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Post by Ace Diamond on Oct 8, 2007 1:59:05 GMT -5
Something good the WWE has done: Not put a title belt on PacMan Jones, David Arquette, Judy Bagwell, or other nonwrestlers.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 8, 2007 2:01:47 GMT -5
Uh.. Vince McMahon?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2007 2:05:15 GMT -5
At least Vince has had decent matches before, such as in the cage with Austin at St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and had a feud that defined a generation of programming. Try again.
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Post by comahan on Oct 8, 2007 2:05:36 GMT -5
Something good the WWE has done: Not put a title belt on PacMan Jones, David Arquette, Judy Bagwell, or other nonwrestlers. Well.. I dont consider Hornswoggle a wrestler as he does no real wrestling. Albeit, that belt has far fewer good options for champion than the TNA Tag titles do, so a comedy angle isnt the worst thing to ever happen. Best thing about the Pacman situation is hes pretty much guaranteed to be gone within a month!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2007 2:09:40 GMT -5
Something good the WWE has done: Not put a title belt on PacMan Jones, David Arquette, Judy Bagwell, or other nonwrestlers. Well.. I dont consider Hornswoggle a wrestler as he does no real wrestling. Albeit, that belt has far fewer good options for champion than the TNA Tag titles do, so a comedy angle isnt the worst thing to ever happen. Best thing about the Pacman situation is hes pretty much guaranteed to be gone within a month! Yeah, I regret Hornswoggle, but Helms and Chavo had been unable to get the belt over. Why the hell Yang STILL hasn't held it, who knows?
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Post by Bret Hart Rules on Oct 8, 2007 2:34:11 GMT -5
At least Vince has had decent matches before, such as in the cage with Austin at St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and had a feud that defined a generation of programming. Try again. Not only that but he's been around wrestling all his life and therefore makes a ton more sense than David Arquette and the rest. Besides, the matches where he won any titles were basically him getting beat around loads then someone doing the work for him (Austin stunning HHH for the WWF title and Umaga killing Lashley for the ECW title).
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2007 2:35:07 GMT -5
At least Vince has had decent matches before, such as in the cage with Austin at St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and had a feud that defined a generation of programming. Try again. Not only that but he's been around wrestling all his life and therefore makes a ton more sense than David Arquette and the rest. Besides, the matches where he won any titles were basically him getting beat around loads then someone doing the work for him (Austin stunning HHH for the WWF title and Umaga killing Lashley for the ECW title). Yeah. In both cases it was treated as a huge humiliation.
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Post by comahan on Oct 8, 2007 2:44:36 GMT -5
well to be fair, wasnt arquette speared thru a cage? i mean, thats not exactly pinning a champ. and pacman/killings got the title after sting was taken out by angle, so someone did all the work for them too. i mean, i marked when vince won the ecw title and enjoyed some of the hornswoggle comedy bits, so im not like, trying to trash anything, just adding a different argument to the conversation ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2007 3:25:22 GMT -5
well to be fair, wasnt arquette speared thru a cage? i mean, thats not exactly pinning a champ. and pacman/killings got the title after sting was taken out by angle, so someone did all the work for them too. i mean, i marked when vince won the ecw title and enjoyed some of the hornswoggle comedy bits, so im not like, trying to trash anything, just adding a different argument to the conversation ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Russo was the one speared through the cage.
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Post by comahan on Oct 8, 2007 3:29:08 GMT -5
well to be fair, wasnt arquette speared thru a cage? i mean, thats not exactly pinning a champ. and pacman/killings got the title after sting was taken out by angle, so someone did all the work for them too. i mean, i marked when vince won the ecw title and enjoyed some of the hornswoggle comedy bits, so im not like, trying to trash anything, just adding a different argument to the conversation ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Russo was the one speared through the cage. Yea, youre right. I knew that too. I feel dumb, oh well. Essentially the same thing though, I guess, neither are wrestlers, neither should hold titles.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2007 3:46:31 GMT -5
Russo was the one speared through the cage. Yea, youre right. I knew that too. I feel dumb, oh well. Essentially the same thing though, I guess, neither are wrestlers, neither should hold titles. Naw, don't feel dumb. I barely remembered it. Only reason I knew was because I remember Arquette's was under different circumstances.
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Post by dpg on Oct 8, 2007 7:05:04 GMT -5
I've just read the results of no mercy. Now, Angle may have wrestled 3 matches at the last PPV, but he put over Lethal quite well and lost clean, lost the tag titles, then barely beat Abyss. HHH beat one main event heel clean, then another clean, then just lost to the first heel a second time. In no way are these two comparable.
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Post by poi zen rana on Oct 8, 2007 8:20:37 GMT -5
Not only that but he's been around wrestling all his life and therefore makes a ton more sense than David Arquette and the rest. Besides, the matches where he won any titles were basically him getting beat around loads then someone doing the work for him (Austin stunning HHH for the WWF title and Umaga killing Lashley for the ECW title). Yeah. In both cases it was treated as a huge humiliation. well vince may not have taken people out to win the title but neither did russo or arquette. vince has spent twice as much time as world champ, as russo and arquette combined and DOUBLED. just wanted to point that out. oh wait one other point i think people forget, when pacman is in a match, he may not be able to wrestle but 3 out of four people are. so at least when he has a match the other three can wrestle and make up for it.
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Oct 8, 2007 8:28:14 GMT -5
Oh, I thought you meant giving us John Cena.
That was a pretty bad PPV though.
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Post by AmericanDragon420 on Oct 8, 2007 8:46:37 GMT -5
why is jadakiss as hard as it gets Why is the industry designed to keep the artist in debt? The PPV was a total rip off. I was under the impression that we would get MVP/Hardy vs. Kane and Undertaker, and then Undertaker wasn't even on the show. Punk gets one of the biggest pops of his WWE career (in his hometown) and gets stuck with a bullcrap 2 minute match that had a non-logical finish. Why would Striker get Vis DQed when he wasn't in any danger of losing at that point? Rey and Finlay are two of the top workers in WWE right now, their match should have been a great 15-20 minute clinic...instead it became a 7 minute match with a non-finish, right after Punk and Viscera's non-finish. The main event was great, the opener was okay, the Punjabi match was way better than I expected, other than that, the show was garbage and a total waste of $40 being that the four main drawing points for me (Taker/Kane vs. Hardy/MVP, Punk/BDV, Rey/Finlay, and JERICHO) either didn't happen or barely happened. The sad thing is I've only missed 2 PPV's all year and I still end up with this same feeling following each one other than Backlash, WM, and the Rumble. Maybe I should quit giving Vince the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by hutter on Oct 8, 2007 9:03:17 GMT -5
I hate the WWE product for one reason above all others - their refusal to give fans of wrestling bears what we want. By all rights, Kiki the wrestling bear (with her manager/handler Gary Busey) should have won the vacated WWE belt. Damned McMahon's.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 8, 2007 9:08:14 GMT -5
Yea, youre right. I knew that too. I feel dumb, oh well. Essentially the same thing though, I guess, neither are wrestlers, neither should hold titles. Naw, don't feel dumb. I barely remembered it. Only reason I knew was because I remember Arquette's was under different circumstances. Arquette's came in a tag match. And he pinned a non-wrestler, Eric Bischoff.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 8, 2007 16:27:01 GMT -5
why is jadakiss as hard as it gets Why is the industry designed to keep the artist in debt? The PPV was a total rip off. I was under the impression that we would get MVP/Hardy vs. Kane and Undertaker, and then Undertaker wasn't even on the show. Punk gets one of the biggest pops of his WWE career (in his hometown) and gets stuck with a bullcrap 2 minute match that had a non-logical finish. Why would Striker get Vis DQed when he wasn't in any danger of losing at that point? Rey and Finlay are two of the top workers in WWE right now, their match should have been a great 15-20 minute clinic...instead it became a 7 minute match with a non-finish, right after Punk and Viscera's non-finish. The main event was great, the opener was okay, the Punjabi match was way better than I expected, other than that, the show was garbage and a total waste of $40 being that the four main drawing points for me (Taker/Kane vs. Hardy/MVP, Punk/BDV, Rey/Finlay, and JERICHO) either didn't happen or barely happened. The sad thing is I've only missed 2 PPV's all year and I still end up with this same feeling following each one other than Backlash, WM, and the Rumble. Maybe I should quit giving Vince the benefit of the doubt. He lost that with me a LONG time ago. In a way, I have to agree with the original post. When I sit down and watch the wrestling I actually enjoy, I realize how much more I appreciate it due to the fact that the cheaper, more readily available alternatives come off as so lackluster most of the time. It's a matter of opinion, obviously.
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