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Post by Corporate H on Dec 18, 2007 21:51:18 GMT -5
Not bad...
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 18, 2007 21:54:19 GMT -5
I like it but, that ending seems like a bit of a downer to end Wrestlemania on, IMO. At the same time, that would be a HUGE ending for Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 21:58:32 GMT -5
What I think should happen is that Flair should lose, against whoever, as the main event of 'Mania. Maybe it can be a 'WWE Championship vs. Career' match.
After the match, Flair shakes hands with his opponent and to end the show, everyone in the back comes out to celebrate the career of Ric Flair, giving him a standing ovation.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 18, 2007 22:00:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind this storyline. If it meant a 4 Horsemen reunion and Funk making a WWE cameo, I'd be totally down.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 18, 2007 22:15:47 GMT -5
How about Flair winning MITB, immediately challenging for the title because "momentum is on [his] side," he wins the title and then goes on to lose it in the main event to the guy who was supposed to challenge for it anyway?
That's what I would do, anyway.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 18, 2007 22:35:13 GMT -5
The problem with the original idea is that's very, very structured and predictable. Not only are you running 7 months of Flair matches with obvious outcomes, but you're giving away two of the major mania matches - MITB and a World Title match.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Dec 18, 2007 22:36:44 GMT -5
May I add: a flukey 7-months winning streak by a 60 years old man who has jobbed to Kenny Dykstra, Carlito and my Grandmother in the last year... I'm on the "It's a dumb idea" bandwagon... so Flair goes over all and sundry, and it's great, and a current talent like Cena does it and it's asinine superman booking. Maybe once Cena puts 35 great years into the business, putting everyone and their brother over for 3 decades, while staying consistently over, he too can earn a legend's send-off. This is Wrestling. A world where a midget can win the Cruiserweight title, a woman can win the IC belt, Vince McMahon can win BOTH the WWF and ECW World Titles (while having 50/50 matches with guys like Lashley & HHH) is a world where Ric f***ing Flair can go out in a high profile main event blaze of glory. We're not talking about some regular ham & egger here. This is Ric Flair. And hypothetically, this is his last hurrah. He deserves a great finale.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 19, 2007 1:48:54 GMT -5
I hope this is the way Flair's career does end as he wins MITB but comes so close to becoming the NEW Champion but the Champ somehow pulls it off. Then in the end, all of Flair's friends and everyone can come out and celebrate the end of his run.
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Post by default on Dec 19, 2007 2:17:51 GMT -5
I love the MITB idea, I even suggested it a little while back before hearing it was in the plans.
I think the idea of Flair losing and retiring at 'Mania is awesome, but part of me would love to see him win the belt and lose it the next night on Raw.
Imagine if you will, Orton pulls the bastard of all bastard moves and gets himself intentionally DQ'ed against HHH after a long, hard match. Flair hits the ring with the briefcase in one hand and a mic in the other complaining about the miscarriage of justice. He says if allowed, he'd like to give HHH the briefcase, but Vince storms out and says no, it's Flair's and Flair's alone. Flair cashes it in on the spot and manages a reversal of the RKO into a schoolboy for the climatic win. The boys pour out of the back and along with HHH, hoist Flair on their shoulders to celebrate (ala the post-Raw from Carolina years ago that featured HHH vs. Flair).
The next night, Orton invokes his rematch clause to Vince, who gladly gives it to him. Orton beats Flair and gets the coup d'gras of "killing" Flair's legend. Orton then begins his feud with HHH again and loses the title to him at Backlash or whatever.
Granted, it brings up somes of WrestleMania 9 (and ironically both would take place in outdoor arenas)... but Flair is a lot more likeable than Hogan and it's not like HHH is as loved as Bret Hart was... and Orton is better at being a dick in this fashion than Yoko or even, dare I say it, I will... Mr. Fuji.
However, it's a great storybook ending. Would probably garner some solid replays of the event on top of the huge buyrate to begin with, plus the HHH/Orton match at Backlash would be highly anticipated for a big buyrate for it.
Also, Flair can lead the class at 'Mania 25 in '09 and possibly take the color commentator's position on SD. (I imagine if he wants it, it's his.)
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Post by Schemer on Dec 19, 2007 2:33:37 GMT -5
I like the idea of Flair winning MITB, then cashing it in, winning the title with the figure four leglock, then I dunno... Retiring the next night on Raw. If Flair won it and retired, there would be no one who would look bad... Submitting to the figure four is not shameful, and at least I know, it's not something that will bury your career.
Failing that, I really think Flair should at least go out in a less "sad" mode. Maybe we should get a face champion and have them shake hands at the end, and everyone come out to say goodbye. It would be kind of bittersweet. Not totally depressing like him leaving his robe and boots in the ring.
'Naitch deserves to go out in a classy and not so sad way.
BTW, Naitch as SD Color Commentator!!!!!! OMG, I would love to make that happen!!!! If it can't be JBL or Bobby Heenan, a funny, insightful, and entertaining Nature Boy color commentating would be GOLD!!! We could even hear some of his old woo's that were kind of small and fast, but so cool in the old days.
"Look at that (insert finisher here) woo!"
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Post by tna on Dec 19, 2007 2:52:23 GMT -5
Sounds like it would have been good to me.
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Post by BxB on Dec 19, 2007 3:25:43 GMT -5
Sounds like a damn good storyline on paper, but some bits would be a stretch. I remember Scott Hall saying in a shoot how losing to some of the 50 year olds wasn't doing him or any of the other guys any favors and how the crowd would find it tough to take them serious after losing to the older talent. So, Flair beating the younger guys for about 6-7 months doesn't sound all that good to me. Plus, I love Terry Funk, but I really don't want to see him on my TV, it looks like he's going to kill himself whenever I watch him wrestle.
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Post by Loki on Dec 19, 2007 5:25:27 GMT -5
I'm on the "It's a dumb idea" bandwagon... so Flair goes over all and sundry, and it's great, and a current talent like Cena does it and it's asinine superman booking. Maybe once Cena puts 35 great years into the business, putting everyone and their brother over for 3 decades, while staying consistently over, he too can earn a legend's send-off. This is Wrestling. A world where a midget can win the Cruiserweight title, a woman can win the IC belt, Vince McMahon can win BOTH the WWF and ECW World Titles (while having 50/50 matches with guys like Lashley & HHH) is a world where Ric smurfing Flair can go out in a high profile main event blaze of glory. We're not talking about some regular ham & egger here. This is Ric Flair. And hypothetically, this is his last hurrah. He deserves a great finale. Sorry but it doesn't matter if it's Cena, Goldberg or Flair. Long winning streak, especially under the current "52 shows, 16 PPV a year" style of booking, are wrong, boring and not credible. Even more when it's a 60 years old man kicking ass left and right. Flair may have earned a great finale, but his 35 years of contribution to the business don't mean we have to see him winning via count-out or DQ or cheap roll-ups for 7-8 months. Not to mention giving him the win in the MitB and the main event spot (and/or the Belt) at WrestleMania. Many other Superstars had long and successful careers but didn't get a farewell title reign or a send-off with bells and whistles. Ok, wrestling isn't "real", but even kayfabe should have some lines not to be crossed. A midget is Cruiserweight Champion, but the belt was meaningless before, and is forgotten now. Chyna was IC Champion, but she was bigger than some male wrestlers, and the idea behind the character was innovative and IMO great. Vince hold some World titles because he's Vincent Kennedy McMahon dammit! Ric Flair is Ric Flair, but after years of being a Special Attraction (and mostly a jobber), it'd be ridiculous giving him a 8 months winning streak.
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Post by Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems on Dec 19, 2007 11:02:26 GMT -5
If WWE stops emphasizing Flair's wins so much and/or actually lets him legit beat guys once in a while (i.e figure 4 on Kenny Doane on a SD as opposed to a rollup), then this angle might get some more steam going. But for the time being the original proposed angle sounds MUCH better, what with all the fanfare, the legends, the big-fight feel against Khali, etc. I love Flair and this is his send-off. It needs to be huge. I'm just afraid we WILL get cheap, rollup finished against stars for 6 months and then a rushed ending at WMXXIV like everyone is saying.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 19, 2007 11:04:10 GMT -5
If WWE stops emphasizing Flair's wins so much and/or actually lets him legit beat guys once in a while (i.e figure 4 on Kenny Doane on a SD as opposed to a rollup), then this angle might get some more steam going. But for the time being the original proposed angle sounds MUCH better, what with all the fanfare, the legends, the big-fight feel against Khali, etc. I love Flair and this is his send-off. It needs to be huge. I'm just afraid we WILL get cheap, rollup finished against stars for 6 months and then a rushed ending at WMXXIV like everyone is saying. I don't think if he would've beaten Kenny cleanly that people would've cared.
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Post by acressl on Dec 19, 2007 11:08:26 GMT -5
If WWE stops emphasizing Flair's wins so much and/or actually lets him legit beat guys once in a while (i.e figure 4 on Kenny Doane on a SD as opposed to a rollup), then this angle might get some more steam going. But for the time being the original proposed angle sounds MUCH better, what with all the fanfare, the legends, the big-fight feel against Khali, etc. I love Flair and this is his send-off. It needs to be huge. I'm just afraid we WILL get cheap, rollup finished against stars for 6 months and then a rushed ending at WMXXIV like everyone is saying. I don't think if he would've beaten Kenny cleanly that people would've cared. I know, right? Kenny's a whole lifetime to get over. Flair's only one chance to go out right. I think you could argue beating Kenny legit may be better than beating someone more substantial (as if that were possible) with the almighty roll up. This plan was good. So, what happened?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 19, 2007 11:50:52 GMT -5
As long as Flair's current streak is ended by a face- in other words, someone that Flair's character respects- then I'm satisfied.
Having the bad guy triumph in this storyline would severly taint Flair's big farewell, IMO.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Dec 19, 2007 17:38:29 GMT -5
Vince hold some World titles because he's Vincent Kennedy McMahon dammit! That's not a very logical argument. If the issue is believability, why can you buy a man (Vince), who's been a non-wrestler for 95% of his career, and a guy who's older than Flair, winning two World Titles and going toe to toe evenly with some of this generation's best talent? My point was wrestling is suspension of disbelief. And if we're forced to accept certain other things, a Ric Flair main event campaign for Wrestlemania is not that unbelievable. Ric Flair is a legend, and arguably the most consistently over wrestler in history. Crowds burned out, popularity wise on almost everyone, from Hogan to Rock, but somehow Flair has persevered. I don't see how people can put Flair on the same level as a lot of other guys. He's in a category all by himself. He deserves to go out in one last blaze of glory.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 18:14:35 GMT -5
I'm on the silly idea side myself
Although, I love that ending
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Post by Garee on Dec 19, 2007 18:35:51 GMT -5
That would make an amazing WM moment
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