AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 22, 2008 13:06:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna get alot of heat for this, but...could anyone do Golddust as well as Dustin Rhodes did?
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 22, 2008 16:41:56 GMT -5
Other than Savage I've never seen anyone do the King gimmick as well as Booker did, managing to make it funny to some, but get almost all the casual fans to completely despise him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 22, 2008 22:22:27 GMT -5
I'm gonna get alot of heat for this, but...could anyone do Golddust as well as Dustin Rhodes did? Not a chance in hell. Rhodes was absolutely FANTASTIC in that role, and I can't imagine anyone else pulling that one off
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Feb 22, 2008 22:25:51 GMT -5
I don't think anybody else could have pulled off being Kane, and sustaining that character for 11 years and the changes he's gone through. Glen Jacobs is a tremendously talented actor Not to mention all the crap his character has gone through. A lesser talent would have been crushed by all that crap.
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Post by rj on Feb 23, 2008 16:15:04 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan. We have seen NUMEROUS times promoters--even Vince--trying to find the next Hogan, but they keep failing. Why? Because Terry Bollea was the only guy that could pull THAT off. The man is overlooked as a wrestler and as a performer. My only problem with that whole thing is that the promoter wants it both ways. No, there can never be another Hulk Hogan. I doubt any other wrestler will be the ultimate babyface hero like he was, going to all these places, and seeing all these sick kids, and that sort of thing... However, when bookers/promoters/whatever keep saying "who will be the next Hogan?" the idiots keep wanting someone who's as big a draw as Hogan. Sorry to say it, but Steve Austin was already "the next Hulk Hogan." Nobody has as many stupid products, shirts, action figures, and other crap labeled with his catchphrase (Austin 3:16) The biggest problem is that Steve didn't have the "nostalga factor" that Hogan has. Possibly, in 20 years or more, fans might ask "Geez, why did all those people cheer for such a despicable and evil man like Steve Austin?" It wasn't in Austin's character to be the hero or the stand up guy...he was the vigilante, the man out only for his own reasons and motives. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that "the next big Hogan-like draw" has already come and gone...but the next big ultra super hero stand up guy hasn't yet...such a character just isn't "in" with the times right now. There's a key difference between the two that you're forgetting, even though they were both #1 face and brought in lots of money. Hogan played the hero. Austin played the anti-hero. Cena is far more comparable to Hogan than Austin would be (although he's not reached their level as champion yet). I agree with most here: -Stone Cold Steve Austin -Hulk Hogan -Repo Man -Goldust -Ted Dibiase (although he's sure had a lot of people try) -Undertaker -I would add on Kurt Angle (in his Olympic gold medalist do-gooder gimmick), Bob Backlund (as insane maniac former champ), Grandmaster Sexay, Disco Inferno, the Blue World Order, and the Nasty Boys.
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Post by goodomens on Feb 23, 2008 17:14:25 GMT -5
I totally agree with 'Taker, Golddust, and Stone Cold. May I humbly submit Kane? Specifically, the original masked version. I still don't know how he did it, but Glen Jacobs managed to make that mask emote. Just by the way he held his head, he got that inanimate piece of plastic to express real feeling and thought. I don't see anyone else accomplishing that.
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Post by Cucumber Jones:The Walkin Dude on Feb 23, 2008 17:21:58 GMT -5
Raven pulled off his ECW/early-WCW character off better than anybody else could have. Also, Razor Ramon.
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Post by rj on Feb 23, 2008 18:04:41 GMT -5
Raven pulled off his ECW/early-WCW character off better than anybody else could have. Also, Razor Ramon. I forgot Raven. Not many other wrestlers would be intelligent enough to do his promos.
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Post by simongr81 on Feb 23, 2008 20:04:24 GMT -5
As we know, gimmicks are a huge part of professional wrestling. Some are looked at in high regard and will be fondly remembered by fans(such as Undertaker) while others have been flushed away into obscurity(Max Moon). Some gimmicks have potential to be crap, but because of the person who played it, made it work. Something many can't do. So which successful characters do you think would fail if somebody else played them? Here's my list... Goldust - Before 1995, if I(or the IWC) ever heard of a character like that, we would consider it doomed at the very beginning, while others would tell us to give it a chance(another IWC cliche). Well those people would be right because this bizarre persona worked very well with the fans. As you know, the character was played by Dustin Runnells, who made a name for himself as a do-gooding cowboy. To see that transformation into a Hollywood obessed freak covered in gold and black with a questionable sexual preference is something you have to see to believe. Had anybody else played that role it would've been short lived, but Runnells was into the role an made it believable. You can even call it a contributor to the Attitude Era. Now, don't get me wrong, it did get stale after awhile, and his numerous comebacks have worn out their welcome. But you can't question the novelty it once had. I can think of more, but I'd like others to name some. While Dustin Runnels did a great job as Goldust, it is not accurate to say he was the only one who could pull it off. Adrian Street and Adrian Adonis did great jobs, arguably better than Runnels, with their gimmicks which were very similar to Goldust's.
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Post by simongr81 on Feb 23, 2008 20:06:32 GMT -5
I think Mike Rotunda as Irwin R. Schyster is a great pick. His evil tax man was unforgetable. I disagree with RD that this was wrestlecrap. I know it sounds stupid, BUT it worked. Bottom line.
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Feb 23, 2008 22:57:28 GMT -5
New Jack. That man eats, sleeps, lives, and breathes his gimmick. When you read an interview or hear him cut a promo it's almost impossible to tell what's kayfabe and what's real. That's the mark of a great one.
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Post by Cucumber Jones:The Walkin Dude on Feb 23, 2008 22:58:03 GMT -5
New Jack. That man eats, sleeps, lives, and breathes his gimmick. When you read an interview or hear him cut a promo it's almost impossible to tell what's kayfabe and what's real. That's the mark of a great one. Or the mark of a sociopath.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Feb 23, 2008 23:10:16 GMT -5
Jushin Liger.
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Post by Aceorton on Feb 24, 2008 3:56:54 GMT -5
Here's an odd pick: The Berzerker.
He lasted over two years in the WWF as a wrestling Viking. If it weren't for Nord's goofy charisma and willingness to throw himself around like a crash-test dummy, that gimmick would have died in six months.
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Post by WhiteFu on Feb 24, 2008 23:58:02 GMT -5
Simon Dean Here's an odd pick: The Berzerker. He lasted over two years in the WWF as a wrestling Viking. If it weren't for Nord's goofy charisma and willingness to throw himself around like a crash-test dummy, that gimmick would have died in six months. Yeah, really. WWF may have had alot of wacky characters, but at least they weren't a 1000 years out of date like Berzerker.
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Post by slasher911 on Feb 25, 2008 0:26:25 GMT -5
Steve Austin The Rock The Undertaker Hulk Hogan Delirious (^_^) CM Punk (for a personal favorite)
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