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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2007 18:42:48 GMT -5
Well, no, because personally i dont believe it should be legalised in any country. It's not good stuff.
I will however agree this is definitely a circular arguement and one where we should all think of the children!
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Post by Above Average on Dec 30, 2007 18:50:11 GMT -5
If RVD were to smoke marijuana in a country where it's legalized, would he be an ok role model? If [insert slave driver here] were to slave drive in the Sudan, would HE be an okay role model?
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 30, 2007 19:18:54 GMT -5
Ok, but surely the HHH beer adverts are on after a certain point in the evening? Thus, if the children are watching, would not they be watching with their parents who could point out that beer shouldnt be drunk? Are there not warnings along with the beer adverts? No. Beer commercials are not legislated to be on at any particular time. They are on football games which get broadcaseted at 10 in the morning in some cities. There are no warnings (although every now and then you get some guy to say 'drink responsibliy' at the end of the commercial), and parents hardly watch tv with their children all the time. There is no need to post on the internet about alcohol. The stuff is legal in most of the country. Van Damn was never charged with driving under the influence. Frankly, his punishment by the state of Ohio was the same as if he was speeding. Yet I doubt the WWE would have cared if he got a speeding ticket. I'm not sure what Van Damn has done that is immoral. I don't believe that taking whatever you want to voluntarily ingest into your body is immoral, unless you start to neglect your responsibliites because of said ingestion. The Sudanese government has allowed slavery to persist there and has actively supported groups that enslave people. Actively supporting an action is the same as making it legal, since the government is the one that enforces the law. But just because a ruling group decides to make someting legal or illegal hardly makes something moral or immoral. Parents are there to teach children morals. Not government.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 30, 2007 19:20:43 GMT -5
As for them all drinking in the ring, see previous comments on the legality of beer vs the illegality of drugs. So for you it's not really a matter or right and wrong. Just a matter of legal vs. illegal.
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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2007 19:24:45 GMT -5
As for them all drinking in the ring, see previous comments on the legality of beer vs the illegality of drugs. So for you it's not really a matter or right and wrong. Just a matter of legal vs. illegal. While for you it is a matter of drugs are good vs i must be an idiot for thinking doing and promoting something illegal is wrong?
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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2007 19:27:50 GMT -5
Ok, but surely the HHH beer adverts are on after a certain point in the evening? Thus, if the children are watching, would not they be watching with their parents who could point out that beer shouldnt be drunk? Are there not warnings along with the beer adverts? No. Beer commercials are not legislated to be on at any particular time. They are on football games which get broadcaseted at 10 in the morning in some cities. There are no warnings (although every now and then you get some guy to say 'drink responsibliy' at the end of the commercial), and parents hardly watch tv with their children all the time. There is no need to post on the internet about alcohol. The stuff is legal in most of the country. Van Damn was never charged with driving under the influence. Frankly, his punishment by the state of Ohio was the same as if he was speeding. Yet I doubt the WWE would have cared if he got a speeding ticket. I'm not sure what Van Damn has done that is immoral. I don't believe that taking whatever you want to voluntarily ingest into your body is immoral, unless you start to neglect your responsibliites because of said ingestion. The Sudanese government has allowed slavery to persist there and has actively supported groups that enslave people. Actively supporting an action is the same as making it legal, since the government is the one that enforces the law. But just because a ruling group decides to make someting legal or illegal hardly makes something moral or immoral. Parents are there to teach children morals. Not government. No, everyone is, working together. Where parents fail, then a government should pick it up. Morality is subjective. My moral code is obviously vastly different to yours. My moral code tells me that drugs are bad and promoting them in any form is bad. I do not believe it is immoral to ingest into your body any substance, I believe however it is immoral to promote that.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 30, 2007 19:34:26 GMT -5
No. Beer commercials are not legislated to be on at any particular time. They are on football games which get broadcaseted at 10 in the morning in some cities. There are no warnings (although every now and then you get some guy to say 'drink responsibliy' at the end of the commercial), and parents hardly watch tv with their children all the time. There is no need to post on the internet about alcohol. The stuff is legal in most of the country. Van Damn was never charged with driving under the influence. Frankly, his punishment by the state of Ohio was the same as if he was speeding. Yet I doubt the WWE would have cared if he got a speeding ticket. I'm not sure what Van Damn has done that is immoral. I don't believe that taking whatever you want to voluntarily ingest into your body is immoral, unless you start to neglect your responsibliites because of said ingestion. The Sudanese government has allowed slavery to persist there and has actively supported groups that enslave people. Actively supporting an action is the same as making it legal, since the government is the one that enforces the law. But just because a ruling group decides to make someting legal or illegal hardly makes something moral or immoral. Parents are there to teach children morals. Not government. No, everyone is, working together. Where parents fail, then a government should pick it up. Morality is subjective. My moral code is obviously vastly different to yours. My moral code tells me that drugs are bad and promoting them in any form is bad. I do not believe it is immoral to ingest into your body any substance, I believe however it is immoral to promote that. The simple fact that people have the choice to do what they want is promotion enough. If some kid is going to smoke a joint because "Rob Van Dam told me to," that kid was going to have a f***ed-up life anyway, and smoking weed will end up being the least of his problems. (and there's your opening for the "gateway drug" argument, which is a fallacy in and of itself, since the only reason it's a "gateway" is because it's the most accessible, IMO.)
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Post by Legion on Dec 30, 2007 19:42:41 GMT -5
I think this arguement is one that could go round forever in circles. Im gonna call it here and now that we will never find an answer. I seriously hate drugs and those that promote them so im not going to be swayed, while those who object to my stance have everyright to their own and are probably equally as hard headed about it. I'm gonna leave it there, apologise to the OP for a bit of a hijack by default and hope everyone has a good New Years Eve.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 30, 2007 19:43:41 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me?
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 30, 2007 20:55:19 GMT -5
I see that far less harmful than drowning my sorrows in alcohol. and in the words of Dave Chappelle "hey, hey , hey... smoke weed everyday" That was Dr. Dre that said that before Chapelle Nope, that would be Nate Dogg. And that "pot smoking idiot" has more fans than the average one, so more power to him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 20:59:22 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me? who?
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Dec 30, 2007 21:03:29 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me? Edge?
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 30, 2007 21:32:47 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me? Edge? Edge with a ponytail? Haven't seen that in a while. Way to switch up from those bland tights he had too.
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Post by thesam07 on Dec 30, 2007 22:53:56 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me? Bob Holly?
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Post by Jon The Joker on Dec 30, 2007 23:04:38 GMT -5
Hey guys... Remember me? Don't tell me John Cena, but seriously guys *snap, snap* back on track mkay
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Post by Xander Xplosion on Dec 31, 2007 0:19:45 GMT -5
[/quote]While for you it is a matter of drugs are good vs i must be an idiot for thinking doing and promoting something illegal is wrong?[/quote]
No sir, you're an idiot for not realizing there's worse things in this world than people smoking pot. How much time have you dedicated out of your life, just TYPING about how RVD being a pothead is despicable, now think of the crap you could have been doing. Besides, you bitching about it is only getting it into more peoples' heads. Hell, I smoke a lot, does that make me, a random poster, on a random board that you do not know, an idiot. If so, that is very small, and narrow minded of you, and I actually feel sorry for how sheltered you must have been as a child.
Now that pipe is calling my name, damn you for promoting marijuana (through constantly bitching about it) you terrible, terrible human being.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 31, 2007 10:42:18 GMT -5
anyway, well done on meeting RVD.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 31, 2007 12:11:28 GMT -5
[quote author=legion board=WWE thread=1198970342 Is gambling immoral if I play an illegal poker game in my living room instead of flying to Las Vegas and playing there? Hang on, it's illegal to hold a poker game in your living room? Uh-oh. I guess that makes me an immoral person too.
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Post by Jon The Joker on Dec 31, 2007 14:07:16 GMT -5
This thread as officially went off track.
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Post by Nick Loves Dr. Pepper on Dec 31, 2007 14:19:25 GMT -5
Does anyone see the ad at the top for addiction treatment that says tell marijuana to go to hell?
Marijuana Addiction Guide Tell Marijuana To Go To Hell Straight Talking, No Nonsense Help Treatment-For-Addiction.info
This is what I mean
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