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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 20, 2007 0:45:47 GMT -5
it was about the crowd until a comment about tna itself trying to be like old school ecw led me to sidetrack for a moment.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 20, 2007 1:01:24 GMT -5
They called themself the new face of professional wrestling. What did ECW do for the business? I rest. My case. And talk. Like a-this. so because they try to shake up the stagnant wrestling scene they are old school ecw rip offs. interesting theory. There's a difference. ECW actually did that. TNA just put on WWE-lite.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 20, 2007 1:15:29 GMT -5
so because they try to shake up the stagnant wrestling scene they are old school ecw rip offs. interesting theory. There's a difference. ECW actually did that. TNA just put on WWE-lite. i suppose that is one way of looking at it. i actually prefer to think of wwe as wrestling-lite.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Nov 20, 2007 2:57:13 GMT -5
There's a difference. ECW actually did that. TNA just put on WWE-lite. i suppose that is one way of looking at it. i actually prefer to think of wwe as wrestling-lite. So basically by my theory TNA is wrestling double-lite. And you have to admit that ESPECIALLY before getting two hours all TNA was doing was trying to cater to the WWE crowd and failing at it epically.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Nov 20, 2007 4:43:56 GMT -5
I don't care about the crowd, I just care about the building. Watching these PPVs that have taken place in other cities, when you actually see more arena seating behind the handful of rows at ringside... that adds ALOT to the feel of the show. Impact just always has that "WCW Pro Wrestling" feel to its crowd. Or maybe it was WCW Saturday Night, for a while... whichever one was filmed in front of about 50 people and the ring rotated.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2007 8:54:45 GMT -5
i'm confused if this is about the TNA crowd... or TNA itself. The the magic of the boards. No thread is about the same thing five pages after it starts. Oh, and TNA isn't wrestling-lite. It's WWE-lite. At least, that's the usual accusation.
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 20, 2007 9:03:16 GMT -5
i'm confused if this is about the TNA crowd... or TNA itself. The the magic of the boards. No thread is about the same thing five pages after it starts. Oh, and TNA isn't wrestling-lite. It's WWE-lite. At least, that's the usual accusation. WWE-Lite, I thought it was WCW 2.0 or is it ECW the later years?
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 20, 2007 9:40:25 GMT -5
The the magic of the boards. No thread is about the same thing five pages after it starts. Oh, and TNA isn't wrestling-lite. It's WWE-lite. At least, that's the usual accusation. WWE-Lite, I thought it was WCW 2.0 or is it ECW the later years? whichever is most derogatory at the moment.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2007 10:46:55 GMT -5
The the magic of the boards. No thread is about the same thing five pages after it starts. Oh, and TNA isn't wrestling-lite. It's WWE-lite. At least, that's the usual accusation. WWE-Lite, I thought it was WCW 2.0 or is it ECW the later years? Meh, it changes every other month. I currently have no moniker to attach to them.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 20, 2007 10:55:04 GMT -5
I don't care about the crowd, I just care about the building. Watching these PPVs that have taken place in other cities, when you actually see more arena seating behind the handful of rows at ringside... that adds ALOT to the feel of the show. Impact just always has that "WCW Pro Wrestling" feel to its crowd. Or maybe it was WCW Saturday Night, for a while... whichever one was filmed in front of about 50 people and the ring rotated. It was the Pro and Worldwide that had those small studios, but at least WCW didn't run PPV's from that venue. A 1 hour weekend show is fine, as they had Saturday Night and Monday Nitro in the bigger venues to fall back on.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Nov 20, 2007 10:57:35 GMT -5
Worldwide! Yes, thank you, that's the one I was trying to remember.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 20, 2007 11:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by Error on Nov 20, 2007 13:46:41 GMT -5
No, TNA is on soundstage 21 (which hosted RollerJam and several Nickelodeon shows). WCW Worldwide took place on soundstage 24.
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Post by comahan on Nov 20, 2007 13:54:41 GMT -5
RollerJam was AWESOME~!
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Post by threev on Nov 20, 2007 14:12:23 GMT -5
You can have a hundred and thirty five theme parks if it makes you happy. But I don't see why it would. It is an environment for children after all. That's funny, with all of the nightclubs on Universal and Disney property that are 18 or 21 and up. Also all of the thrill rides that children can't even ride. Definitely the type of environment just for children. I don't believe you that Orlando has that many places for adult entertainment as compared to virtually anywhere. Even like Mississippi and stuff. Florida sucks. Florida is an dirty, rusty state. Orlando is a part of a dirty, rusty environment with a shallow social fabric. Money is not everything, especially when it's primarily derivative of the tourism business. It also rains all of the time. I would rather live in Montana than Orlando, or Hartford. There are many places I'd rather live, even within Florida than Orlando. I'm sorry man, Orlando is not Charlotte. It is not the bustling young south. It is 60 years old in infrastructure and mightily riddled with property crime. Orlando and Hartford suck, but like every city (including, hey, Buffalo, or hey, Pittsburgh, or hey, Detroit, or hey, Cleveland), people have the right to enjoy it there, and you are certainly welcome to. Just don't try and be smarmy when comparing places. There are a lot of things that Northern Rustbelt cities offer that places like Orlando or Atlanta or Miami don't. The first is a bit of modesty, but that's just the start of it. Or the fact that in most of the rust belt cities, there are more than Orlando's 200,000 people, and yet amazingly, 1 out of every 15 or so don't report a theft in a year, and 1 out of 20 don't report being assaulted. Or the fact that people in Orlando make, on average, about 20 grand less a year than the rest of the state. I'm sure that's just a result of all the drunken belligerence from Orlando's oodles of night clubs and adult themed amusement rides, though.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 20, 2007 14:15:45 GMT -5
That's funny, with all of the nightclubs on Universal and Disney property that are 18 or 21 and up. Also all of the thrill rides that children can't even ride. Definitely the type of environment just for children. I don't believe you that Orlando has that many places for adult entertainment as compared to virtually anywhere. Even like Mississippi and stuff. Florida sucks. Florida is an dirty, rusty state. Orlando is a part of a dirty, rusty environment with a shallow social fabric. Money is not everything, especially when it's primarily derivative of the tourism business. It also rains all of the time. I would rather live in Montana than Orlando, or Hartford. There are many places I'd rather live, even within Florida than Orlando. I'm sorry man, Orlando is not Charlotte. It is not the bustling young south. It is 60 years old in infrastructure and mightily riddled with property crime. Orlando and Hartford suck, but like every city (including, hey, Buffalo, or hey, Pittsburgh, or hey, Detroit, or hey, Cleveland), people have the right to enjoy it there, and you are certainly welcome to. Just don't try and be smarmy when comparing places. There are a lot of things that Northern Rustbelt cities offer that places like Orlando or Atlanta or Miami don't. The first is a bit of modesty, but that's just the start of it. Or the fact that in most of the rust belt cities, there are more than Orlando's 200,000 people, and yet amazingly, 1 out of every 15 or so don't report a theft in a year, and 1 out of 20 don't report being assaulted. Or the fact that people in Orlando make, on average, about 20 grand less a year than the rest of the state. I'm sure that's just a result of all the drunken belligerence from Orlando's oodles of night clubs and adult themed amusement rides, though. Okay seriously, just let it go now. I live here and tell you that you're wrong several times and now your response is to "not believe me." The real downtown area of Orlando has nothing but night clubs. So many that they're closing and reopening at a ridiculous rate. But why should I bother presenting facts when you just "won't believe me." As for being smarmy, you were the one who started the hate for absolutely no reason with statements that were completely false.
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Post by chiefdom on Nov 20, 2007 14:30:31 GMT -5
For me the top 3...: 3) I'm a gimmick match mark. And I think I am cause I didnt see alot of them in the other promotion i watched. TNA uses so many gimmick matches, that they arent as shocking when they happen. I mean, they have an entire PPV dedicated to cage matches. And then they use some of the strangest gimmicks I've ever seen in their matches(electified cage...reverse battle royal...)
2) Their insistance on not pushing some of their younger home-grown guys. Most of the people at top are either A) people who have been in the business virtually forever(VKM, Dudleys, Sting...) and/or are those that were WWE (VKM, Dudleys, Cage, Angle, booker). This is getting better, but here's the last 9 champions for TNA... Jeff Jarrett (never view him more than a mid carder and way past his prime) Christian Cage (ex-wwe guy that had been with the company around 3 months) Jeff Jarrett again (see above) Sting (another older guy past his prime) Abyss (This i was ok with, but 1 in the midst of many, lasted 2 months) Christian Cage(see above) Kurt Angle (Ex-wwe guy that got the title after around 6 months of being on the show) Sting (see above) Kurt angle (see above)
I'm not saying these guys are/arent deserving, i even like most of these guys... but what about Joe(he's YET to have a title run) or even AJ Styles? The big names in your company that have been there since the beginning? I know TNA is trying to make a name for themselves, but I would think a mixture of old and new would be good.
#1) The x-division is the reason i started watching TNA(they even have 2 DVDs dedicated to these type matches). To me, that was what TNA embodied, the spectacular X-Division matches. Mid 2005 - 2006 it was THE reason to watch the show. They have more and more pulled away from the x-division matches and storylines(yes they are still there, but not NEAR as pominent as I would like). Then the one man all titles match all but killed it for me.
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Post by comahan on Nov 20, 2007 14:37:01 GMT -5
Just a random point out, Angle was with TNA for 8 months before winning the title.
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Post by threev on Nov 20, 2007 14:38:07 GMT -5
I don't believe you that Orlando has that many places for adult entertainment as compared to virtually anywhere. Even like Mississippi and stuff. Florida sucks. Florida is an dirty, rusty state. Orlando is a part of a dirty, rusty environment with a shallow social fabric. Money is not everything, especially when it's primarily derivative of the tourism business. It also rains all of the time. I would rather live in Montana than Orlando, or Hartford. There are many places I'd rather live, even within Florida than Orlando. I'm sorry man, Orlando is not Charlotte. It is not the bustling young south. It is 60 years old in infrastructure and mightily riddled with property crime. Orlando and Hartford suck, but like every city (including, hey, Buffalo, or hey, Pittsburgh, or hey, Detroit, or hey, Cleveland), people have the right to enjoy it there, and you are certainly welcome to. Just don't try and be smarmy when comparing places. There are a lot of things that Northern Rustbelt cities offer that places like Orlando or Atlanta or Miami don't. The first is a bit of modesty, but that's just the start of it. Or the fact that in most of the rust belt cities, there are more than Orlando's 200,000 people, and yet amazingly, 1 out of every 15 or so don't report a theft in a year, and 1 out of 20 don't report being assaulted. Or the fact that people in Orlando make, on average, about 20 grand less a year than the rest of the state. I'm sure that's just a result of all the drunken belligerence from Orlando's oodles of night clubs and adult themed amusement rides, though. Okay seriously, just let it go now. I live here and tell you that you're wrong several times and now your response is to "not believe me." The real downtown area of Orlando has nothing but night clubs. So many that they're closing and reopening at a ridiculous rate. But why should I bother presenting facts when you just "won't believe me." As for being smarmy, you were the one who started the hate for absolutely no reason with statements that were completely false. Not really, for the record I responded to something that wasn't posted by you and never addressed you until you felt the need to disagree with me about my opinion on Orlando, which I am apparently not allowed to have. You living in Orlando and not thinking it sucks doesn't make a difference to my opinion, nor should mine make a difference to you. What should be dropped is the attitude mutually (you, me). I dislike the south. I dislike some cities, Orlando and Atlanta in particular. I much prefer the North. You don't, I get it. I disagree.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 20, 2007 14:40:38 GMT -5
Okay seriously, just let it go now. I live here and tell you that you're wrong several times and now your response is to "not believe me." The real downtown area of Orlando has nothing but night clubs. So many that they're closing and reopening at a ridiculous rate. But why should I bother presenting facts when you just "won't believe me." As for being smarmy, you were the one who started the hate for absolutely no reason with statements that were completely false. Not really, for the record I responded to something that wasn't posted by you and never addressed you until you felt the need to disagree with me about my opinion on Orlando, which I am apparently not allowed you have. You living in Orlando and not thinking it sucks doesn't make a difference to my opinion, nor should mine make a difference to you. I never said anything about Orlando "sucking" or not. You've made statements about the number of theme parks and how Orlando is "only for kids" and I proved you wrong both times. I'm done with this now, but seriously, let your hate of Orlando go. It's not healthy at all.
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