metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Dec 23, 2007 13:07:41 GMT -5
Can he even use the Pepsi Plunge in WWE? HHH would fire him via fax.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 23, 2007 13:08:44 GMT -5
i also believe the g2s is a very weak finish. it just doesn't look that great, especially for a guy like punk. i also thought the anaconda vice was lame. i want the pepsi plunge dammit! It's a striking move in puro. Some moves can translate well (like the Shining Wizard used by Helms or the Muta Lock used by Melina) but the GTS just does not translate well into pro wrestling. When KENTA does it, it looks really painful. When Punk does it, he just does it totally half-assed... Also part of it is in the selling. Guys like Morrison can sell it like death and it looks good. Then you have The Miz who at one point sold it like Linda McMahon getting a Stunner. Also, Gregory Helms does not do a "true" Shining Wizard. He sorta just flings himself at the opponent and enziguri's him.
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Post by maxx420 on Dec 23, 2007 13:18:32 GMT -5
i also believe the g2s is a very weak finish. it just doesn't look that great, especially for a guy like punk. i also thought the anaconda vice was lame. i want the pepsi plunge dammit! The pepsi plunge is dead, atleast as a regular finisher. It's hell on the knees. Let's not forget it's also an amped up version of a finisher by a broken-down spotlight hog with three initials.
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Post by SassovsHart on Dec 23, 2007 13:31:13 GMT -5
The pepsi plunge is dead, atleast as a regular finisher. It's hell on the knees. Let's not forget it's also an amped up version of a finisher by a broken-down spotlight hog with three initials. Does it matter which guy was doing it? WWE in general wants their guys to have their own seperate signature moves, and doesn't want someone to use an amped up version of another guy's finishing move, Triple H or not. Not that it really matters anyways as he stopped using it on his own anyways well before going to WWE because of the it being hell on the knees like stryker said.
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Post by maxx420 on Dec 23, 2007 13:36:20 GMT -5
Let's not forget it's also an amped up version of a finisher by a broken-down spotlight hog with three initials. Does it matter which guy was doing it? WWE in general wants their guys to have their own seperate signature moves, and doesn't want someone to use an amped up version of another guy's finishing move, Triple H or not. How do you explain all the use of the Pumphandle Slam & about 7 different versions of a Neckbreaker being used at the same time? Not to mention the inverted STO.
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Post by xombiehiphop on Dec 23, 2007 13:40:13 GMT -5
The way the Go 2 Sleep looks is pretty much all on the victim taking it. But I do miss the Anaconda Vice.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 23, 2007 13:41:07 GMT -5
Does it matter which guy was doing it? WWE in general wants their guys to have their own seperate signature moves, and doesn't want someone to use an amped up version of another guy's finishing move, Triple H or not. How do you explain all the use of the Pumphandle Slam & about 7 different versions of a Neckbreaker being used at the same time? Not to mention the inverted STO. There's a difference between a generic guy using a generic finisher and a top guy and a unique finisher. Aside from RVD and Eddie both using a variation of the frog splash, how many times in any promotion have you seen top level guys using the same finisher?
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Post by KLRA on Dec 23, 2007 14:08:18 GMT -5
How do you explain all the use of the Pumphandle Slam & about 7 different versions of a Neckbreaker being used at the same time? Not to mention the inverted STO. There's a difference between a generic guy using a generic finisher and a top guy and a unique finisher. Aside from RVD and Eddie both using a variation of the frog splash, how many times in any promotion have you seen top level guys using the same finisher? Exactly, you don't "kill" somebody's big move. The Pedigree has been established as HHH's BIG MOVE so out of a matter of respect you don't use it, or any variation of it. I like the Go 2 Sleep when it is sold well (Elijah and Morrison sell it like DEATH, as a striking move to the face should be), but when it is sold horribly (looking at the Miz) it is a really weak finishing move. I personally wouldn't mind Punk adding that move into his reserves and only bringing it out every once and a while (like the Burning Hammer of Kenta Kobashi) because it is a cool looking move. But it's one of those moves that becomes less impactful the more you see it. I think Punk should be using a lariat, much like JBL's Clothesline From Hell. Punk works over the head/upperbody in matches anyways, so it would make total sense for him to use something like that.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 23, 2007 16:47:34 GMT -5
Recently I saw KENTA do an Anaconda Vise
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Post by The Line on Dec 23, 2007 17:11:24 GMT -5
I think if Punk put some variation with it, it would be better. Maybe catch someone off the top rope/springboard.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Dec 23, 2007 17:19:11 GMT -5
I always liked the Anaconda Vise better.
But as far as impactful finishers goes, I'd much prefer Punk to use the Hammerlock DDT as opposed to the GTS, but that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2007 17:54:40 GMT -5
It's a striking move in puro. Some moves can translate well (like the Shining Wizard used by Helms or the Muta Lock used by Melina) but the GTS just does not translate well into pro wrestling. When KENTA does it, it looks really painful. When Punk does it, he just does it totally half-assed... Also part of it is in the selling. Guys like Morrison can sell it like death and it looks good. Then you have The Miz who at one point sold it like Linda McMahon getting a Stunner. Also, Gregory Helms does not do a "true" Shining Wizard. He sorta just flings himself at the opponent and enziguri's him. It is the selling, but Punk just doesn't put any force in the knee. He kinda just does a face breaker. And while Helms' Shining Wizard isn't quite the one of puro fame, hey, he still makes it look believable pretty well.
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 24, 2007 4:41:32 GMT -5
i concur on the hammerlock ddt. either his or the hammerlock/leg trip ddt that paul london used waaaaay back in the day in roh. he'd still be able to work the head/neck, use g2s whenever necessary, bust out the vise, etc. but lariat? no way. he does muay thai and brasilian jiu jitsu, not japanese puro. silly wrestling fans...
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Post by Splinter on Dec 24, 2007 4:50:13 GMT -5
WWE should seek endorsement from Pepsi and put Punk in a finishers match where the only way to win is by using either the Pepsi Plunge or a Coke Hold
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 24, 2007 7:03:04 GMT -5
i actually like the G2S (although the name sucks), but i think punk should stop using it. he's smaller than about two thirds of the current roster, so i doubt he could really use it in all that many situations. the anaconda vice rocks, but he does need a pinfall finisher too. maybe use that knee/bulldog combo.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 16:29:58 GMT -5
Is there any video of the hammerlock ddt?
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Post by Splinter on Dec 25, 2007 17:01:03 GMT -5
If you can get it there's a free DVD in a back issue of FSM showing a match from FWA (Can't remember the show) where he uses it on Samoa Joe
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Post by KLRA on Dec 25, 2007 18:26:39 GMT -5
i concur on the hammerlock ddt. either his or the hammerlock/leg trip ddt that paul london used waaaaay back in the day in roh. he'd still be able to work the head/neck, use g2s whenever necessary, bust out the vise, etc. but lariat? no way. he does muay thai and brasilian jiu jitsu, not japanese puro. silly wrestling fans... When has the wrestling world ever have to make sense? And I honestly can't remember the last time I saw Punk doing something that resembled BJJ.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on Dec 25, 2007 19:03:57 GMT -5
Just a quick little remark, lets not forget the G2S to Kenny Dykstra where he folded up like a cheap chair.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 25, 2007 19:04:04 GMT -5
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