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Post by sunwukong on Jun 26, 2007 2:42:08 GMT -5
I posted this in the other thread before it got locked, but i would like for my question to be answered. This might make me seem like an idiot, but how do the authorities know it was a double murder suicide? I don't really see anyone saying why they determined that. They haven't released the results of their investigation yet, but they HAVE said that all available evidence points to a murder-suicide. They wouldn't make that announcement if they didn't have a reason. They've also said they aren't looking for an outside murderer, meaning it was someone in the house.
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Post by Jock Ass on Jun 26, 2007 2:42:11 GMT -5
Look, I don't know Chris Benoit, I am no cop or anything, but guys, accept it, he killed his wife and son, that's all!! I mean, WWE.com says it was a double murder/suicide deal, and they wouldn't post that if they weren't sure at 99.999999% it was th ecase. Remember, the investigator told them things that they could not report, these things probably confirms the theoriy, which is why they annonce it as a fact on their main page! Sorry, but I cannot accept what is being presented until I am presented with FACT. We can all SPECULATE as to what MIGHT HAVE taken place; but at the same time I was not there, so I have no official "stance" on this situation. Three people are dead (a husband and father; a wife and mother; and a young child). Let's not spit on their graves until we find out what really did happen (if/when we ever do get some finality in this tragic event).
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Post by Raja Lion on Jun 26, 2007 2:42:13 GMT -5
The fact that the investigators are even coming out AT ALL with it being murder/suicide and Benoit is the culprit almost 99% assuredly points to that being the outcome.
I am a member of the legal community and I deal with criminal law mainly, a higher profile case, something of this sort of magnitude there is no way in hell a spokesperson would say that was the case if they werent sure.
WWE's statement says they know more but can't divulge it yet. The whole story will be out quickly, within the week.
I knew fairly early on in reading the early reports that something was right, they stated they'd have the autopsies done tomorrow which if they were poisoned or thought to be (with the Benoit phone call) there'd be no way they'd get three full toxicology reports done in 24 hours. They took almost 2 weeks on Anna Nicole Smith alone. They can also tell how long someone has been dead, which is why it was easy to say that Nancy and the child were dead before Chris.
I can't say I've ever been as stunned as I am by this, Eddie was really shocking too but it was pretty apparent what happened there. This is just unreal. You can't make this kind of stuff up it's so bizarre and sad.
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Post by renzino on Jun 26, 2007 2:42:29 GMT -5
Alright I have read through 60 pages and I still can't believe what has happened and after watching most of Raw I cried for a few minutes. I have liked Chris Beniot since I first saw him WCW in 1993 and he was one of the best examples of how great wrestling could be and he has given me countless memories and I have always been a fan Nancy's Woman character she was a great heel manager / valet. Both of them will be missed and I am very sad to hear that their son Daniel is gone too. I really want to remember Chris as a hero and legend and I really hope he didn't do what the reports say he did, but it looks like that is what happened. I can't judge the man for what he did that is not my place, but at the same time I just don't know what to think right now all I can say in closing is R.I.P. Chris, Nancy and Daniel. This is just beyond horrible.
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Post by gabou142 on Jun 26, 2007 2:42:33 GMT -5
Look, I don't know Chris Benoit, I am no cop or anything, but guys, accept it, he killed his wife and son, that's all!! I mean, WWE.com says it was a double murder/suicide deal, and they wouldn't post that if they weren't sure at 99.999999% it was th ecase. Remember, the investigator told them things that they could not report, these things probably confirms the theoriy, which is why they annonce it as a fact on their main page! Man your parents probably told you not to speak in public when you were a kid. Could you say these things in a more cerebral way like I and many others have if not leave I just don't like the fact that some people are still in denial when it is so clearly the case. Believe me, the last thing WWE wanted was to be associated at any degree with someone who killed his wife and son before commiting suicide. If even they aknowledged that one of their biggest star did it, well, they must be sure as hell that it happened. As I said, there are evidence we don't know about, but that WWE know, adn these probably confirms the murders. Sorry, but logic must sometime be heard. And btw, I feel bad too, i really LIKED Benoit, but I listen to the logic here.
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Post by lethaldosage50 on Jun 26, 2007 2:44:08 GMT -5
I posted this in the other thread before it got locked, but i would like for my question to be answered. This might make me seem like an idiot, but how do the authorities know it was a double murder suicide? I don't really see anyone saying why they determined that. They haven't released the results of their investigation yet, but they HAVE said that all available evidence points to a murder-suicide. They wouldn't make that announcement if they didn't have a reason. They've also said they aren't looking for an outside murderer, meaning it was someone in the house. ok maybe i should have rephrased myself. what evidence is pointing for the authorities to believe that? or is the "wife and kid dead before benoit" statement the only piece of evidence?
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 26, 2007 2:45:48 GMT -5
They haven't released the results of their investigation yet, but they HAVE said that all available evidence points to a murder-suicide. They wouldn't make that announcement if they didn't have a reason. They've also said they aren't looking for an outside murderer, meaning it was someone in the house. ok maybe i should have rephrased myself. what evidence is pointing for the authorities to believe that? or is the "wife and kid dead before benoit" statement the only piece of evidence? They haven't released any of the evidence yet, which is normal. They'll probably have a press conference or release in the next day or two detailing their findings.
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Post by gabou142 on Jun 26, 2007 2:46:20 GMT -5
They haven't released the results of their investigation yet, but they HAVE said that all available evidence points to a murder-suicide. They wouldn't make that announcement if they didn't have a reason. They've also said they aren't looking for an outside murderer, meaning it was someone in the house. ok maybe i should have rephrased myself. what evidence is pointing for the authorities to believe that? or is the "wife and kid dead before benoit" statement the only piece of evidence? Look, we can't know, we weren't on the scene, but i believe that some investigators have seen so many of these kind of scenes that they just know what happened and find clues where we couldn't.
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Post by lethaldosage50 on Jun 26, 2007 2:46:41 GMT -5
ok maybe i should have rephrased myself. what evidence is pointing for the authorities to believe that? or is the "wife and kid dead before benoit" statement the only piece of evidence? They haven't released any of the evidence yet, which is normal. They'll probably have a press conference or release in the next day or two detailing their findings. ohh ok. thanks for helping me out
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Post by freemoney on Jun 26, 2007 2:46:44 GMT -5
Man your parents probably told you not to speak in public when you were a kid. Could you say these things in a more cerebral way like I and many others have if not leave I just don't like the fact that some people are still in denial when it is so clearly the case. Believe me, the last thing WWE wanted was to be associated at any degree with someone who killed his wife and son before commiting suicide. If even they aknowledged that one of their biggest star did it, well, they must be sure as hell that it happened. As I said, there are evidence we don't know about, but that WWE know, adn these probably confirms the murders. Sorry, but logic must sometime be heard. And btw, I feel bad too, i really LIKED Benoit. Yeah and these statements are a result of the fact that someone you liked did something so despicable; I am angry too but some people can't jump like us from Benoit being a hero to him possibly killing his wife and son. Some people need to cope and if you feel the need to speak out about you frustration do it in a way that is respectful to those still coping
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Post by Raja Lion on Jun 26, 2007 2:48:08 GMT -5
They haven't released the results of their investigation yet, but they HAVE said that all available evidence points to a murder-suicide. They wouldn't make that announcement if they didn't have a reason. They've also said they aren't looking for an outside murderer, meaning it was someone in the house. ok maybe i should have rephrased myself. what evidence is pointing for the authorities to believe that? or is the "wife and kid dead before benoit" statement the only piece of evidence? Whats the evidence pointing to any other scenario? - They've found the "weapons" used - A criminal investigator or coroner can tell how long a body has been dead for, its easy to find out that the child and Nancy were dead for longer. - Benoit phoned and said "wife/kid puking blood" - news reports say autopsies will be done TOMORROW. No chance in hell if they were poisoned or even suspected poison or disease that they'd have autopsies done that quickly. Toxicology alone takes a week at least per person. -A spokesperson would not say the words murder/suicide and name a killer without being sure. There is plenty of evidence that is there and we will know about it sooner or later. Its still an investigation.
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Post by richy on Jun 26, 2007 2:48:19 GMT -5
WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday.
That's from WWE.com guys. It's not looking too good if you ask me =\. It seems as if he killed both of them Sat/Sun and didn't know what to do. So he called out of the PPV for a "family emergency", then realized there was no way out of this and committed suicide.
That's honest to God what I've come to the conclusion on from reading everything. And I have read everything, believe me. As much as I don't want to believe it's true, and I have no idea what motive he could've had.. I think Benoit screwed up, bad.. and had no way out.
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Post by freemoney on Jun 26, 2007 2:49:23 GMT -5
WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday. That's from WWE.com guys. It's not looking too good if you ask me =\. It seems as if he killed both of them Sat/Sun and didn't know what to do. So he called out of the PPV for a "family emergency", then realized there was no way out of this and committed suicide. That's honest to God what I've come to the conclusion on from reading everything. And I have read everything, believe me. As much as I don't want to believe it's true, and I have no idea what motive he could've had.. I think Benoit screwed up, bad.. and had no way out. read what I said at the top of the page
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Post by Walter Ego on Jun 26, 2007 2:50:47 GMT -5
Do you think that, maybe, Daniel, in his naivete, killed Nancy?
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Post by gabou142 on Jun 26, 2007 2:51:33 GMT -5
I just don't like the fact that some people are still in denial when it is so clearly the case. Believe me, the last thing WWE wanted was to be associated at any degree with someone who killed his wife and son before commiting suicide. If even they aknowledged that one of their biggest star did it, well, they must be sure as hell that it happened. As I said, there are evidence we don't know about, but that WWE know, adn these probably confirms the murders. Sorry, but logic must sometime be heard. And btw, I feel bad too, i really LIKED Benoit. Yeah and these statements are a result of the fact that someone you liked did something so despicable; I am angry too but some people can't jump like us from Benoit being a hero to him possibly killing his wife and son. Some people need to cope and if you feel the need to speak out about you frustration do it in a way that is respectful to those still coping Look, I am not angry at all. I was shocked when I heard the news, I was even more shocked when I heard it was a double murder/suicide case, but frankly that's all. I'm not angry, I didn't cry, I will not cry, I will sleep well tonight...so no, I don't speak out of anger or with a vengeful spirit. I liked Benoit as a competitor, that's all. It seems he killed his family, well, he dropped in my estime, I sure am disapointed, but that's really all.
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Post by Raja Lion on Jun 26, 2007 2:52:05 GMT -5
freemoney theres nothing wrong with what you're saying but for those of us that do believe the reports theres nothign wrong with that either
dont get bent out of shape by what other people think, the story will come out and either way its a sad and shocking story that puts another black eye on the entire industry to the mainstream
I dont understand the distrust between you and the media really. A lot of times they do get things right.
I also did not read the words "tribute thread" either. We're discussing the situation and what we think and nothing more.
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Post by freemoney on Jun 26, 2007 2:52:49 GMT -5
Yeah and these statements are a result of the fact that someone you liked did something so despicable; I am angry too but some people can't jump like us from Benoit being a hero to him possibly killing his wife and son. Some people need to cope and if you feel the need to speak out about you frustration do it in a way that is respectful to those still coping Look, I am not angry at all. I was shocked when I heard the news, I was even more shocked when I heard it was a double murder/suicide case, but frankly that's all. I'm not angry, I didn't cry, I will not cry, I will sleep well tonight...so no, I don't speak out of anger or with a vengeful spirit. I liked Benoit as a competitor, that's all. It seems he killed his family, well, he dropped in my estime, I sure am disapointed, but that's really all. Fine but I am just saying choose your words more carefully for those truly devastated by this of which on this board there are quite a few
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Post by gabou142 on Jun 26, 2007 2:52:58 GMT -5
Do you think that, maybe, Daniel, in his naivete, killed Nancy? uuuuuhhh...no. If that happened, Benoit would not have killed him!! You don't kill your son, even if he does that kind of mistake...at least where I live!
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Post by gabou142 on Jun 26, 2007 2:53:59 GMT -5
Look, I am not angry at all. I was shocked when I heard the news, I was even more shocked when I heard it was a double murder/suicide case, but frankly that's all. I'm not angry, I didn't cry, I will not cry, I will sleep well tonight...so no, I don't speak out of anger or with a vengeful spirit. I liked Benoit as a competitor, that's all. It seems he killed his family, well, he dropped in my estime, I sure am disapointed, but that's really all. Fine but I am just saying choose your words more carefully for those truly devastated by this of which on this board there are quite a few Well, to be honest with you, I don't see where I said such harsh words, I mean, I didn't swear or insulted the guy at all!
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Post by Walter Ego on Jun 26, 2007 2:54:31 GMT -5
Do you think that, maybe, Daniel, in his naivete, killed Nancy? uuuuuhhh...no. If that happened, Benoit would not have killed him!! You don't kill your son, even if he does that kind of mistake...at least where I live! Oh really? It is not beyond the realms of possibility for a father to put his son out of his misery, knowing that he would have to grow up with the knowledge that he was responsible for the death of his own mother. Weirder things have happened in the world.
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