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[Bobby Womack]

withteeth said:

History lesson...

There used to be this group during the attitude era... they were called D-Generation X. They, at one time, were the biggest draw in the company, right behind maybe steve austin and the rock... Now I know what you're thinking... "But We see D-Generation X on RAW quite a bit... And it's just two guys. Please Mr. Smoker, explain what you're talking about." Well I can do that for ya. You see, during the attitude era there were actually FOUR people in D-Generation X. Twwo of which you see today under the moniker (HHH and HBK)... And the other two are now known by the name "Voodoo Kin Mafia" in TNA. Those two men consisted of Road Dogg and "Mr. Ass" Billy Gunn.

Those two men, dispite what you may think from seeing them now, were tremendously over... Sold TONS of merch... And even, believe it or not, would have fans who would recite their entire entrance promo word for word as they made their way to the ring. You couldn't go to a bar, club, wrestling fans home without hearing someone yell the words "OH YOU DIDN'T KNOW?!? YO ASS BETTER CAAAALLL SOMEBODDDDYYYYYYYYYY" This tag team has even been refered to as "one of the best tag teams in WWF history" by many many people. And I gurentee, you poll 100 people, wrestling fans AND non wrestling fans... And ask them who "Road Dogg" Jessie James is... and who CM Punk is... You're going to get FAR more people tell you who Road Dogg is.

You see, in a tag team that are called by many "one of the best EVER in the WWF" you would indeed have to have TWO people... Right? I mean, a one person tag team? That's idiotic. So without Road Dogg, there would be no New Age Outlaws... Which officially makes him, at one time, one of the biggest names in the business.

He could draw
He sold merch
People knew, and still know who he was
He had good matches
He was at the right place at the right time
People enjoyed watching him wrestle AND cut a promo
And he's, once again, a memorable character with a memorable catchphrase

That would DEFINATELY qualify him as one of the biggest names in the business.

Thank you for joining me for History Lesson. Tunr in next time when I explain why a figure four would actually hurt.

thats funny because during that same era i remember xpac being in the group for the whole time and chyna in it for much of the time, that would make six members not four, when you cant even get something as simple as that correct youre definitely not entitled to be giving anyone a history lesson, i know all about their time in dx but nothing youve said changes the fact the NAO were midcarders then and are has-beens now

[Henry Mark]

withteeth said:

rs2t said:

apparently youre wrong, i was watching during that time and the only noteworthy thing they did was push a dumpster off a stage and join the corporation for less than one night before turning back, they were over but as bret hart said theyre mid carders for life, ill never consider a mid carder a top name in the business

History lesson...

There used to be this group during the attitude era... they were called D-Generation X. They, at one time, were the biggest draw in the company, right behind maybe steve austin and the rock... Now I know what you're thinking... "But We see D-Generation X on RAW quite a bit... And it's just two guys. Please Mr. Smoker, explain what you're talking about." Well I can do that for ya. You see, during the attitude era there were actually FOUR people in D-Generation X. Twwo of which you see today under the moniker (HHH and HBK)... And the other two are now known by the name "Voodoo Kin Mafia" in TNA. Those two men consisted of Road Dogg and "Mr. Ass" Billy Gunn.

Those two men, dispite what you may think from seeing them now, were tremendously over... Sold TONS of merch... And even, believe it or not, would have fans who would recite their entire entrance promo word for word as they made their way to the ring. You couldn't go to a bar, club, wrestling fans home without hearing someone yell the words "OH YOU DIDN'T KNOW?!? YO ASS BETTER CAAAALLL SOMEBODDDDYYYYYYYYYY" This tag team has even been refered to as "one of the best tag teams in WWF history" by many many people. And I gurentee, you poll 100 people, wrestling fans AND non wrestling fans... And ask them who "Road Dogg" Jessie James is... and who CM Punk is... You're going to get FAR more people tell you who Road Dogg is.

You see, in a tag team that are called by many "one of the best EVER in the WWF" you would indeed have to have TWO people... Right? I mean, a one person tag team? That's idiotic. So without Road Dogg, there would be no New Age Outlaws... Which officially makes him, at one time, one of the biggest names in the business.

He could draw
He sold merch
People knew, and still know who he was
He had good matches
He was at the right place at the right time
People enjoyed watching him wrestle AND cut a promo
And he's, once again, a memorable character with a memorable catchphrase

That would DEFINATELY qualify him as one of the biggest names in the business.

Thank you for joining me for History Lesson. Tunr in next time when I explain why a figure four would actually hurt.

Not to get into your argument/debate, but are you SURE this history lesson is correct? The way I remember it, DX started as Triple H, HBK and Chyna (with Rick Rude in there shortly, not really doing much). Road Dogg and Billy Gunn didn't start until after HBK was out, and with these two came X-Pac. I could be wrong, I was young, but I don't ever recall HBK being in DX at the same time as Dogg, Gunn, or XPac.

[Bobby Womack]

frankgotch said:

rs2t said:

apparently youre wrong, i was watching during that time and the only noteworthy thing they did was push a dumpster off a stage and join the corporation for less than one night before turning back, they were over but as bret hart said theyre mid carders for life, ill never consider a mid carder a top name in the business

Just because someone is a midcalder it does not mean they are not a big name. Got a question for you what does Honky Tonk Man, Hacksaw Jim Dugan and Jake the Snake have in common?

That's right they were all mid carders, and everyone of them is a huge name in the wrestling business.

I would even go as far as to say that the mid carders of the 80's and late 90's are for the most part all bigger names in wrestling than the main eventers of today.

you see, i dont consider them that huge names in the wrestling business, sure they have nostalgia value now and were entertaining during their time as they should have been, every company needs a base of a strong mid-card, but to me one of 'the biggest names in the business' as the poster said, would be someone who would actually have an affect on the company by leaving it, after road dogg left it was business as usual

[I'm The Cool One]

rs2t said:

withteeth said:

History lesson...

There used to be this group during the attitude era... they were called D-Generation X. They, at one time, were the biggest draw in the company, right behind maybe steve austin and the rock... Now I know what you're thinking... "But We see D-Generation X on RAW quite a bit... And it's just two guys. Please Mr. Smoker, explain what you're talking about." Well I can do that for ya. You see, during the attitude era there were actually FOUR people in D-Generation X. Twwo of which you see today under the moniker (HHH and HBK)... And the other two are now known by the name "Voodoo Kin Mafia" in TNA. Those two men consisted of Road Dogg and "Mr. Ass" Billy Gunn.

Those two men, dispite what you may think from seeing them now, were tremendously over... Sold TONS of merch... And even, believe it or not, would have fans who would recite their entire entrance promo word for word as they made their way to the ring. You couldn't go to a bar, club, wrestling fans home without hearing someone yell the words "OH YOU DIDN'T KNOW?!? YO ASS BETTER CAAAALLL SOMEBODDDDYYYYYYYYYY" This tag team has even been refered to as "one of the best tag teams in WWF history" by many many people. And I gurentee, you poll 100 people, wrestling fans AND non wrestling fans... And ask them who "Road Dogg" Jessie James is... and who CM Punk is... You're going to get FAR more people tell you who Road Dogg is.

You see, in a tag team that are called by many "one of the best EVER in the WWF" you would indeed have to have TWO people... Right? I mean, a one person tag team? That's idiotic. So without Road Dogg, there would be no New Age Outlaws... Which officially makes him, at one time, one of the biggest names in the business.

He could draw
He sold merch
People knew, and still know who he was
He had good matches
He was at the right place at the right time
People enjoyed watching him wrestle AND cut a promo
And he's, once again, a memorable character with a memorable catchphrase

That would DEFINATELY qualify him as one of the biggest names in the business.

Thank you for joining me for History Lesson. Tunr in next time when I explain why a figure four would actually hurt.

thats funny because during that same era i remember xpac being in the group for the whole time and chyna in it for much of the time, that would make six members not four, when you cant even get something as simple as that correct youre definitely not entitled to be giving anyone a history lesson, i know all about their time in dx but nothing youve said changes the fact the NAO were midcarders then and are has-beens now

and i was refering to the original members, my friend. chyna dosen't count IMO because she was originally a valet (bodyguard).

and as far as "midcarders" go...

February 15, 1998 - Houston, TX No Way Out Of Texas
Guess who was in the main event.... NAO

May 2, 1998 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin In Your House 22: Over the Edge
Guess who was in the match just before the main event... NAO

December 13, 1998 - Vancouver, BC Rock Bottom
Match #7 in a night with 9 matches... NAO

September 27, 1998 - Hamilton, Ontario Breakdown
Match before main event... NAO

August 30, 1998 - New York City, New York Summerslam
Just behind a ladder match betweeen HHH and The Rock and the World Title match..... NAO

January 18, 1998 - San Jose, CA Royal rumble
Just behind HBK vs Taker for the title, and the Rumble match itself... NAO

Now at this point, midcarders were guys like Edge, D-Lo, Max Freakin Mini, And Marc Mero... I'd DEFINATELY not put them in the same category as the NAO. And to prove things MORE... Most of these matches (with the exception of, i believe ONE match) were Tag Title matches... Back when the tag titles meant something.

[FrankGotch]

rs2t said:

frankgotch said:

Just because someone is a midcalder it does not mean they are not a big name. Got a question for you what does Honky Tonk Man, Hacksaw Jim Dugan and Jake the Snake have in common?

That's right they were all mid carders, and everyone of them is a huge name in the wrestling business.

I would even go as far as to say that the mid carders of the 80's and late 90's are for the most part all bigger names in wrestling than the main eventers of today.

you see, i dont consider them that huge names in the wrestling business, sure they have nostalgia value now and were entertaining during their time as they should have been, every company needs a base of a strong mid-card, but to me one of 'the biggest names in the business' as the poster said, would be someone who would actually have an affect on the company by leaving it, after road dogg left it was business as usual

Road Dogg had a huge affect on the company. he not only brought in mass amounts of money in the way of merchandise, and folks paying to see him, his catch phrase also help wrestling break back into the main stream.

By your criteria Bret Hart is not a big name because when he left the WWF the company actually started to do better.

[Bobby Womack]

withteeth said:

rs2t said:

thats funny because during that same era i remember xpac being in the group for the whole time and chyna in it for much of the time, that would make six members not four, when you cant even get something as simple as that correct youre definitely not entitled to be giving anyone a history lesson, i know all about their time in dx but nothing youve said changes the fact the NAO were midcarders then and are has-beens now

and i was refering to the original members, my friend. chyna dosen't count IMO because she was originally a valet (bodyguard).

and as far as "midcarders" go...

February 15, 1998 - Houston, TX No Way Out Of Texas
Guess who was in the main event.... NAO

May 2, 1998 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin In Your House 22: Over the Edge
Guess who was in the match just before the main event... NAO

December 13, 1998 - Vancouver, BC Rock Bottom
Match #7 in a night with 9 matches... NAO

September 27, 1998 - Hamilton, Ontario Breakdown
Match before main event... NAO

August 30, 1998 - New York City, New York Summerslam
Just behind a ladder match betweeen HHH and The Rock and the World Title match..... NAO

January 18, 1998 - San Jose, CA Royal rumble
Just behind HBK vs Taker for the title, and the Rumble match itself... NAO

Now at this point, midcarders were guys like Edge, D-Lo, Max Freakin Mini, And Marc Mero... I'd DEFINATELY not put them in the same category as the NAO. And to prove things MORE... Most of these matches (with the exception of, i believe ONE match) were Tag Title matches... Back when the tag titles meant something.

so they main evented one IYH, which you forgot to mention also featured steve austin, hhh, owen hart, foley and funk, and suppose to feature hbk (all of which obviously got that match to the main event much more than the NAO did), and the rest were 'just before this and this', to me that screams that they were never able to make it to the top of the card and were carried by others, but i think that we're gonna have to agree to disagree because my idea of 'biggest names in the business' is apparently alot harsher than yours

[SWH - Shane Hero]

There are thousands of people who have been wrestlers over the years, maybe millions. Most of whom you wouldn't know of. Indy guys, small names, no names. Guys from all over the world. Now compared to most, a guy like Road Dogg sold millions in merchandise, was very recognizable, had popular catchphrases, was a consistent upper-mid card talent for a number of years during wrestlings most successful time period, and was seen by millions each week on Raw at it's peak. And lets not forget he was OVER, he got huge pops at his peak.

Yeah, compared to most wrestlers Road Dogg was pretty big. Sure Austin and Rock were bigger, but Road Dogg was still a pretty big name in the Attitude era.

The fact he has become stale and is no longer anywhere nearly as entertaining is probably tainting your memory of him. I wouldn't call him one of the biggest names in wrestling today, but overall, yeah he was big.


Anyway... back to that Jean Paul Levesque promo... watch that, then picture who he has become. Now if he could go from that to what he became... then I'm jumping on the Renee Dupree bandwagon early, because I see big things in his future. Say, what is Renee doing these days... no, wait I don't really care.

[Bobby Womack]

frankgotch said:

Road Dogg had a huge affect on the company. he not only brought in mass amounts of money in the way of merchandise, and folks paying to see him, his catch phrase also help wrestling break back into the main stream.

By your criteria Bret Hart is not a big name because when he left the WWF the company actually started to do better.

but i wasnt talking about ratings, i was talking about having an impact, and we all know bret leaving had a huge impact on the company and the business, they just handled it in a way that propelled them to success, and can you honestly say that any considerable ammount of people bought tickets to an event with the main purpose of getting to see the real double j? it wasnt until he was in dx that he had any drawing power and that was mostly due to dx

swh said:

There are thousands of people who have been wrestlers over the years, maybe millions. Most of whom you wouldn't know of. Indy guys, small names, no names. Guys from all over the world. Now compared to most, a guy like Road Dogg sold millions in merchandise, was very recognizable, had popular catchphrases, was a consistent upper-mid card talent for a number of years during wrestlings most successful time period, and was seen by millions each week on Raw at it's peak. And lets not forget he was OVER, he got huge pops at his peak.

Yeah, compared to most wrestlers Road Dogg was pretty big. Sure Austin and Rock were bigger, but Road Dogg was still a pretty big name in the Attitude era.

The fact he has become stale and is no longer anywhere nearly as entertaining is probably tainting your memory of him. I wouldn't call him one of the biggest names in wrestling today, but overall, yeah he was big.

but let me ask you this, if you had to create a short video package of significant moments in wrestling, would road dogg ever be in it? apart from maybe in the background during a dx (triple h) promo/skit? theres no doubt that he was big but my gripe with him being 'one of the biggest' is that he hasnt really done anything note worthy other than dressing up as dlo brown and vince mcmahon, he should make it anywhere near the top 50 of anyones list of biggest wrestlers of all time

[Hiroshi Hase]

kunswwfmark said:

jmoney said:

whoa, that audience is surprisngly pumped for what looks like WCW worldwide or WCW Pro

Was this when WCW used to have the signs pointed to the audience that said "Cheer" and "Boo" and would light up at the appropriate time?

Terra Ryzing

That's correct, but still Worldwide was probably the B show under Saturday Night or the A show at the time depending on who you ask.

I think most are under the impression that Worldwide was always held there, but they used to do tapings at the Omni in Atlanta and in Charlotte as well. Hell, Ron Simmons won the World Title on a Worldwide taping.

[erik316wttn]

And just because I haven't done it in a while....

"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages: D-Generation X proudly presents to you it's WWF TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS OF THE WORRRLLLLLLDDDDDD........The Road Dogg Jesse James... the Bad Ass Billy Gunn..... The NEW. AGE. OUTLAWS.

And if you ain't down with that, we got two words for ya......SUCK IT!!"

Road Dogg was without a doubt one of the most over wrestlers of the Attitude Era. Not as over as Austin, Rock, Undertaker, etc, but he got a big pop whenever he came out.

Sure, today he isn't a big name, but at the height of the Attitude Era people knew who he was.

[doytch]

the guy has the blond hair is triple h

[shiranui]

doytch said:

the guy has the blond hair is triple h

Stop the press!

[Deleted]

Wow, this thread got stupid.

[I'm The Cool One]

rs2t said:

withteeth said:

and i was refering to the original members, my friend. chyna dosen't count IMO because she was originally a valet (bodyguard).

and as far as "midcarders" go...

February 15, 1998 - Houston, TX No Way Out Of Texas
Guess who was in the main event.... NAO

May 2, 1998 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin In Your House 22: Over the Edge
Guess who was in the match just before the main event... NAO

December 13, 1998 - Vancouver, BC Rock Bottom
Match #7 in a night with 9 matches... NAO

September 27, 1998 - Hamilton, Ontario Breakdown
Match before main event... NAO

August 30, 1998 - New York City, New York Summerslam
Just behind a ladder match betweeen HHH and The Rock and the World Title match..... NAO

January 18, 1998 - San Jose, CA Royal rumble
Just behind HBK vs Taker for the title, and the Rumble match itself... NAO

Now at this point, midcarders were guys like Edge, D-Lo, Max Freakin Mini, And Marc Mero... I'd DEFINATELY not put them in the same category as the NAO. And to prove things MORE... Most of these matches (with the exception of, i believe ONE match) were Tag Title matches... Back when the tag titles meant something.

so they main evented one IYH, which you forgot to mention also featured steve austin, hhh, owen hart, foley and funk, and suppose to feature hbk (all of which obviously got that match to the main event much more than the NAO did), and the rest were 'just before this and this', to me that screams that they were never able to make it to the top of the card and were carried by others, but i think that we're gonna have to agree to disagree because my idea of 'biggest names in the business' is apparently alot harsher than yours

apparently it IS alot harsher. So arguing is futile, really.

[Hiroshi Hase]

Unless they are main event, I don't think the match placement means all that much as at the PPV's sometimes WWE may want to put a Diva match on before the main event or put the World or WWE title match around the second hour of the PPV.

[I'm The Cool One]

yjc1019 said:

Unless they are main event, I don't think the match placement means all that much as at the PPV's sometimes WWE may want to put a Diva match on before the main event or put the World or WWE title match around the second hour of the PPV.

agreed for the most part.

however, even if you're in the main event, it dosen't mean you're a "big star" if you will. i mean, the world/wwe title match will always be at the end of the card... so you could throw Taka Michinoku in there against the champion. dosen't make taka a star, ya know? so i just kinda dont even take that match into consideration, really.

but good point.

[Joie De Vivre]

devolution said:

Wow, this thread got stupid.

lol.

[chunkylover53]

[quote author=withteeth board=WWE thread=1199497595 post=1199524413 This tag team has even been refered to as "one of the best tag teams in WWF history" by many many people. And I gurentee, you poll 100 people, wrestling fans AND non wrestling fans... And ask them who "Road Dogg" Jessie James is... and who CM Punk is... You're going to get FAR more people tell you who Road Dogg is.quote]

Wait a minute? Are you implying that Road Dogg was a household name!?!?!? I agree he was over with Billy Gunn at the time, but they certainly weren't known to non-wrestling people then or now. Also, about comparing him to CM Punk, more people would know who he is because they were more fans back then. I know my friends wouldn't know who Punk is, considering they only watch wrestling when it was cool. Road Dogg was no cornerstone, he was just one of the many over people during the Attitude Era. That's it.

[@TenaciousBe]

I mark for Road Dogg's jew fro.

[I'm The Cool One]

chunkylover53 said:

[quote author=withteeth board=WWE thread=1199497595 post=1199524413 This tag team has even been refered to as "one of the best tag teams in WWF history" by many many people. And I gurentee, you poll 100 people, wrestling fans AND non wrestling fans... And ask them who "Road Dogg" Jessie James is... and who CM Punk is... You're going to get FAR more people tell you who Road Dogg is.quote]

Wait a minute? Are you implying that Road Dogg was a household name!?!?!? I agree he was over with Billy Gunn at the time, but they certainly weren't known to non-wrestling people then or now. Also, about comparing him to CM Punk, more people would know who he is because they were more fans back then. I know my friends wouldn't know who Punk is, considering they only watch wrestling when it was cool. Road Dogg was no cornerstone, he was just one of the many over people during the Attitude Era. That's it.

household name? no. but more people know who he is than punk.

and yeah, it may be because there were more fans... but really, alot of people would say hogan is the biggest name in the business... if NOBODY was watching wrestling during the 80's do you really think they'd be saying the same thing today? likely not.