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Post by paragon on Sept 26, 2007 21:56:03 GMT -5
At this point, it's pretty accurate to just that everything is a ripoff of everything else and be done with it.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Sept 26, 2007 22:54:52 GMT -5
ROH Did It! [/southpark]
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Post by Johnny on Sept 26, 2007 23:00:35 GMT -5
I wish the world really would end.
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Post by KLRA on Sept 27, 2007 0:22:00 GMT -5
You know, if it is a "ripoff" I couldn't honestly care. Why? Because wrestling companies have been ripping each other off since the beginning. Hell, to use an example outside of wrestling, a lot of people say that Pantera is a Megadeath rip off, but both are equally as good.
Hell, the best WWE ever got was when they started allowing Heyman's ideas to bleed slightly into the show, and then warped them into their own.
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Post by Crazy Larry on Sept 27, 2007 1:20:13 GMT -5
I will do the same thing I did for 161... PWI 2007 Top 500 #222. Jake Gymini
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Post by Bobeddy on Sept 27, 2007 7:22:21 GMT -5
Everything is a rip off of something else. Sure a fax machine is nothing but a waffle-iron with a phone attached!
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Post by blackstussyshirt on Sept 27, 2007 7:57:50 GMT -5
With SAVE_US222, We've got a mysterious message with embedded computer code providing what could be clues, and people online taking the ball and running with it speculating it could be Chris Jericho (almost to the point that it's blatantly ruining whatever surprise Y2J's return could be). And now we've got what could be a real or fake site called saveus222.com. So I'll be the first to broach the subject: is WWE ripping off P161 and Age Of The Fall with this? Now let me preface this by giving my opinion on the whole thing: I like what the gimmick is bringing to the table, if it brings Jericho back, I'm all for it, and it's got people talking. But the timing of this, and the methods they're using to spread the words, really make me believe that they're using the playbook that ROH used for the Age Of The Fall. Now, it's early, this thing could take any number of twists and turns, but it seems like it could be following the path that Project 161 took. No. In fact, I doubt Vince knows a damn thing about that Indy fed side show.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Sept 27, 2007 8:00:44 GMT -5
With SAVE_US222, We've got a mysterious message with embedded computer code providing what could be clues, and people online taking the ball and running with it speculating it could be Chris Jericho (almost to the point that it's blatantly ruining whatever surprise Y2J's return could be). And now we've got what could be a real or fake site called saveus222.com. So I'll be the first to broach the subject: is WWE ripping off P161 and Age Of The Fall with this? Now let me preface this by giving my opinion on the whole thing: I like what the gimmick is bringing to the table, if it brings Jericho back, I'm all for it, and it's got people talking. But the timing of this, and the methods they're using to spread the words, really make me believe that they're using the playbook that ROH used for the Age Of The Fall. Now, it's early, this thing could take any number of twists and turns, but it seems like it could be following the path that Project 161 took. No. In fact, I doubt Vince knows a damn thing about that Indy fed side show. Maybe so, but it's noted that some of his writers follow RoH, and it's probably come from one of them. Wait... why am I discussing this with you? You just come to this part of the board to point your hate cannon at indy wrestling, don't you? You are that guy, aren't you?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 27, 2007 8:06:24 GMT -5
No. In fact, I doubt Vince knows a damn thing about that Indy fed side show. Maybe so, but it's noted that some of his writers follow RoH, and it's probably come from one of them. Wait... why am I discussing this with you? You just come to this part of the board to point your hate cannon at indy wrestling, don't you? You are that guy, aren't you? I wish I had a hate cannon. It'd shoot milk n cheese. That wedge o' hate and carton o' spite
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 27, 2007 8:42:34 GMT -5
Maybe so, but it's noted that some of his writers follow RoH, and it's probably come from one of them. Wait... why am I discussing this with you? You just come to this part of the board to point your hate cannon at indy wrestling, don't you? You are that guy, aren't you? I wish I had a hate cannon. It'd shoot milk n cheese. That wedge o' hate and carton o' spite
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 27, 2007 8:52:57 GMT -5
With SAVE_US222, We've got a mysterious message with embedded computer code providing what could be clues, and people online taking the ball and running with it speculating it could be Chris Jericho (almost to the point that it's blatantly ruining whatever surprise Y2J's return could be). And now we've got what could be a real or fake site called saveus222.com. So I'll be the first to broach the subject: is WWE ripping off P161 and Age Of The Fall with this? Now let me preface this by giving my opinion on the whole thing: I like what the gimmick is bringing to the table, if it brings Jericho back, I'm all for it, and it's got people talking. But the timing of this, and the methods they're using to spread the words, really make me believe that they're using the playbook that ROH used for the Age Of The Fall. Now, it's early, this thing could take any number of twists and turns, but it seems like it could be following the path that Project 161 took. No. In fact, I doubt Vince knows a damn thing about that Indy fed side show. that is just because you have way to much faith in daddy vince.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 27, 2007 8:55:44 GMT -5
Since we have no idea what the hell SAVE_US.222 is as of yet and no evidence that it's going to pose a storyline threat to any of the WWE brands, no.
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 27, 2007 9:04:16 GMT -5
as far as my thoughts on this go, i think 222 was inspired by 161. you can sit there and say the wwe doesn't care or pay attention to roh but you would be wrong. i think the wwe saw roh run cryptic messages that were not associated with their show and realized it got big interest. wwe is trying something similar. that is my opinion.
frankly i am happy the wwe is doing it because they would borrow some roh idea eventually why not have it be an enjoyable one.
i don't know if i would call 222 a rip off, but i still think 161 was somewhat of an inspiration to how they are approaching hyping this.
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Post by jamofpearls on Sept 27, 2007 9:11:10 GMT -5
It looks like saveus222.com is probably fake. I did a look up on it, and got this... Registrant: Christian Wattengard Ingeborg Ofstads vei 51 Tiller, ST 7091 Norway
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: SAVEUS222.COM Created on: 25-Sep-07 Expires on: 25-Sep-08 Last Updated on: 26-Sep-07
Administrative Contact: Wattengard, Christian cwattengard@gmail.com Ingeborg Ofstads vei 51 Tiller, ST 7091 Norway 40874762
Technical Contact: Wattengard, Christian cwattengard@gmail.com Ingeborg Ofstads vei 51 Tiller, ST 7091 Norway 40874762
Domain servers in listed order: NS1.DREAMHOST.COM NS2.DREAMHOST.COM NS3.DREAMHOST.COM
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 27, 2007 9:14:21 GMT -5
yeah no way is the site real. if wwe wanted to make a cryptic webpage a la 161, they could have made an awesome one.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Sept 27, 2007 9:15:26 GMT -5
My thoughts are this, we know that a writer for the WWE suggested an angle based off the viral marketing campaign for NIN's new album a while back. I'm guessing that Gerwitz (who is a confirmed ROH fan) saw the 161 angle, remembered the suggestion of the former writer, and somehow combined the two concepts.
So it's not ripping off, but not completely original either. But then again what is these days.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 27, 2007 9:24:07 GMT -5
My thoughts are this, we know that a writer for the WWE suggested an angle based off the viral marketing campaign for NIN's new album a while back. I'm guessing that Gerwitz (who is a confirmed ROH fan) saw the 161 angle, remembered the suggestion of the former writer, and somehow combined the two concepts. So it's not ripping off, but not completely original either. But then again what is these days. That works for me.
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Sept 27, 2007 9:27:37 GMT -5
To be fair, this underground net promotion gimmick got used by the NWA well before 161 pulled it. All those challenge videos from Danielson and Pearce and everything.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 27, 2007 10:20:09 GMT -5
To be fair, this underground net promotion gimmick got used by the NWA well before 161 pulled it. All those challenge videos from Danielson and Pearce and everything. Project 161 wasn't the first time ROH used the internet for an angle (see: Chris Hero)
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Post by Ratings on Sept 27, 2007 10:59:48 GMT -5
No.
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