Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 2, 2008 7:56:29 GMT -5
Ok, I've about had it with the people who have nothing better to do than bitch and moan about Fire Safe Cigarettes, then go and buy them anyway. For those who don't know, the states of Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, and New York have adopted a mandate that all cigarettes must be made fire-safe, in that they eventually go out if people stop puffing on them. This is to cut down on the number of people who immolate themselves through the sheer stupidity of falling asleep before putting out their cigarette. In any event, some of the complaints are hilarious, at least if we were to look at the people who shop in the store that I work at and the people who called the HillMan Morning Show today on WAAF
1. They go out in 30 seconds: I honestly doubt that they go out in 30 seconds if you cease to puff on them, really. The cigarette is designed with bands of slightly different paper that stifles the oxygen if it burns down that far through normal burning instead of people puffing on it. Now say you took a puff that leaves the paper just before one of these speed bumps, of course it'll go out in 30 seconds. But that's not a standard, that's just bad luck.
2. It's going to make cigarettes more expensive: Oh, like the smokers themselves didn't make them expensive already. The prices are in place because of numerous red tape regarding that massive lawsuit lodged against smoking companies by all the states years ago. Furthermore, these new cigarettes are in place because people as far back as the 80s have successfully sued tobacco companies for not implementing fire-safe technology after they passed out while smoking somehow and then burned themselves. So yes, it's a sad state of affairs that we have to protect the stupid people, but stupid people can still get lawyers.
3. Since they can't re-light a self-extinguished cigarette, they have to buy more cigarettes because they smoke more of them: I think this is just an excuse for "I'm so addicted to them I smoke a carton a week" or whatever they're up to. Personally I'm sure you can re-light a self-extinguished cig if you take just a bit off the top, thus removing the speed bump it stopped at. But of course people just seem more content to spend more money because they got themselves that addicted in the first place and rather than try to quit, they'd rather just keep buying.
So what it all really boils down to is this, once again the smokers are refusing to take responsibility for their personal choices (and personal stupidity re: smoking in bed). Now I'm not saying Big Tobacco shouldn't have been sued back then, because they were lying to the people, but now we're just hitting a new phase of evading personal responsibility.
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Post by krill on Jan 2, 2008 8:55:35 GMT -5
well, usually if something can kill a person it will get banned. Smoking seem to be the exception to the rule, probably because it makes too much money. Illegalise smoking as a whole and be done with it.
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Post by lotus on Jan 2, 2008 8:59:13 GMT -5
Know what's funny? I live in Alaska, we don't have fire safe cigarettes. Before this thread, I never heard of em.... not that I smoke or anything but still.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 2, 2008 9:08:55 GMT -5
I don't think the right people make the money off cigarettes. If they did, they'd sell them in schools. The only reason they don't like them is that they kill people, and dead men don't pay taxes.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 11:40:21 GMT -5
this doesn't affect me...I have my papers, roller, and personal blend of pipe and ciggerette tobacco, cost me about 10 bucks to make2 cartons worth of smokes...and they taste better than the any ciggerette brand
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jan 2, 2008 12:20:18 GMT -5
well, usually if something can kill a person it will get banned. Smoking seem to be the exception to the rule, probably because it makes too much money. Illegalise smoking as a whole and be done with it. guns are legal. knives are legal. rope is legal. technically anything can be used as a lethal weapon, even a jewish pro wrestler...* that's a steve blackman joke incase you didn't notice
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 12:34:04 GMT -5
well, usually if something can kill a person it will get banned. Smoking seem to be the exception to the rule, probably because it makes too much money. Illegalise smoking as a whole and be done with it. guns are legal. knives are legal. rope is legal. technically anything can be used as a lethal weapon, even a jewish pro wrestler...* that's a steve blackman joke incase you didn't noticedon't forget alcohol and cars, both legal...though not at the same time
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Post by krill on Jan 2, 2008 12:52:17 GMT -5
well, usually if something can kill a person it will get banned. Smoking seem to be the exception to the rule, probably because it makes too much money. Illegalise smoking as a whole and be done with it. guns are legal. knives are legal. rope is legal. technically anything can be used as a lethal weapon, even a jewish pro wrestler...* that's a steve blackman joke incase you didn't noticenot in the uk their not.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 12:53:36 GMT -5
guns are legal. knives are legal. rope is legal. technically anything can be used as a lethal weapon, even a jewish pro wrestler...* that's a steve blackman joke incase you didn't noticenot in the uk their not. ...knives and ropes aren't legal in the UK?
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Post by krill on Jan 2, 2008 12:56:14 GMT -5
yeah either way. Smoking should be criminalised, the same as narcotics.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 13:01:15 GMT -5
yeah either way. Smoking should be criminalised, the same as narcotics. ok...then so should alcohol as it's more likely to kill you, and cars since they kill more people every year then ciggerettes, and while we're at it how about fast food since heart disease is linked to obesity, and for that matter everything stressful since stress has been proven to increase your chances of cancer
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Post by krill on Jan 2, 2008 13:02:19 GMT -5
yeah either way. Smoking should be criminalised, the same as narcotics. ok...then so should alcohol as it's more likely to kill you, and cars since they kill more people every year then ciggerettes, and while we're at it how about fast food since heart disease is linked to obesity, and for that matter everything stressful since stress has been proven to increase your chances of cancer Apart from the make stress and cars illegal, yes, I agree on all those things. And that is because cars have a use, all the other things you mentioned are all unecessary indulgences. And you cant make stress illegal.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 13:06:01 GMT -5
ok...then so should alcohol as it's more likely to kill you, and cars since they kill more people every year then ciggerettes, and while we're at it how about fast food since heart disease is linked to obesity, and for that matter everything stressful since stress has been proven to increase your chances of cancer Apart from the make stress and cars illegal, yes, I agree on all those things. And that is because cars have a use, all the other things you mentioned are all unecessary indulgences. And you cant make stress illegal. stress and cars kill more people that all the others combined...so obviously they need to be made illegal before any of the others
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Post by krill on Jan 2, 2008 13:07:04 GMT -5
So how do you intend to police the use of stress?
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 13:08:46 GMT -5
So how do you intend to police the use of stress? jobs are illegal, breeding is illegal...ya konw what lets just kill everyone off it's the only way making any of these things illegal will work, ciggerettes included
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 13:10:48 GMT -5
and I'm gonna stop argueing this right now, because this is borderline political, and I've been warned before, no need to get myself ban
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jan 2, 2008 13:24:50 GMT -5
yeah either way. Smoking should be criminalised, the same as narcotics. ok...then so should alcohol as it's more likely to kill you, and cars since they kill more people every year then ciggerettes, and while we're at it how about fast food since heart disease is linked to obesity, and for that matter everything stressful since stress has been proven to increase your chances of cancer you're on to something here, kid. but why not just criminalize everything fun and everything that taste good and feel good. Cause odds are, if it makes you feel good, it ain't good for you. I mean, I'm a smoker, but damn, fire safe cigarettes? man, what will our society become? We're actually sort of applauding stupidity?!
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 13:31:08 GMT -5
ok...then so should alcohol as it's more likely to kill you, and cars since they kill more people every year then ciggerettes, and while we're at it how about fast food since heart disease is linked to obesity, and for that matter everything stressful since stress has been proven to increase your chances of cancer you're on to something here, kid. but why not just criminalize everything fun and everything that taste good and feel good. Cause odds are, if it makes you feel good, it ain't good for you. I mean, I'm a smoker, but damn, fire safe cigarettes? man, what will our society become? We're actually sort of applauding stupidity?! things like this...and prices are why I role my own now, and the thing about this I don't understand, why do they need to raise the pice, cigars put themselves out and you can relight them...why not do that with cigerettes and actually lower the price
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 2, 2008 15:34:21 GMT -5
The cigarettes in IL are like that now too. While they can be re-lit if they do go out, it seems like they go out in less than 30 seconds. It's really just more annoying than anything else.
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Post by mcclanahan on Jan 2, 2008 15:41:45 GMT -5
The cigarettes in IL are like that now too. While they can be re-lit if they do go out, it seems like they go out in less than 30 seconds. It's really just more annoying than anything else. be glad you don't smoke Cigars...they do the same thing, without a filter and with more nicotine...ohh it's so nice until you get a headache and things get a litt trippy
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