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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Dec 31, 2007 21:45:29 GMT -5
I like Black Reign. "This isn't TLC. This isn't Flip My House!"
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 31, 2007 22:56:35 GMT -5
I've always thought the amazing amount of hate Black Reign receives is ridiculous. same here. i dig it
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 1, 2008 0:39:11 GMT -5
The only problem that I have with all these new monsters is that it pretty much makes me wonder why people were so afraid of Abyss.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 1, 2008 0:42:36 GMT -5
It's Dustin Rhodes playing a sadistic version of Goldust while having multiple personality disorder. Also he and Rellik are supposed to be monsters yet they only do monstrous things outside of matches because they spend a lot of time losing. That, is not how it works.
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Post by kidtamagotchi on Jan 1, 2008 0:53:24 GMT -5
I don't mind Black Reign, but I wonder this about the character. Since Dustin Rhodes doesn't seem to know (or remember) what he does as Black Reign, does he ever wonder what he's doing in TNA in the first place? He doesn't wrestle as himself, only as Black Reign. I just find that weird.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Jan 1, 2008 4:59:14 GMT -5
I don't mind Black Reign, but I wonder this about the character. Since Dustin Rhodes doesn't seem to know (or remember) what he does as Black Reign, does he ever wonder what he's doing in TNA in the first place? He doesn't wrestle as himself, only as Black Reign. I just find that weird. Yeah, sadly right before he makes it to SNME he turns into Reighn, once again ruining his WWE contract.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 9:34:03 GMT -5
I've always thought the amazing amount of hate Black Reign receives is ridiculous. But why do you care? I mean, if you like the character, shouldn't that be enough? I mean, personally I just can't get myself to care about it at all. Don't hate the guy, but I find it boring and usually change the channel when him and Rellik are on.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 1, 2008 11:04:07 GMT -5
They actually made the crowd chant "THIS MATCH SUCKS".
Sadly, they were facing LAX.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 1, 2008 13:03:03 GMT -5
I don't mind Black Reign, but I wonder this about the character. Since Dustin Rhodes doesn't seem to know (or remember) what he does as Black Reign, does he ever wonder what he's doing in TNA in the first place? He doesn't wrestle as himself, only as Black Reign. I just find that weird. Yeah, the storyline is totally inconsistent. Two weeks ago, he talked to Crystal as "Dustin" telling us he's not responsible for what Black Reign does, and saying he hates the rat most of all before Kaz jumps him. The next week he comes out, still as Dustin, and pretends to not know anything about Black Reign at all mentioning he has no idea about any rat. So in addition to this character being 1. A stupid idea and 2. Played by a bad worker it also 3. Is totally inconsistent.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 1, 2008 13:12:00 GMT -5
I don't mind Black Reign, but I wonder this about the character. Since Dustin Rhodes doesn't seem to know (or remember) what he does as Black Reign, does he ever wonder what he's doing in TNA in the first place? He doesn't wrestle as himself, only as Black Reign. I just find that weird. Yeah, the storyline is totally inconsistent. Two weeks ago, he talked to Crystal as "Dustin" telling us he's not responsible for what Black Reign does, and saying he hates the rat most of all before Kaz jumps him. The next week he comes out, still as Dustin, and pretends to not know anything about Black Reign at all mentioning he has no idea about any rat. So in addition to this character being 1. A stupid idea and 2. Played by a bad worker it also 3. Is totally inconsistent. I think he understands that he can't control Black Reign, but didn't know Black Reign attacked Kaz. And while there can be arguments back and forth about the character, he is definitely not a bad worker, Dustin Rhodes. He may be a little older and not like he used to be, but he could probably outwork a good portion of the roster.
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Post by EJS on Jan 1, 2008 14:38:51 GMT -5
The gimmick is interesting, the wrestler is way past his prime, unfortunately.
Also, Tenay/West explaining everything over and over doesn't help matters, saying things like "did you know Rellik is killer spelt backwards?" "OH NO HE'S GOT THAT DARKNESS FALLS WEAPON, BLACK REIGNS SIGNATURE SPIKE WEAPON." and "The Arctic Fox" every single week.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 1, 2008 14:48:39 GMT -5
"Darkness Falls" is a silly name for a weapon in the first place, made even sillier when Tenay calls it "that Darkness Falls weapon".
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Post by thestinger on Jan 1, 2008 15:14:31 GMT -5
I think he understands that he can't control Black Reign, but didn't know Black Reign attacked Kaz. He seemed to not even know about Black Reign in the ring with Kaz last Thursday. When he was talking about 'him' the week before. And he definately claimed not to know about any rat after talking about it on the previous show. And while there can be arguments back and forth about the character, he is definitely not a bad worker, Dustin Rhodes. He may be a little older and not like he used to be, but he could probably outwork a good portion of the roster. Really? The argument could be made that he could outwork the other four fired WWE guys (Team 3D and VKM) but at most that's four guys making him the fifth worst guy on the roster. And Devon's probably a bit better.
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Post by EJS on Jan 1, 2008 15:22:07 GMT -5
Brother Ray is way better in-ring than Dustin. Hell, Kip James is better. He's probably down on the bottom along with BG James, but he doesn't have the charisma that helps keep BG from seeming useless. And Raven these days is about at that level, except he's willing to take crazy risks still.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 1, 2008 15:25:11 GMT -5
Brother Ray is way better in-ring than Dustin. Hell, Kip James is better. That's funny because those were the exact two I was thinking were WORSE than Dustin. In my view Dustin's the third worst guy in the company.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 15:27:31 GMT -5
Dustin was good back in the day pre-Goldust, but since he's out of shape now he can't do any matches outside of the hardcore gimmicks.
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Post by EJS on Jan 1, 2008 15:29:50 GMT -5
Brother Ray is way better in-ring than Dustin. Hell, Kip James is better. That's funny because those were the exact two I was thinking were WORSE than Dustin. In my view Dustin's the third worst guy in the company. Well it's not exactly much of a choice. The best of these guys, whomever you think it is, is no more than average at this point. I think some of them would be better served in a road agent type position. 3D are the only one's id use regularly, as at least they still get a reaction, Dustin and VKM just waste time.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 1, 2008 15:33:00 GMT -5
Well it's not exactly much of a choice. The best of these guys, whomever you think it is, is no more than average at this point. I think some of them would be better served in a road agent type position. 3D are the only one's id use regularly, as at least they still get a reaction, Dustin and VKM just waste time. Devon's the only one of those five that I'd even rate as 'average.'
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Post by x on Jan 1, 2008 16:12:09 GMT -5
He'll never put Kaz over because Kaz will never be over.
To put someone over means to use your overness to get the other person over.
This doesn't neccesarily mean jobbing to them.
Ric Flair put Sting over huge when he let Sting beat the hell out of him in a match that went to a 45 minute draw.
It depends on the situation, if the win feels like a fluke then it doesn't matter how many matches you beat someone you won't get over (Good example of this is Hogan/Kidman)
Black Reign cannot get Kaz over by jobbing to him. If Christian can't get Kaz over no one will.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 16:24:37 GMT -5
He'll never put Kaz over because Kaz will never be over. To put someone over means to use your overness to get the other person over. This doesn't neccesarily mean jobbing to them. Ric Flair put Sting over huge when he let Sting beat the hell out of him in a match that went to a 45 minute draw. It depends on the situation, if the win feels like a fluke then it doesn't matter how many matches you beat someone you won't get over (Good example of this is Hogan/Kidman) Black Reign cannot get Kaz over by jobbing to him. If Christian can't get Kaz over no one will. I don't think Reign can get Kaz over because he's not over himself. And with Hogan/Kidman, there was no way a heel Kidman was giong to beat a face Hogan cleanly. It was a forced push by Russo which didn't help as Kidman was nowhere near a threat to Hogan or any of the other top guys.
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