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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 31, 2007 14:02:08 GMT -5
If you don't mind me asking, what episode of ECW did you watch? The premiere. I had heard there was a new ECW show, and I was a huge fan of the old ECW. I was just getting into the IWC, so I was disapointed to hear that Vince MacMahon had purchased the trademark to ECW and owned the show. At the time, the buzz was that Vince was going to let Paul Heyman run the show and WWE creative would not contribute. I recall thinking, "How bad is WWE tv, when they are advertising a new show and making it a selling point that WWE creative wasn't going to be producing it?" Anyway it aired, people talking in the ring, Sandman caned the Zombie and Kelly dancing horribly was the most entertaining thing. I can say without any hyperbole that it was the worst thing I have ever watched. Wow. Talk about a "First Impression!"! Yeah, that show wasn't very good, but I feel that this year has really improved the show (It's recovered well from the many problems). Anyway, if you would be curious about the new show, he is the YouTube Playlist for the last non-recap episode (12/18)... youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1347928BCA5A45A6And that is my random plug of the day... |
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Post by thestinger on Dec 31, 2007 14:28:28 GMT -5
So you gave it one chance? Wow just wow. What part of "It was the worst thing I have ever seen" is difficult to comprehend? I don't like Vince's products. The only thing that made me give it one chance was that 'teh internets' was claiming WWE creative would NOT be involved in the show, and that Heyman and Dreamer were re-creating the original ECW with MacMahon only funding the project. At the time folks involved were claiming the project was specifically designed for fans who don't want "WWE style" Sports Entertainment and was going after a different demographic. Now, I'm not stupid, and I didn't believe this would be 100% true. As soon as I read the Vince was involved I expected the show would suck. But I had no idea how much it would suck. I had no idea anything COULD suck that much. I still have nightmares. And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 31, 2007 14:31:27 GMT -5
Even though the shows after it were somewhat better, that first ECW on Sci-Fi show was a huge piece of donkey crap.
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Post by comahan on Dec 31, 2007 14:33:03 GMT -5
So you gave it one chance? Wow just wow. What part of "It was the worst thing I have ever seen" is difficult to comprehend? I don't like Vince's products. The only thing that made me give it one chance was that 'teh internets' was claiming WWE creative would NOT be involved in the show, and that Heyman and Dreamer were re-creating the original ECW with MacMahon only funding the project. At the time folks involved were claiming the project was specifically designed for fans who don't want "WWE style" Sports Entertainment and was going after a different demographic. Now, I'm not stupid, and I didn't believe this would be 100% true. As soon as I read the Vince was involved I expected the show would suck. But I had no idea how much it would suck. I had no idea anything COULD suck that much. I still have nightmares. And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. Well, to be fair, things like The Zombie were something that Heyman would do a lot in 'good ole ECW'. Put out something that you knew people wouldnt be high on, and have 911 go out and kill the guy. In this case, have Sandman show up and cane the hell out of him for a big pop. |
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Post by The Line on Dec 31, 2007 14:34:39 GMT -5
ECW now-a-days is pretty good. 90% of the storylines are taken care of out in the ring, and there have been some great matches lately(M&M vs. Moore and Yang). And hopefully Punk will come off his giant killing and have some good feuds. Some matches with Chavo could be just what the doctor ordered.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 31, 2007 14:34:47 GMT -5
And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. I wasn't watching it then, but didn't the Zombie appear like, once? |
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Post by metylerca on Dec 31, 2007 14:36:28 GMT -5
So you gave it one chance? Wow just wow. What part of "It was the worst thing I have ever seen" is difficult to comprehend? I don't like Vince's products. The only thing that made me give it one chance was that 'teh internets' was claiming WWE creative would NOT be involved in the show, and that Heyman and Dreamer were re-creating the original ECW with MacMahon only funding the project. At the time folks involved were claiming the project was specifically designed for fans who don't want "WWE style" Sports Entertainment and was going after a different demographic. Now, I'm not stupid, and I didn't believe this would be 100% true. As soon as I read the Vince was involved I expected the show would suck. But I had no idea how much it would suck. I had no idea anything COULD suck that much. I still have nightmares. And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. Zombie wasn't built up as a star. And shame, it takes alot to hate anything McMahon puts out, but tolerate something Vince Russo writes. I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or not; because that's quite the feat. |
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 31, 2007 14:37:33 GMT -5
And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. I wasn't watching it then, but didn't the Zombie appear like, once? yeah just one time |
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Post by comahan on Dec 31, 2007 14:38:11 GMT -5
Current ECW is solid, but like, nothing of note ever really happens. You can miss like 6 months worth of ECW and not have missed anything important in the overall big picture.
The wrestling is fine, though.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 31, 2007 14:38:50 GMT -5
And for months afterward nothing I heard gave me the impression anything had changed. On the contrary, those involved on the project started saying that re-creating the original ECW was NEVER the plan, and it was always going to be a third WWE show and only use the ECW name to draw in viewers before introducing 'new' ECW stars like the Zombie. I wasn't watching it then, but didn't the Zombie appear like, once? Despite popular demand... Or at least demand of the zWo...if that is still around. |
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 31, 2007 14:39:19 GMT -5
No way is that NWA book the worst book of the year.
And ECW started getting good in about June this year.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 31, 2007 14:39:41 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, things like The Zombie were something that Heyman would do a lot in 'good ole ECW'. Put out something that you knew people wouldnt be high on, and have 911 go out and kill the guy. In this case, have Sandman show up and cane the hell out of him for a big pop. That's true, too. Even though I was a big fan of the original ECW, there was always a lot of crap in there too. It was the company that gave us Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn and Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka, but there was always some new Dudley or something stinking up the show as well. It's only recently that I've seen fans start to acknowledge that half the ECW roster (guys like Mahoney and the Sandman,) weren't all that talented and needed Paul Heyman's booking to hide their limitations. I loved Raven, Lance Storm and Sabu as much as the next guy, but I always changed the channel during New Jack vs. The Baldies. |
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Post by thestinger on Dec 31, 2007 14:44:39 GMT -5
And shame, it takes alot to hate anything McMahon puts out, but tolerate something Vince Russo writes. I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or not; because that's quite the feat. Honestly I don't see a lot of difference between the two Vince's and it's not easy tolerating anything Vince Russo writes. They are both exactly the same to me except Vince M. is the be all and end all of his companies. I do skip over all the segments about Abyss' parents since I watch only for the matches. Hey, I'd love for TNA to get rid of Russo. And hey maybe if WWE got rid of Vince, I'd give them another shot. |
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Post by Arturo Classico on Dec 31, 2007 14:47:17 GMT -5
I disagree with a couple things like TNA being the worst promotion, to me WWE has been way more terrible especially with the Vince McMahon stuff (including the terrible Rosey vs. Trump which was one of the most negative reactions to a segment I've ever seen), Khali being champion, Super Cena, Hornswoggle doing Looney Tunes shenanigans, and the way WWE has treated off the screen tragedy( ie-not taking some blame for the Benoit situation, not recognizing the death of Sherri Martel to still do the Death of Vince)
As for worst show of the year it has to be Raw just a weak terrible show. I mean at least ECW and Impact have mostly been interesting and have had good matches every week but yes they have had ridiculous stuff for sure but at least it was generally been entertaining while RAW has been a cycle of mostly garbage (ie Vince, Hornswoggle) and only being saved by Hardy and Umaga's matches and Santino's awesome charisma. Really it seems they had a bias against TNA.
But basically they had most things right I probaly would have voted for the Trump/Rosey match but the Harris/Storm blindfold cage match was really bad as well, so I could see it get worst match of the year.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 31, 2007 16:29:22 GMT -5
Current ECW is solid, but like, nothing of note ever really happens. You can miss like 6 months worth of ECW and not have missed anything important in the overall big picture. The wrestling is fine, though. Pretty much what he said, though I'm not a big workrate fan so I don't really care too much for the matches. |
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 31, 2007 17:10:27 GMT -5
Anyway, opinions accepted and respectfully ignored for the most part. |
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 31, 2007 18:03:27 GMT -5
And shame, it takes alot to hate anything McMahon puts out, but tolerate something Vince Russo writes. I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or not; because that's quite the feat. Honestly I don't see a lot of difference between the two Vince's and it's not easy tolerating anything Vince Russo writes. They are both exactly the same to me except Vince M. is the be all and end all of his companies. I do skip over all the segments about Abyss' parents since I watch only for the matches. Hey, I'd love for TNA to get rid of Russo. And hey maybe if WWE got rid of Vince, I'd give them another shot. Er, but Vince McMahon isn't a writer...  And it's a shame you haven't been watching ECW lately - Punk/Morrison is about as close as the WWE or TNA have gotten to a 'pure-feud' in a looooong time. |
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Post by comahan on Dec 31, 2007 18:10:17 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see a lot of difference between the two Vince's and it's not easy tolerating anything Vince Russo writes. They are both exactly the same to me except Vince M. is the be all and end all of his companies. I do skip over all the segments about Abyss' parents since I watch only for the matches. Hey, I'd love for TNA to get rid of Russo. And hey maybe if WWE got rid of Vince, I'd give them another shot. Er, but Vince McMahon isn't a writer... And it's a shame you haven't been watching ECW lately - Punk/Morrison is about as close as the WWE or TNA have gotten to a 'pure-feud' in a looooong time. So, is every feud that simply consists of match after match after match a 'pure-feud'? Just curious. |
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Post by lastcelt1989 on Jan 1, 2008 7:30:01 GMT -5
Im sorry but 90% of that list is utter garbarge.
Worst Female: Roxxi Laveoux.
Im sorry but those of us that saw Impact last week saw Roxxi pull out a Barbie buster (I heard thats what its Called) and she pulled out a well executed spine buster. She is not a wrestler that resorts to hair pulling and dragging around the ring on hair. She is distinguishable and has a gimmick that stands out. None of the above can be applied to 3/4 of the WWE female lockeroom.
Worst promotion:TNA
Right, ignoring the amount of crap spewed up by some indy promotions.
TNA is a company thats still got finacial problems and yet ratings and buyrates have been very steady this year (admitadley not rising much) , has brought in new stars (Booker T) and is in the process of making talented new ones (Kaz). It has also given immense respect back to womens wrestling. With wrestlers such as Roxxi, Kong, ODB etc. With no sighn of any diva searches, which brings me too...
WWE this is a company with enough $$$ behind it to produce virtualley anything they want. And what do we get? Looney Tunes. I used to watch WWE (F) and I stopped during the (Vince/Trump debacle) I tune back in and I see Coach being blown up by TNT?
Then theres the fact that the man they've been trying to get over for nearly 2 years now is STILL getting booed out of the building.
Follow that up by having an extended Raw put out as a PPV (No Mercy) and you have one piss-poor company that should be able to provide the world on a plate.
Worst Gimmick:Black Reign
Now I will admit, I dont think Rhodes has anything left to offer prowrestling in 2007/8, hes out of shape, not over with the fans and is taking TV time off of talented wrestlers.
However, at least he is still a wrestler that can and has been used as enhancement talent. He is not a lepricorn running around on a wrestling show painting holes in walls and running through them. That is taking tv time away from talent and is in no way putting them over.
Those are the ones that really got me wound up.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 1, 2008 9:10:55 GMT -5
Then theres the fact that the man they've been trying to get over for nearly 2 years now is STILL getting booed out of the building. If he's getting booed, then at least he's still getting a reaction, meaning he's worth their time to push. I'm kind of tired of Great Khali being crapped on. I guess out of all the IWC bandwagons the one I tire of most is "he's big, therefore he sucks". In wrestling there are guys on the roster because they're meant to be big scary dudes, Khali fills that role pretty well. |
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