set a trend? I think a trend known as bodybuilding did. Unless you can prove Graham invented it. Even tough the practice of bodybuilding was invented long before Graham was even born.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 19, 2007 16:06:34 GMT -5
The eighties were known for drug abuse and steroids.
You really couldn't avoid it i mean look at Lou Ferrigno...
Body building isn't a trend though it's always been big, it just got bigger in the eighties.
I mean everyone from Jake the Snake to Kerry Von Erich were abusing roids
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 16:08:52 GMT -5
The eighties were known for drug abuse and steroids. You really couldn't avoid it i mean look at Lou Ferrigno... Body building isn't a trend though it's always been big, it just got bigger in the eighties. I mean everyone from Jake the Snake to Kerry Von Erich were abusing roids Thank you for actually coming up with examples, instead of prentending I had no point at all. I do appreciate it, as that's how debate actually works. I guess I unfaily pinned the blame on Graham. If it wasn't him, it would of been someone else.
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Post by lunataxc on Dec 19, 2007 16:17:42 GMT -5
Its gotta be Arnold he was what Mr. Olympia for years during the 70s. Then he went main stream into movies and became a big star in the 80s.
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Post by Big Daddy on Dec 19, 2007 22:50:17 GMT -5
I understand that, and I understand his role. Still, the fact remains that he set an unhealthy standard. Graham never forced anyone to use steroids. It was the wrestlers own decision. Thank you these are grown people that made a choice. No one made them put steriods in thier bodies
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