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Post by Jon The Joker on Dec 30, 2007 13:51:22 GMT -5
Okay.... and what does the Joker go waving about in peoples faces all the time Jon? What does he tend to shoot people with? Would that be the same GUNS that offend you when used on a wrestling show? Oh yeah! There's a difference there, you jerk. I don't want to talk about it, but lets just say it's different when someone who is supposed to love puts a gun in your face. It's not something to joke about, and the Batman comics and movies don't joke about it.
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Post by silverbullet on Dec 30, 2007 13:59:16 GMT -5
HE'S GOT A GUN!
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Post by alphaman on Dec 30, 2007 14:27:32 GMT -5
Whilst it was a very memorable angle, it certainly didn't put WWE back on the map.
WWE TV was for the most part excellent throughout 1997 (i.e. after this angle), but WCW still hammered them in the ratings (and in PPV buyrates for the most part, if I remember correctly).
The Montreal incident, and subsequent genesis of the "Mr McMahon" tv character/feud with Steve Austin is what put WWE back on the map.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 30, 2007 14:31:39 GMT -5
I didn't like this. I felt it went too far
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Dec 30, 2007 14:36:28 GMT -5
I sort of agree that guns have no place in pro wrestling. Years ago McMahon promoted WWE as entertainment that doesn't use shootings, knives, etc. like routine TV programming does. But it was done for shock value at a time when WWE was in a lull and in the middle of getting their asses kicked by WCW.
It did fall in line with Pillman's ticking time bomb gimmick so I wasn't as up in arms as the PTC and such groups were at the time.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Dec 30, 2007 16:07:53 GMT -5
I thought the angle was superb. I did then and I do now. I thought it fit perfectly within the parameters of Pillman and Austin's characters. For months, Pillman was depicted on TV as being completely mentally unbalanced. So for his former best friend, Austin, who tried to cripple him, to come to HIS HOUSE to potentially finish him off, mind you while Brian was helpless with a big-assed cast on his leg, I think it was entirely within the realm of believability that Pillman would pull a gun. A lot of people would in that situation. It was realistic. I think it struck a nerve with a lot of people because they were still used to being spoon-fed cartoony unrealistic nonsense like hockey players turned wrestlers and garbage men, while this one angle was built upon a realistic scenario and reaction. The reactions felt real. It was a real step up from the usual wrestling staple of guys trying to put HOLDS on the people who tried to cripple them when they finally meet in a match. I thought it worked and advanced both characters nicely.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 30, 2007 20:42:09 GMT -5
This was great I wish they would do it again. Problem is they've got nobody on the level of Pillman and Austin nowadays to pull it off so well.
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Post by Cyborg Franky on Dec 30, 2007 21:49:58 GMT -5
When I was a kid, this was always one of my favorite angles. I mean this when I was like in 4th grade, and I didn't expect this to happend. Watching it on both the Pillman dvd and Raw 15th aniversy dvd made me love it even more.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 31, 2007 9:16:30 GMT -5
I thought the angle was superb. I did then and I do now. I thought it fit perfectly within the parameters of Pillman and Austin's characters. For months, Pillman was depicted on TV as being completely mentally unbalanced. So for his former best friend, Austin, who tried to cripple him, to come to HIS HOUSE to potentially finish him off, mind you while Brian was helpless with a big-assed cast on his leg, I think it was entirely within the realm of believability that Pillman would pull a gun. A lot of people would in that situation. It was realistic. I think it struck a nerve with a lot of people because they were still used to being spoon-fed cartoony unrealistic nonsense like hockey players turned wrestlers and garbage men, while this one angle was built upon a realistic scenario and reaction. The reactions felt real. It was a real step up from the usual wrestling staple of guys trying to put HOLDS on the people who tried to cripple them when they finally meet in a match. I thought it worked and advanced both characters nicely. I think it would've been real if he fired it at least or if the three guys that Austin was beating up on actually got the better of him or restrained him at the very least.
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