Super Smash Bros. Brawl Thread 3 - Updated 1/29

[Vice honcho room temperature]

tzvi said:

What are the chances of Luigi getting in?

..Or shall he get Mario 64'ed?

I say 102 percent.

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Alright. About that Japanese newspaper thing...

Fake.

[Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa]

I don't believe any reports until they're from the website itself. Beyond that, I'll wait for the game to come out to see what's in it.

[thwak is T.hawk]

well I didn't see it anywhere else but ness is in the game.



wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1

around the four minute mark

also for those that don't see it, (which may be the majority because I sure didn't the first time) if you look on the lower right hand corner you can see which characters use the stickers. whoever was taking the video screwed up and you can clearly see ness as well as some other characters too.

[Joekishi]

theone6643 said:

tzvi said:

What are the chances of Luigi getting in?

..Or shall he get Mario 64'ed?

I say 102 percent.

If one of Wario's costume changes is Classic Wario. I can see Luigi being in the game. Especially since they have a ready made model from Super Mario Galaxy. Smash Bros, wouldn't feel right without the Marior Brothers.

Mewtoo could be in, but i'm thinking Lucario will replace him.

And i'm also thinking Ness will be a costume change like Classic Wario for Lucas.

not only do you see ness, but there is Jiggly puff, and what looks like Lucario or MEwtoo

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thwak said:

well I didn't see it anywhere else but ness is in the game.



wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1

around the four minute mark

also for those that don't see it, (which may be the majority because I sure didn't the first time) if you look on the lower right hand corner you can see which characters use the stickers. whoever was taking the video screwed up and you can clearly see ness as well as some other characters too.

Dude, you are THE MAN!!!

I went to BrawlCentral forums, and yes, screenshots confirm Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Ness.

Here's the pics:

img341.imageshack.us/img341/6559/vip439380np6.jpg
img341.imageshack.us/img341/3259/iup542612bd3.jpg

[bradyfan]

Is it wrong to want DR.Robtink in the game?

[Gopher Mod]

bradyfan said:

Is it wrong to want DR.Robtink in the game?

No, but he'll likely only be a trophy or sticker, and not a character.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Zelda final smash update. Nothing omg amazing.

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Zelda's Final Smash

<Light Arrow>

In the final battles of many of the Legend of Zelda games, you didn’t want to be low on arrows. A lot of times they were Silver Arrows, though...

Zelda’s ace in the hole is the magical Light Arrow, which you can use even as Sheik.



Ready for the Final Smash!



Draw the bow tight...



Fire! A beam of light pierces your enemy.



Your enemy is blown away by a tremendous force!

When you’re using Sheik, some of the characteristics of the attack will change, like the direction your opponent gets knocked in.

It’s good to use the character whose attack is best suited to the cover on each stage, but you probably shouldn’t worry TOO much about that.



After all, once they’re hit, they’re pretty much done for.

If you’re just playing one-on-one though, the Light Arrow might be easy to dodge. Try to create a situation where you have a good shot.

[Joekishi]

coolrunner87 said:

bradyfan said:

Is it wrong to want DR.Robtink in the game?

No, but he'll likely only be a trophy or sticker, and not a character.

i really want Kaptain K Rool and Dr Robotnik in the game..

hey still think that the whole thing is a deal with Koopa, DDD, and some other arch-nemesi

[Ace Diamond]

tzvi said:

What are the chances of Luigi getting in?

..Or shall he get Mario 64'ed?

I'd like to think he'll make it in because in Melee he started to have a moveset and style that branched away from mario

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I am thinking Robotnic and K. Rool get in as bosses. They've only revealed one so far, and I have a hard time believing theyre gonna have Sonic in this game and not have stuff related to him in the game, and we already know he is in the Story mode (his trailer shows him with Mario).

And something to look into, I am not sure but I think they pushed back the time of the updates. I live in the central time zone and came home late from a party last night. Well, I went online, then saw the time before I signed off and it said 12:55. For me, the updates come in at 1:00 AM, so I thought i'd just get on the site then reload when the time came. I went to the website and the Zelda Final Smash update was already up.

I dunno if they moved it back or they just put it up a few minutes early or what. I have all my clocks synced with the satellite dish clock so mine could be a few seconds fast/slow, but not 5 minutes.

Oh and since I am rolling dialup (and the quick reply box) I don't have a pic, but those screens of the new characters=an MVP level of BALLIN!

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Manaphy



It’s Manaphy! This Pokémon also appeared in a movie.

This Manaphy is quite different from the other Pokémon that appear in this game. So much so that you’ll think, is this even possible?! Or words to that effect.



It appears from the Poké Ball!



Heart Swaaaaaaaaap!



.........

Nothing happened...? No. That is not so.

Why, Zelda and DK have switched bodies! Wait... You mean, I’m her, and she’s me?!



AAAUUUGGGHHH!

You have to fight as your opponent for a while! They say it’s good to know your enemy.

But you haven’t really swapped places, so if you jump off the edge, it counts as a self-destruct for you. And your damage meter remains as it was.



After a certain amount of time, you go back to normal.
Phew. Good.

Things always seem to end well in this game, don’t they?
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Iwata Asks

There’s a web page nestled within Nintendo’s official site where Mr. Iwata, President of Nintendo Co. Ltd., interviews other Nintendo employees. This corner of the website is known as "Iwata Asks."

For some reason, I, Masahiro Sakurai, was invited to one of these interviews.

Wha--?

But I’m not a Nintendo employee! I-is this OK? Are we seriously doing this? Oh, is that so? All right, well, if you insist!

I imagine this interview should give you a tiny glimpse behind the curtains to see what creating Super Smash Bros. Brawl has been like.

Go on and click the link below to check it out!

us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol1_page1.jsp

[Feargus McReddit]

So it's Freaky Friday in Video Game form?


Sounds cool to me.

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Here is the interview mentioned earlier. It is in multiple parts, this is part 1. The rest has not been posted yet.

~Iwata Asks His Former Employee~

Sakurai-So this is for the "Iwata Asks" interviews, right?


Iwata-That’s right.

Sakurai-In other words, this is where you, the president of Nintendo, interview the developers working for Nintendo.


Iwata-Yes.


Sakurai-Is it okay for me to be here since I’m not a Nintendo employee?


Iwata-Of course, you’re my former employee, after all.


Sakurai-That’s right! (laughs) So it’s the "Iwata Asks His Former Employee Interview," then.

Iwata-Actually, maybe I should first explain how I came to be your former boss.


Sakurai-That sounds like a good idea.


Iwata-Of course. (laughs) So Sakurai-kun — and I use this form of address purposefully, since I was your first boss after you came to HAL Laboratory and started working in the gaming industry — remind me how old were you at that time?



Sakurai-Nineteen years old.


Iwata-Wow, just nineteen!?


Sakurai-Right. Still young and full of energy. (laughs)



Iwata-So, you and I, the two of us, took on an assignment to develop the prototype for the original Super Smash Bros. for N64, and since I had worked as president of HAL Laboratory before becoming president at Nintendo…


Sakurai-…it’s the "Iwata Asks His Former Employee Interview."


Iwata-Right. Let’s get started then.


Sakurai-Okay.

~E3 2005: A Beginning~

Iwata-First off, why don’t we talk about how the Smash Bros. Brawl got started? I believe it was at E3, right?


Sakurai-That’s right.

Iwata-E3 is an international gaming event and I myself was at the E3 in May of 2005 to give a presentation about the Wii. At the time, the Wii was still being referred to by its code name "Revolution" and Nintendo revealed the exterior design of this new gaming console as well as the fact that it would include Wi-Fi support. Before the presentation, we polled a large number of people on what Nintendo titles they hoped to see made available for network play and many put Smash Bros. at the top of their list. All the employees from Nintendo of America that were involved with E3 at the time strongly wanted to announce a new Super Smash Bros. that would be compatible with Wi-Fi play. But at the time, we still hadn’t discuss this thoroughly with HAL Laboratory yet, which shared the rights to Smash Bros. with Nintendo, and we hadn’t even begun planning out the production process. So I have announced this subject, emphasizing that I was hoping that a Smash Bros. game would be released as a Wi-Fi compatible title. However, most people from Japan that were in the conference room took this as an official announcement that Nintendo was going to release a new Smash Bros. Looking back at it now, I do regret the way I said this; you can’t blame them for interpreting it that way…Naturally, it was a splash of cold water for you.


Sakurai-Absolutely. (laughs) You can imagine my surprise when I was told by the others at the E3 show site that you made the announcement out of the blue.


Iwata-I even heard that the people around you at E3 were asking you whether or not you would develop the Smash Bros. game.


Sakurai-Yeah, it was rough. (laughs) I had no idea what to say.


Iwata-So, during that E3, I invited you to my hotel room and told you what I was hoping to do. That was the start of the project…there wasn’t any specifications set, nor were there any framework.

Sakurai-And the fact that I had already quit HAL Laboratory made the things a bit complicated…


Iwata-Well, I had considered what I would do if you turned me down and decided that I would need to take the existing Smash Bros. title, Super Smash Bros. Melee for the Nintendo GameCube, and try to make it Wi-Fi capable while preserving as much balanced game play as possible in the event you didn’t want to get involved. Maybe it’s more appropriate to say that I realized we wouldn’t be able to add any new elements to the game without your help and I think I said as much when we discussed it at the hotel. It wasn’t right, but you might even say I used it as a threat of sorts.


Sakurai-It certainly had the desired impact!


Iwata-(laughs)



Sakurai-Actually, I was a freelance game developer at the time and had planned to use the E3 as a means to gather information on the newest hardware and software and figure out what I would work on next. And then I met up with you. I had some other job requests already and had a hard time making up my mind. In the end though, I decided there were no other jobs with the potential that I could get people to be as happy as the Smash Bros. project. After all, it was already clear that lots of people were looking forward to it. So, I decided to accept the project. Or, accepted that I had no choice but to take it.


Iwata-For which I’m thankful. Even so, we weren’t ready for development.


Sakurai-Right. We didn’t have any staff as I was working freelance. I don’t think you could have made things harder for ourselves if you tried. (laughs)


Iwata-(laughs)

~Searching for Office and Staff~

Iwata-So that’s how it all started. And at the time, the former Smash Bros. team at HAL Laboratory had their hands full with another project. But it was starting the project in this way, however, that enabled us to make the Smash Bros. Brawl development team something like no other.


Sakurai-That’s right. There were suggestions to house the project at Nintendo in Kyoto, but after talking through some ideas, we determined that it was necessary to do the project in Tokyo and we rented an office in Takadanobaba specifically for this game. I even moved to Takadanobaba.

Iwata-For the project, right?


Sakurai-Right, for the project. I mean, if you want to make a new Smash Bros., you have to be ready to put everything else on hold if you want to make it work.


Iwata-Marriage of home and the work place.


Sakurai-Right. Then, just when we were looking for some help, we secured some staff from another video game developer.


Iwata-We were introduced to this company by Miyamoto-san. You can share the name if you like.

Sakurai-Oh, okay. It was Game Arts. It was just after they had finished Grandia III and they told us that they had some staff free. So, we decided to leave the main part of preliminary development to them while we began to hire remaining staff. We did so by looking for people specifically for the Smash Bros. Brawl title.


Iwata-I think it’s quite unique to conduct hiring specifically for one game. After all, it’s clear when we say that "we are seeking help for this project," but then there was no guarantee of employment once the project was finished.


Sakurai-Even so, I think people who work together at these occasions tend to form the right connections and that, including myself, several of our staff will probably work with each other sometime in the future. The reason I myself became a freelancer is out of the limitation I felt from working endlessly with the same people on the same series.



Iwata-Also, special projects like this often give rise to a special level of trust, sometimes creating a deep and lasting camaraderie.


Sakurai-Right. I think it’s possible for good things to happen when you bring in outside staff or outsource some work. In fact, the staff members we pulled together for this project, including everyone from Game Arts, were all highly-skilled individuals.


Iwata-How many staff members did you end up having for this project?


Sakurai-Roughly 100 individuals. Of course, there would be even more if you count supervisors and contractors. Looking at all the staff that appears in the staff credits, it was about 700 people.


Iwata-So the number of people involved fulltime was roughly 100.


Sakurai-That’s right.

~Betting on Success~

Iwata-Despite the abilities of your staff, didn’t it take a lot of energy to make sure everyone was on the same page? After all, everyone had worked under very different conditions before being called together suddenly, solely for the development of the next Smash Bros.


Sakurai-I’m not sure everyone was fully on the same page, but they’re all grown ups! (laughs) And if there is one thing you can say about the people we assembled for the project, it’s that they had a clear desire to work on the next Smash Bros title. I think this saved us from encountering problems.

Iwata-So you didn’t have anyone saying "But I don’t want to work on Smash Bros!"


Sakurai-Right. (laughs) Everyone was pretty reasonable in that sense.


Iwata-You know, these aren’t the type of procedures I would employ for just any game. I mean, if this was a regular game, I would never work this way.


Sakurai-Right.


Iwata-My decision to pursue the project in this way rested on one point and one point alone, and it is deeply tied to the point about which I have the utmost faith in a man named Masahiro Sakurai. To state it simply, you are capable of taking a project with nothing and visualizing a completed game almost perfectly in your head. As I mentioned earlier, you and I have a long history working together at HAL Laboratory. When involved on the same project, you were able to point out the smallest details even when the product had yet to take shape. The details were so small and so specific that, as a programmer, I thought there was no way you could know what you knew without actually trying it first. As the game progressed and took shape, however, it was clear that we needed to address the details in just the way you had described. So I would ask "did you really know this right from the start?" I mean, this was over ten years ago, but I remember you said you did and I thought to myself "is this guy for real?" As it happened over and over again, however, I had little choice but to believe you. I don’t know how, but you’re able to visualize a game right down to its very details, as if the finished game is working inside your mind. If not, how else could you have been right so many times? Even now, Masahiro Sakurai, of all the people that I know, you especially can readily form an image of how a game will look when finished. That’s why I knew that you would be capable of putting together the ideas of the talented staff around you. If you don’t have a person like that pulling together different ideas, you need a lot of trust within the team or the project will not go anywhere. When a project has just begun, it’s natural for directions to come from a vague concept of the product. It’s natural for there to be revisions and twists and turns, and as this continues, the project becomes something different than it was at the start. This is not necessarily a bad thing and happens all the time when designing games. However, this only works because of the trust built up from the past of a long working relationship. That’s why it was so unusual to recruit outside staff solely for the purpose of making such a large-scale game. Yet it was exactly this type of thinking on which I was betting our success.



Sakurai-Wow…uh, thanks for the words of praise. (laughs)


Iwata-Well, it’s not just a compliment. I realized I made a decision that would place a heck of a lot of pressure on you. (laughs)


Sakurai-In actuality, it did. I’d like to take a moment to explain something since it might not be readily apparent to our customers, but making something is often thought of in terms of following a series of steps from start to finish. In reality though, it’s quite different and there are several places at which you can go astray when designing a game.


Iwata-There are many circumstances in which you can’t envision how another person will feel about something until you’ve tried making it yourself. For this reason, there are many cases, unfortunately, in which you make something that seems theoretically right but ends up being a mess. At least in my experience that is.


Sakurai-And, if you’re wondering whether I’m capable of producing a final product exactly the same as the one I envision in my mind, well the answer is a definite no. Of course there are things that never made it in the game.


Iwata-I think it was your unprecedented development strategies that enabled Smash Bros. Brawl to take its shape.


Sakurai-(laughs)


Iwata-Of course, it must have taken a lot of hard work to get there.


Sakurai-Yeah, you got me there.


Iwata-Actually, this brings me to the next part of our interview. Can you tell me about the things that first came to mind when you thought about developing a new Smash Bros. game?


(To be continued)

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Mushroomy Kingdom

Ah, the Mushroom Kingdom. Most Smash players recognize this place from previous games in the series, where the world was represented in a pixel-art style reminiscent of the original Super Mario Bros.

But why the "y" on the end of "Mushroom"? What’s the difference?



Oh, so that’s why!

This time around, we’ve designed a stage that recreates the layout of World 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.—but with rich backgrounds added to the mix.



The stage scrolls forward at a leisurely pace.



Pieces of familiar scenery scroll by.

The kingdom you once knew has turned to ruins over the long years, and it is now your battlefield.

You’ll get to enjoy a wide range of familiar structures. Also, since the stage slowly scrolls sideways, battles here will require you to come up with a very different strategy for winning.

Oh, and when you select this stage it will occasionally load an alternate underground stage.



This is the famous World 1-2. This one’s also quite charming.
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Super Mario Bros.: Ground Theme

The Mushroomy Kingdom stage sports the most famous stage design in all of gaming.

And the world famous Mr. Koji Kondo, creator of the music for Super Mario Bros., has kindly done us the service of arranging this theme for the stage!

The original overworld theme in Super Mario Bros. had a certain, almost Latin flavor to it, but this time the theme features a piano arrangement that really goes along well with the atmosphere of Mushroomy Kingdom.

It’s just wonderful.

Mr. Kondo, thank you for your help!

[kkliq]

Is it me, or has Captain Falcon's popularity skyrocketed since his availability in the game has been questioned?

[Matt Rogers]

Coolest... level... ever...

[Mother]

kkliqj4l said:

Is it me, or has Captain Falcon's popularity skyrocketed since his availability in the game has been questioned?

Well honestly, other than the Home Run Contest, CF was pretty good character to play as, I especially liked his "Show me your moves" taunt. Not only that, he's the only guy to represent the F-Zero games, so to leave him out for say some crappy Pokemon seems pretty useless to me. Not only that, he was in the first 2 and for him to get the ax instead of say the Ice Climbers is not very great. I'm hoping he's either the last character update or the hardest guy on the game to unlock, thus making the more appreciation given to his Falcon Punch.