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Post by thegame415 on Mar 24, 2008 20:54:17 GMT -5
I think Flair should've beaten Orton at Royal Rumble to become champion, with HHH winning the Rumble match. They couldve played up the fact that HHH has the desire to win the title after not being champ for 3 years, but the only way he can win the title is by ending Ric Flair's, his idol when he was younger, career. The drama wouldve been awesome.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Mar 24, 2008 21:09:16 GMT -5
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Mar 24, 2008 23:37:54 GMT -5
What would have been wrong with HHH retiring Flair? It has the most back story to it.
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Post by JMA on Mar 24, 2008 23:47:49 GMT -5
The story would've been better if it didn't involve any Clique members.
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Post by Bishblast on Mar 24, 2008 23:57:32 GMT -5
I think otherwise...
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Post by saggyboyflair on Mar 24, 2008 23:59:41 GMT -5
looking back. I think Austin's idea for the "rocky balboa" type angle would have been better than this. I didnt particular care for Orton jobbing to Flair on Raw. Its lower Randy's stock a bit as the WC going into WM. Doesnt make him a legit threat as champion or "unbeatable." Then again the way he has been booked since champion has be pretty sad. I guess they cant make it worse for Randy. Why not job him to the old man.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Mar 25, 2008 0:04:49 GMT -5
I think just randomly throwing the belt on Flair for a nostalgia run is a bad idea. We've already devalued the titles enough in the last decade, and without proper buildup, this would be yet another poorly planned and executed title change with a disappointing payoff. It would hardly be worthy of Flair's legacy or any help to adding prestige to the largest show of the year.
This is coming from a 12 year Flair fan, for the record. He and Michaels are my favorites, so I really would like to try and buy something like this, but the fact is that Flair's day as a top tier belt contender passed by at least 6-8 years ago.
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Post by dh03grad on Mar 25, 2008 0:31:09 GMT -5
WWE f***ed this angle up in the worst way. It was done very half ass as to protect the guys on the roster. Nearly every Flair win was due to a DQ, overturned decision or other cheating avenue. Basically his career staying alive until now is a fluke. It was done very half ass. I would rather than Flair just vanish from TV and let that be it than this storyline. Hopefully his match with HBK is respectable.
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Post by boolz on Mar 25, 2008 0:32:21 GMT -5
I think if Michaels is the one to retire Flair then the whole angle's been messed up. Michaels doesn't need to be the man to beat the man.
That should go to Orton. He's the legend killer for crying out loud, and not being booked that well as champion. Hardy should have taken the belt from Orton.
Hardy/Cena/HHH at mania till Hardy gets popped, injury angle when HHH is in charge of RAW to explain Hardy being out and dropping the title, so it's HHH/Cena at mania.
McMahon fed up of people failing to retire Flair pulls out all the stops, and decides it's Orton/Flair at mania. If Orton wins he gets a title shot at Backlash.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Mar 25, 2008 2:20:00 GMT -5
I think Flair should've beaten Orton at Royal Rumble to become champion, with HHH winning the Rumble match. They couldve played up the fact that HHH has the desire to win the title after not being champ for 3 years, but the only way he can win the title is by ending Ric Flair's, his idol when he was younger, career. The drama wouldve been awesome. Well, I like it. |
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Post by springwater on Mar 25, 2008 2:35:33 GMT -5
I don't think Vince wants old man Ric to be champ after he's had his young guys Cean and Orton carry the ball so well. Ric Flair may be a legend in the business, but in WWE he was only a big time player in 91-92. He kinda jobbed out to Bret Hart on a non televised event however. Which if it happened to say, Orton today, people would be screaming burial til the cows come home. Point is, Ric's getting about as good as a heros send off as he can. If he beats HBK that's a huge bonus but he's still getting a Wrestlemania Payday for only the 3rd time. You really can't argue with that if your Flair. He's probably making more money for this match than any match he ever worked since Undertaker WM x8 and depending on the buyrate/dvd sales and what not. Of course he owes some money to Vin Man still...
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 25, 2008 3:03:39 GMT -5
I like your idea. It's compelling. Certainly more than the two challengers who don't have the belt due to injuries.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 25, 2008 4:51:13 GMT -5
While it would've been cool to see Flair get one last run with the gold, they already had other plans. They don't need to just give him the belt for being Ric Flair, I mean the guy IS old as hell and shouldn't be going over guys like Cena and Orton.
I don't like the idea of HBK being the one to put out Flair. Partly because they've already had a match on PPV a few years ago and it was subpar, and partly because HBK just seems like such a random choice. HHH would've made perfect sense, or bringing back an old rival like Sting or Steamboat. HBK never had anything to do with Flair until a few years ago and they're suddenly acting like the 2 have been friends forever.
I do think that this match will be better than their match in 2003, which wasn't bad but wasn't too good. And it's also not a forgone conclusion that Flair will lose. He could shock the world and get the win over HBK, and then move on and retire to somebody else. I don't see that happening but it's possible.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Mar 25, 2008 4:52:10 GMT -5
World title shouldn't be used as a golden handshake. Want to show him respect for his years as a performer? Get him a clock, not a pity run.
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Mar 25, 2008 4:58:30 GMT -5
it sonds like a pretty good idea
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Post by Raja Lion on Mar 25, 2008 5:42:48 GMT -5
McMahon fed up of people failing to retire Flair pulls out all the stops, and decides it's Orton/Flair at mania. If Orton wins he gets a title shot at Backlash. This is where your idea is a failure. You cannot use a Wrestlemania match to set up a future title shot. Wrestlemania is essentially the season ender in essence, you tie up loose ends, not create new ones. I can't see a #1 contender match (which is essentially what you've booked) at Wrestlemania. If anything, you make no mention of the Orton title shot until after Mania, not using it as a plot device. IE Flair loses, so the next night in reward, McMahon grants Randy a title shot. Sure, you can use Wrestlemania to set up future feuds and such, but you cant use it with a stipulation for a title match at another event. Its not like Money In the Bank. |
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Post by Loki on Mar 25, 2008 7:30:38 GMT -5
So, we've been complaining about pretty much every World Champion since the end of the Austin/Rock era, but we'd have embraced the 734 years old Ric Flair as WWE Champ for a "last hooray" reign?
The angle is ok. I'd have actually spared myself Flair winning for the scruff of the neck since november, but that's just me...
HBK is a good pick to retire Flair, because Shawn has always stated his admiration for Ric, and the two of them haven't faced eachother several times in recent years like it happened with Triple H.
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Post by Snowman on Mar 25, 2008 10:30:05 GMT -5
I'd have him beat HBK at Wrestlemania, and have Orton retain the Belt.
Then Build up to a Summerslam Main event, career v title.
then either have Orton beat him in a hard fought victory to cement his legacy as a legend killer, or for the feel good factor on the night have Flair scrape out a win, but then have Flair retire as champ the next night on raw due to a career ending 'injury' suffered during his match with Orton. (that way Flair goes out in a blaze of glory and Orton still gets bragging rights for being the man to end ric flair's career)
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Post by JD Turk on Mar 25, 2008 10:34:43 GMT -5
I always thought that it should be Orton..Legend Killer vs. ULTIMATE Legend (sorry Hulk)..they both pull out all the stops..then an RKO out of nowhere about 20 minutes in..Orton wins, stands there and looks at Flairs unconscious body with a blankness in his eyes, then just leaves the ring...no taunting, no posing..
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Post by Iceking251980A on Mar 25, 2008 11:09:03 GMT -5
Well they screwed it up also with having Flair inducted into the Hall of Fame this year instead of next year but I quess they couldn't find any big names to put in the Hall this year. While for nostaligia alot of us would have liked to see one last title run for Flair, he honestly is way too old for it, and I'm a Flair mark that's admitting the obvious. Remember, the rumor Rhodes vs Flair match that never happened, that would have been good this in the sense of Rhodes coming in to retire his old nemisis.
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