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Post by machinegun on Dec 20, 2007 23:02:26 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people are voting yes
It's an absolute NO on this one.
He's not having any feuds over it.
He just won it and is now going after the WWE title. Giving the belt absolute no prestige. It's all about the WWE title.
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Post by twiggy101 on Dec 20, 2007 23:24:43 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people are voting yes It's an absolute NO on this one. He's not having any feuds over it. He just won it and is now going after the WWE title. Giving the belt absolute no prestige. It's all about the WWE title. Yeah, I agree with you there. I kinda forgot he had the belt.
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Post by Kyle on Dec 21, 2007 0:27:30 GMT -5
I can't believe so many people are voting yes It's an absolute NO on this one. He's not having any feuds over it. He just won it and is now going after the WWE title. Giving the belt absolute no prestige. It's all about the WWE title. Spot on! In my opinion, the IC title is dead. It's been dead ever since they got rid of it (and then brought it back) a few years ago. I still think the WWE needs to have (even some type of half-assed attempt) at actual weight divisions. Meaning the HEAVYweight championship actually is for the bigger guys. Eliminating the "Intercontinental" title (because who the hell wants to be intercontinental at anything? Let alone wrestling) Bringing in a Welter Weight Champion, and using the Cruiser Weight title (it still exists doesn't it?). Then again a weight division would force the WWE to follow some type of logic or reason, and we can't have that now can we. ~Kyle
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 21, 2007 0:31:27 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by skiller on Dec 21, 2007 1:21:35 GMT -5
No.
The last real time when the IC title really meant anything was during Orton's reign. The reason the reign is looked so highly upon is due to the emphasis put on the IC title whenever Orton was around, or even just mentioned. Basically the whole time he was the champion, Orton didn't care about other belts, he would only talk about how great a champion he was. It also helped that the talent pool of wrestlers also gunning for the belt was fairly impressive. With names such as Edge, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and even Mick Foley.
The whole Foley feud never had anything to do with the Intercontinental belt, the whole angle centered around a loogie. But the match booked at backlash between the two still had the belt on the line. Unlike today where it would likely have been just another non-title match, they went that much further to put the match over. It also made sense that Foley wanted revenge, he wanted to take the one thing Orton prized above everything else, that being the Intercontinental Title. Orton retained, and while the fact that it was a title match may have been forgotten due to a sick thumb tack spot, the belt was better for it.
During this era whenever Orton was interviewed he always seemed so proud of his belt, he held it on a pedestal like no one has since. It almost became a part of him to the point where he lost, he acted so devastated. Unfortunately a rush World Heavyweight title reign ruined what could've been the next great chapter for the belt, but that's another story.
The whole reason that the belt seemed like such a prize was for a combination of reasons. Firstly Orton, should be commended for how he carried the belt. It's funny looking at the shows today and seeing Orton looking bored while holding the top belt when he managed to make millions care about a second tier belt on a few years ago. Secondly the while booking of Orton always centered around the IC belt. It was always made to look like the prize at the end of the road in any of his feuds. You'd rarely hear anyone talk about Orton without mentioning he was the champion, or even see him walking around without the belt. Whenever he made his entrance he put almost all the focus on his pride and joy.
There's probably other things I forgot, but I'm a little tired. But it's really funny looking back at Orton there and today where he can't generate interest for even the very top title. But back on point Jeff's a good champion, but I don't really care about the belt like I did in early - mid '04.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Dec 21, 2007 8:10:53 GMT -5
I'd actually forgotten he was IC champ. That's because he's not wearing the real IC title, he's wearing the smoothed out computerized version, which stinks in my book. I don't know why the E had to go and change all of the titles, they look horrible. TNA's titles look better, and TNA...well, isn't very good, lol. This is all.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 21, 2007 8:22:21 GMT -5
not really. i forgot he even had the belt.
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Post by Loki on Dec 21, 2007 8:45:57 GMT -5
It's hardly Jeff's fault if the IC title hasn't been on the line, as part of an actual storyline, for quite a while. As usual it's because WWE can't be bothered to "waste" airtime to promote a secondary belt.
Jeff is now #1 Contender because the crowd loves him and THEY pushed him where he his now. WWE just went with the flow, and are booking him accordingly to the reactions he's getting.
Had the crowd not cared much about Jeff, and it wasn't like he got awesome angles anyway, he'd be where Jericho, Benjamin and Carlito were as IC Champions: filling up airtime before the main event.
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Post by Shiori C: WC Blue Moon Poster on Dec 21, 2007 9:11:32 GMT -5
I think it will be a big deal when Hardy eventually loses the belt, as he's barely ever losing at the moment. It'd probably be best going on Kennedy looking at the potential choices to replace Hardy, although that said, which faces could realistically compete for the title other than Jeff?
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Post by Bobby Womack on Dec 25, 2007 15:42:21 GMT -5
no, mvp is doing it for the us title though
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Post by Ridley on Dec 25, 2007 16:04:37 GMT -5
Not to me, I don't think it's defended enough at the moment and right now it feels like it's just padding on a match - even that ladder match - which is bizarre when Hardy has been having consistantly good matches. Does anyone has a list of IC matches since Hardy won it from Umaga?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 25, 2007 16:22:03 GMT -5
No. The last real time when the IC title really meant anything was during Orton's reign. The reason the reign is looked so highly upon is due to the emphasis put on the IC title whenever Orton was around, or even just mentioned. Basically the whole time he was the champion, Orton didn't care about other belts, he would only talk about how great a champion he was. It also helped that the talent pool of wrestlers also gunning for the belt was fairly impressive. With names such as Edge, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and even Mick Foley. The whole Foley feud never had anything to do with the Intercontinental belt, the whole angle centered around a loogie. But the match booked at backlash between the two still had the belt on the line. Unlike today where it would likely have been just another non-title match, they went that much further to put the match over. It also made sense that Foley wanted revenge, he wanted to take the one thing Orton prized above everything else, that being the Intercontinental Title. Orton retained, and while the fact that it was a title match may have been forgotten due to a sick thumb tack spot, the belt was better for it. During this era whenever Orton was interviewed he always seemed so proud of his belt, he held it on a pedestal like no one has since. It almost became a part of him to the point where he lost, he acted so devastated. Unfortunately a rush World Heavyweight title reign ruined what could've been the next great chapter for the belt, but that's another story. The whole reason that the belt seemed like such a prize was for a combination of reasons. Firstly Orton, should be commended for how he carried the belt. It's funny looking at the shows today and seeing Orton looking bored while holding the top belt when he managed to make millions care about a second tier belt on a few years ago. Secondly the while booking of Orton always centered around the IC belt. It was always made to look like the prize at the end of the road in any of his feuds. You'd rarely hear anyone talk about Orton without mentioning he was the champion, or even see him walking around without the belt. Whenever he made his entrance he put almost all the focus on his pride and joy. There's probably other things I forgot, but I'm a little tired. But it's really funny looking back at Orton there and today where he can't generate interest for even the very top title. But back on point Jeff's a good champion, but I don't really care about the belt like I did in early - mid '04. Agreed 100% I'd also like to add to that, Orton was a cocky as hell SOB during this time and he showed off so much. The people he defended the belt against wanted to beat him to take that one thing that was keeping him as the jackass his character was by then. Along with that, if Orton's IC title belt was taken out of Evolution, it would have made a huge dent onto the, at that point, powerhouse the stable had become.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 25, 2007 16:33:08 GMT -5
I wish he would defend it more against challengers who are up and coming midcarders. He should have also defended the belt in Iraq too. He would have won, but I think it would have been neat. Maybe I'm just a mark, but I like being there for title matches. And they could be like, wow, an Intercontinental Title match, that's pretty cool.
I think they should have the Intercontinental Title defended at least once on Raw every 4 weeks (they can get away with the 30 day no defend clause by possibly saying it's defended at house shows). And have it against a midcarder who's getting some backing or whatever. Like, let's say Santino Marella is getting a decent push on television. Then, during the 4 week peroid, we have Santino vs Jeff Hardy. We can add in angles from both guys and add them into the match, maybe Orton gives Marella some advice, or interferes, or something.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 25, 2007 17:18:41 GMT -5
No because the wins are never for the IC title.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Dec 25, 2007 19:02:55 GMT -5
The wins are doing a great deal for Jeff himself, but as has already been said, they won't do much for the IC title if he's not defending it.
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