Alvarez talks about TNA's wonky work/shoot stuff

[Mecca]

*SPOILERS BELOW*

Consider these questions. What was the point of Traci pretending to faint if it led to nothing except eventual distrust for management among the workers? What was the point of Joe burying Nash at all if he was going to tag with him later? What was the point of any sort of "backstage confrontation" if it's leading to Nash and Joe remaining a team on Impact and 99% of the crowd doesn’t even know what happened? And if it does lead to a Nash vs. Joe feud, which I expect, you still have 99% of the fans that don't know the back story and can't know unless the announcers start talking about "shoot promos" again, which nobody gives a smurf about or believes in 2007. (The lack of interest in Joe's promo, nearly complete silence outside the Torch reports, was something at least I found unsurprising, but I'd suspect Russo was baffled.) Here's a better one. Senshi got a briefcase at the PPV that, in storyline, could have contained a pink slip. He quit the next day. Instead of saying he was the guy with the pink slip, in his last set of tapings he lost the briefcase to Chris Daniels. Why? Because he was supposed to win the tag title shot and they had plans to fake fire someone else. So instead of changing plans and having Senshi be the fired wrestler, which would at the very least convince the fans that your stipulations are to be taken seriously, they are going a different direction and will be doing a fake firing with someone else instead.

Welcome to WCW.

[Agent P]

Traci pretended to faint?

[Mecca]

krazyeman said:

Traci pretended to faint?

It's in that thread a bit down, it's titled something about Tracy's fall was a work.

[comahan]

Again, all he's doing is assuming the worst in every situation to fit his arguments. His rants are old and tired.

[Mecca]

I mean no offense to being a TNA fan but that's basically right on the money....this kinda stuff killed WCW, no one cares about worked shoots.

[Ace Diamond]

comahan said:

Again, all he's doing is assuming the worst in every situation to fit his arguments. His rants are old and tired.

Still he's right about the Joe/Nash thing. They're still teaming together despite that rundown

[comahan]

aodpilot said:

comahan said:

Again, all he's doing is assuming the worst in every situation to fit his arguments. His rants are old and tired.

Still he's right about the Joe/Nash thing. They're still teaming together despite that rundown

Which can easily be taken care of with a 15 second backstage segment. And the spoilers would never have known because those dont air during the live show.

My point is, at least wait for it to actually happen before you throw a fit about it (Im talking about Alvarez). Let storylines play out before you call everything they do stupid (which, in his case won't matter, because by all previous accounts and his obvious mis-information on some subjects, he hardly bothers to watch anyway).

[Timmy8271]

comahan said:

aodpilot said:

Still he's right about the Joe/Nash thing. They're still teaming together despite that rundown

Which can easily be taken care of with a 15 second backstage segment. And the spoilers would never have known because those dont air during the live show.

My point is, at least wait for it to actually happen before you throw a fit about it (Im talking about Alvarez). Let storylines play out before you call everything they do stupid (which, in his case won't matter, because by all previous accounts and his obvious mis-information on some subjects, he hardly bothers to watch anyway).

You don't think he and meltzer have people in TNA management that tell him all this stuff? Isn't Cornette one of Meltzer's biggest gossips?

[Agent P]

timmy8271 said:

comahan said:

Which can easily be taken care of with a 15 second backstage segment. And the spoilers would never have known because those dont air during the live show.

My point is, at least wait for it to actually happen before you throw a fit about it (Im talking about Alvarez). Let storylines play out before you call everything they do stupid (which, in his case won't matter, because by all previous accounts and his obvious mis-information on some subjects, he hardly bothers to watch anyway).

You don't think he and meltzer have people in TNA management that tell him all this stuff? Isn't Cornette one of Meltzer's biggest gossips?

You are correct, but his point is that Alvarez never bothers to let the show air and see the full story of what happens before he starts ripping on it.

[poi zen rana]

alvarez never ceases to amaze me. so let's review what i learned from alvarez today:

if joe doesn't attack nash = STUPID.
if joe attacks nash= STUPID.
if someone you were trying to give a title shot to leaves, if you don't scrap the whole idea you had for for the other three guys involved in this angle and rewrite it, STUPID.
having someone fake fired in wrestling is dumb and something the old wcw would do which is STUPID.
a girl falling down = STUPID
if you talk crap about someone one week then tag with them a week later you love that person and no feud could ever be happening because you guys semi got along that one night.

i will applaud him for at least sounding like he has seen the show this time.

funniest part has to be when he tries to cut on tna for running an angle where someone gets fired and having the nerve to not make it be the guy who is actually fired. i guess it is just funny to me because he tries to compare it to the old wcw, who i never felt ran with "your fired" angles as much as wwe who has had plenty.

[Michael Coello]

So, apparently, 99% of the fans didn't understand his shoot promo? The promo that consisted of:

-Hall sucks for no showing the PPV.
-Guys like Lethal and the MCMG are great cause they come in and wrestle their heart out as opposed to the guys who come in for a paycheck only.
-He wanted a partner, so he turned to the young guys.
-All the young guys wanted to be in the main event.
-In the end, he chose a guy he trusted, Eric Young.

Either Alvarez is full of crap, or the people really are stupid. I vote the former.

[poi zen rana]

sinister1 said:

So, apparently, 99% of the fans didn't understand his shoot promo? The promo that consisted of:

-Hall sucks for no showing the PPV.
-Guys like Lethal and the MCMG are great cause they come in and wrestle their heart out as opposed to the guys who come in for a paycheck only.
-He wanted a partner, so he turned to the young guys.
-All the young guys wanted to be in the main event.
-In the end, he chose a guy he trusted, Eric Young.

Either Alvarez is full of crap, or the people really are stupid. I vote the former.

alvarez isn't full of crap! after hiding in a broom closet backstage and overhearing the secret plot russo was telling tracey ("go out there, fall, then we won't talk about it again! MUAHAHA WE ARE EVIL TnA!"). alvarez then proceeded to walk door to door asking people if they understood joe's shoot. duh.

[Mecca]

He didn't say fans didn't understand the promo......

A. he said no one buys it but Wade Keller in reference to the wrestling community.

B. As far as the fans his not understanding comment is in relation to him thinking there will be a Joe/Nash feud based on the backstage report, that is what he meant by them not knowing the backstory, unless the announcers get all into that crap.

[AriadosMan]

Why can't they just have Senshi lose a "loser leaves TNA match" and advertise that as "One TNA Superstar WILL get fired today!" Sometimes the simplest storytelling is the best.

[GaTechGrad]

Spoiler warning please... geesh

[Chainsaw]

Alvarez's opinion=NO BUYS!!

[poi zen rana]

mecca said:

He didn't say fans didn't understand the promo......

A. he said no one buys it but Wade Keller in reference to the wrestling community.

B. As far as the fans his not understanding comment is in relation to him thinking there will be a Joe/Nash feud based on the backstage report, that is what he meant by them not knowing the backstory, unless the announcers get all into that crap.

these are problems i have with his "99%" portions of the article.

What was the point of any sort of "backstage confrontation" if it's leading to Nash and Joe remaining a team on Impact and 99% of the crowd doesn’t even know what happened?

then perhaps joe really was semi-shooting on nash, as reports have suggested. in this case why would they rewrite their storylines just because of what joe said? i mean according to alvarez only one percent of people even know what happened, so if that is the case they would have little reason to explain it, don't you think?

you still have 99% of the fans that don't know the back story and can't know unless the announcers start talking about "shoot promos" again

can you explain to me what this means? why would 99% of fans not know what was going on unless announcers start talking about shoots? how does an angle only work if it is billed as a shoot? i believe if they were going on talking about the shoot alvarez would just turn around and complain about them bringing up shoots "which is so wcw". we haven't even seen how this plays out. perhaps they remain teaming with a slow build toward a feud. it could be built off of some of the things that joe had to say about nash. according to avlarez however, that feud could not work because tna is talking all the time about joe shooting.

realfakerazor said:

Why can't they just have Senshi lose a "loser leaves TNA match" and advertise that as "One TNA Superstar WILL get fired today!" Sometimes the simplest storytelling is the best.

probably because they already have a "you're fired" angle planned and throwing in another firing angle would be a bit much.

[toodarkmark]

mecca said:

He didn't say fans didn't understand the promo......

A. he said no one buys it but Wade Keller in reference to the wrestling community.

B. As far as the fans his not understanding comment is in relation to him thinking there will be a Joe/Nash feud based on the backstage report, that is what he meant by them not knowing the backstory, unless the announcers get all into that crap.

A + B No Alvarez was implying 99% of PEOPLE dont know what happened. They might not know that Nash and Joe had a fight in the back, but they saw Joe insult Nash in the middle of the ring and the heat between them during the match, and Nash walking away. That seems pretty self explanatory. He is thinking from a perspective of someone who thinks they know way too much, but really only know as much as any mark who reads spoilers online knows. From everyone I spoke to, the Samoa Joe promo was what saved the night from Scott Hall no showing. And what silence? EVERY website had a ton of coverage about the promo.

And he's angry about them CONTINUING a storyline they had originally planned instead of changing it last minute to fit some turmoil? Isnt that what killed WCW. Senshi may have quit, but he didnt get the planned storyline thing. Constantly changing storylines last minute to save face. TNA decides to stick to the WRITTEN storyline and Alvarez insults them. If they had changed it he would have insulted them for changing last minute and claim it to be WCWish.

And Traci fainting on purpose and not telling anyone, is a rumor. He 'overheard" people talking about it? I "overheard" Jesus Christ is coming back to wrestle for CZW. Must be true!

All in all Alvarez likes to tell stories and have them connect with whatever point he's trying to make, but they only connect with people who are wanting them to happen. If you think TNA sucks, then he's right up your ally. If you enjoy another wrestling promotion on TV not called WWE, and accept that wrestling promotions on TV will ALWAYS have problems and not be perfect, then you will ignore his nit picking rants.

[plushtar]

On the Brooks situation, it sounds like he hates kayfabe. Although TNA is a guilty party for not adding to the Rian & Roode situation.

Alvarez reminds me of assholes like Colbert, Maher, Olbermann, O'Reilly, Grace, Dobbs, etc. Alvarez would probably bitch at TNA if his toilet got clogged.

[hollywood]

I don't know much about the Traci situation, but I gotta agree with him on the Senshi one. It's not often an angle basically throws itself in your lap like that. Saying he was the one with the pink slip would've added credibility to their stipulations. Now, there'll be some wacky storyling involving Daniels while Senshi will just kinda vanish. Their decisions were a bit silly on that one, in my view.