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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 1, 2008 11:29:18 GMT -5
Chris Columbus gets a free pass from me for life because he directed Adventures in Babysitting.
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 11:29:26 GMT -5
This was a pretty decent flick, but I thought "Prisoner of Azkaban" was definitely the best of the series thus far. Although I can't wait to see how the last two books translate to the screen. I believe that the same director from "Order of the Phoenix" will be doing "Half-Blood Prince". Yates is indeed. And yeah, PRISONER is indeed the best...and the first time I actually cared about the story. It's like the Terry Gilliam POTTER we'll never get....and probably better.
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 11:31:48 GMT -5
Chris Columbus gets a free pass from me for life because he directed Adventures in Babysitting. And he doesn't from me because he shot BICENTENNIAL MAN and NINE MONTHS. That said, his scripts for GOONIES and GREMLINS are really good...he just couldn't direct to save his own life. He's like Cameron Crowe, if Crowe was never nominated for an Oscar.
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 11:32:30 GMT -5
There are two things about CHAMBER that are good, in spite of Columbus. (1) Kenneth Branaugh. (2) The climax. Certainly the climax is practically a James Bond plot point, about the hero breaking into an impenetrable fortress, to rescue the girl. I just wish that aspect was played up more, only because its not whimsical having to fight a mother smurfin SNAKE. I mean, TEMPLE OF DOOM didn't tone down the savagery of a death cult. I must say, the one sequence of the last POTTER books I am most interested in seeing how the filmmakers pull off is the ending of DEATHLY HOLLOWS. I might be the only one, but I would be intrigued to see the CGI/Make-Up done.... That will be hella interesting. And hell, if they CGI them older, they can CGI David Thewlis younger for the station, too. LOL Sounds good to me, though lets hope WB doesn't burn all that excessive amount of cash by then on whores and coke.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 1, 2008 11:32:31 GMT -5
This was a pretty decent flick, but I thought "Prisoner of Azkaban" was definitely the best of the series thus far. Although I can't wait to see how the last two books translate to the screen. I believe that the same director from "Order of the Phoenix" will be doing "Half-Blood Prince". Yates is indeed. And yeah, PRISONER is indeed the best...and the first time I actually cared about the story. It's like the Terry Gilliam POTTER we'll never get....and probably better. Oh Lord. Terry Gilliam. And yes, it is the best of the bunch. Which means it's my favorite of the other movies that I absolutely love, so it's all good. The one thing I missed from Phoenix is the Quidditch and Ron - which they're making up in HBP, so they say. That's one of my favorite parts: WEASLEY IS OUR KING...
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Post by Jiren on Jan 1, 2008 11:32:49 GMT -5
Decent, but that's as far as i'll go
I'm not big on Potter
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Post by trixiedust on Jan 1, 2008 11:33:57 GMT -5
And responded to, though I'll elaborate without spoilers here. It just seemed like she didn't care. All the characters who die are obvious, because they get almost NO face time. She distanced us from everyone who was getting offed. They were barely there! I understand that there really was no other way for some of the characters to go, but come on! It'd have been more shocking had we actually had more time with them. As it was, it was almost like "Oh, and X, Y, and Z are now dead. Continue." But I did like it. It went in some very good directions. It's just my least favorite of the series. Except for that one part I mentioned to you, Bob, in PM. I have high hopes for that in the movie adaptation. Lupin was my favorite Maruader, and I do think their entire background was basically ignored in the films. PO A is my favorite book,with DH and HBP close behind for second. EDIT : SPOILERS AHEAD If you don't want to know about some events in the last 2 books then leave this thread now. I was extremely ticked at how she handled "deaths" in the end of the book. I have to admit to going to the very end first to see if Harry lived or died and then went back to Kings Crossing to read forward before I actually did the right thing and read it from front to back. I counted 18 characters dead, including one of them's ear, by the end of the book. Actually I listed them as they happened, yes I'm a Potter nerd. But the major death at the end pissed me off, as did the others the both of you are alluding too. Yeah, I felt like she didn't care about some of my favorite characters in the book, I felt cheated in a way. And I think she has an unhealthy obsession with orphans.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 1, 2008 11:46:25 GMT -5
I saw the first movie, the second movie, and the third movie, tried to watch parts of the fourth and lost interest. The third is the best, but given the length of the films I just couldn't justify watching it all anymore.
As for: "I still don't comprehend the political paranoia behind the Ministry disowning Harry and Dumbledore."
To me at least it felt like a plot contrivance in the books as well. If they believe Harry and Dumbledore then she can't get seven books in. Even if Dumbledore is the strongest wizard of his age and everyone trusted him... until that point. I mean, you trust him with your children but not enough when he tells you the strongest evil wizard in decades is back? Wha?
My guess was that the government wanted to ignore the situation and believe there was no problem. What kind of self respecting government would act like this I don't know. At least Chamberlain held peace talks.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 1, 2008 11:47:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the spoiler warning. There are still some of us who don't know or want to know what happens in the last 2 books.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 1, 2008 11:47:47 GMT -5
And I think she has an unhealthy obsession with orphans. You should read her fanfics. Orphans with cat ears. *shivers*
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 11:52:46 GMT -5
I saw the first movie, the second movie, and the third movie, tried to watch parts of the fourth and lost interest. The third is the best, but given the length of the films I just couldn't justify watching it all anymore. As for: "I still don't comprehend the political paranoia behind the Ministry disowning Harry and Dumbledore." To me at least it felt like a plot contrivance in the books as well. If they believe Harry and Dumbledore then she can't get seven books in. Even if Dumbledore is the strongest wizard of his age and everyone trusted him... until that point. I mean, you trust him with your children but not enough when he tells you the strongest evil wizard in decades is back? Wha? My guess was that the government wanted to ignore the situation and believe there was no problem. What kind of self respecting government would act like this I don't know. At least Chamberlain held peace talks. On one hand, I buy the idea that the Ministry, like the American government did with the Nazis and AIDS, hoped the problem would just go away if they ignored it. But what I don't buy is that element of the Minister's personal/professional rivalry. Come on, this is the same Dumbledore who thought it was best to leave Harry with his awful Aunt & Uncle, who proceed to abuse him greatly. The same Dumbledore that thought ignoring Harry would help the problem. Yeah he's a badass wizard, but all the Minister would have to do to kill his career is float out the rumor that he's gay*, and BOOM....no more problem. Think about it. The parents of these kids wouldn't want their offspring being taught and overseen by a homosexual, and I'm damn sure that wizard clique is a conservative bunch. *=Rowling claims he is, and I believe it.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 1, 2008 11:56:17 GMT -5
I saw the first movie, the second movie, and the third movie, tried to watch parts of the fourth and lost interest. The third is the best, but given the length of the films I just couldn't justify watching it all anymore. As for: "I still don't comprehend the political paranoia behind the Ministry disowning Harry and Dumbledore." To me at least it felt like a plot contrivance in the books as well. If they believe Harry and Dumbledore then she can't get seven books in. Even if Dumbledore is the strongest wizard of his age and everyone trusted him... until that point. I mean, you trust him with your children but not enough when he tells you the strongest evil wizard in decades is back? Wha? My guess was that the government wanted to ignore the situation and believe there was no problem. What kind of self respecting government would act like this I don't know. At least Chamberlain held peace talks. On one hand, I buy the idea that the Ministry, like the American government did with the Nazis and AIDS, hoped the problem would just go away if they ignored it. But what I don't buy is that element of the Minister's personal/professional rivalry. Come on, this is the same Dumbledore who thought it was best to leave Harry with his awful Aunt & Uncle, who proceed to abuse him greatly. The same Dumbledore that thought ignoring Harry would help the problem. Yeah he's a badass wizard, but all the Minister would have to do to kill his career is float out the rumor that he's gay*, and BOOM....no more problem. Think about it. The parents of these kids wouldn't want their offspring being taught and overseen by a homosexual, and I'm damn sure that wizard clique is a conservative bunch. *=Rowling claims he is, and I believe it. Rowling would have never done that because the entire theme of the book is acceptance and tolerance. That's why Voldemort is pretty much a Nazi. And that's probably why Dumbledore is gay, though she could never figure out a place to add that tidbit. Really, I wouldn't know either. Is it Dumbledore's last confession before he dies? Does Hagrid remember their forbidden love?
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 12:02:54 GMT -5
On one hand, I buy the idea that the Ministry, like the American government did with the Nazis and AIDS, hoped the problem would just go away if they ignored it. But what I don't buy is that element of the Minister's personal/professional rivalry. Come on, this is the same Dumbledore who thought it was best to leave Harry with his awful Aunt & Uncle, who proceed to abuse him greatly. The same Dumbledore that thought ignoring Harry would help the problem. Yeah he's a badass wizard, but all the Minister would have to do to kill his career is float out the rumor that he's gay*, and BOOM....no more problem. Think about it. The parents of these kids wouldn't want their offspring being taught and overseen by a homosexual, and I'm damn sure that wizard clique is a conservative bunch. *=Rowling claims he is, and I believe it. Rowling would have never done that because the entire theme of the book is acceptance and tolerance. That's why Voldemort is pretty much a Nazi. And that's probably why Dumbledore is gay, though she could never figure out a place to add that tidbit. Really, I wouldn't know either. Oh I agree with you there, its just that knowing parents of school-children in OUR country....they would, they absolutely would. Nevermind many of those Hogwarts parents with an unhealthy obsession about blood purity.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 1, 2008 12:15:18 GMT -5
Rowling would have never done that because the entire theme of the book is acceptance and tolerance. That's why Voldemort is pretty much a Nazi. And that's probably why Dumbledore is gay, though she could never figure out a place to add that tidbit. Really, I wouldn't know either. Oh I agree with you there, its just that knowing parents of school-children in OUR country....they would, they absolutely would. Nevermind many of those Hogwarts parents with an unhealthy obsession about blood purity. Just imagine if stories about Harry's secret meetings in Dumbledore's dungeon office leaked out I haven't read the seventh book, maybe it's covered in there, but I cannot remember a single hint pointing to the conclusion Dumbledore is gay. But eh. When I look back at the books I'm amazed at some of the thought put into them while at the same time dismayed at her excesses. Rowling sincerely believes males can only emote their their stomachs. At least that's what Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix taught me.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 1, 2008 14:47:39 GMT -5
That will be hella interesting. And hell, if they CGI them older, they can CGI David Thewlis younger for the station, too. LOL Sounds good to me, though lets hope WB doesn't burn all that excessive amount of cash by then on whores and coke. LOL - and that's always a possibility. If that happens, I'll die. I'd love that. Of course, I'mma love it anyway. And who knows. The movies always have a habit of cutting things out. They may change a whole PANT load of stuff in Book 7.
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Post by rra on Jan 1, 2008 17:01:04 GMT -5
Sounds good to me, though lets hope WB doesn't burn all that excessive amount of cash by then on whores and coke. LOL - and that's always a possibility. If that happens, I'll die. I'd love that. Of course, I'mma love it anyway. And who knows. The movies always have a habit of cutting things out. They may change a whole PANT load of stuff in Book 7. I wouldn't be shocked if that ending for Book 7 was cut out.....but I hope not, if only because it would be a satisfying epilogue for the entire franchise.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 1, 2008 17:14:17 GMT -5
Order of the Phoenix(book) sucked the most for me, because nothing big actually HAPPENED in the book, all it did was set-up the last two(and best, imo) books of the series.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jan 1, 2008 17:14:43 GMT -5
I thought ORDER OF THE PHOENIX was probably the best Potter movie since PRISONER OF AZKABAN (sp?), although it took a second viewing to truly realize how well shot OOTP was (like POA).
And this is from a BIG fan of the books.
Also, I agree that Lupin got shortchanged in the latter books, as did Tonks, who could have been an AWESOME supporting character that mattered, but was pretty much shuffled off in the last two books.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 1, 2008 17:21:41 GMT -5
Agree with the Lupin/Tonks point/ I think that the should have become more mentor characters and Lupin could have become another father figure for Harry since he was friends with James and Sirus. I don't the OOTF was a weak book. If anything I thought that Half Blood Prince was nothing but a set up for Deathly Hallows
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Post by The Line on Jan 1, 2008 17:23:24 GMT -5
Its the one Potter movie that I stayed awake the way through. But thats probably becaus this was the first book in the HP series that I didn't finish reading.
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