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Post by strykerdarksilence on Aug 5, 2008 12:27:57 GMT -5
Any finisher is effective if its sold.
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Post by Joekishi on Aug 5, 2008 15:51:54 GMT -5
I think people need to go watch a normal clothesline and then CFH. Two completely different variations. A normal mid-match clothesline is usually pretty weak and lame. JBL's is way more hard hitting(but not soft spoken ). The only other person in WWE I've seen hit a clothesline quite like JBL's lately(ie: the last 8 years) is probably Lesnar. I agree with this. The way he delivers it makes it different. He literally throws his whole body into it and people like Batista and Cena sell it like death
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Post by Ace Diamond on Aug 5, 2008 15:54:40 GMT -5
The Playmaker, but now that MVP finally ditched it, The Reality Check takes its rightful place back on the throne of crappy finishers.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Aug 5, 2008 16:24:59 GMT -5
Any finisher is effective if its sold. Hit the nail right on the head. I completely agree with this one. Oh and on an off note, John Cena broke Kenzo Suzukis ribs with an FU, some weak finisher.
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Post by BHB on Aug 5, 2008 16:36:03 GMT -5
The Miz's and the Overdrive are awful. The FU was alot cooler when it was delivered more DVD style but now it's a free fall which doesn't look painful at all. It really looked great when he did it at NoC but regularly it's just blech. I'm sure there's more, just can't think of anynow. The F-U has never been a DVD. Here's one of the first on Brock (cole and tazz do mis call it as a dvd before it had a name though) : uk.youtube.com/watch?v=upx6CrNAlhU
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Post by stinger on Aug 5, 2008 22:41:49 GMT -5
Probably the saddest one is Shelton's Paydirt (jumping reverse bulldog), where he hops up and with one arm (early sissy-boy RKO-style), slams his own back into the mat. An utterly retarded finisher for such a gifted athlete who can do so much more, though the exploder suplex he used to use was hard to buy as a credible finisher too (and harder to do to the Mark Henrys and the Khalis of the world). To the people who are listing Edge's spear: that's exactly what the company wants you to think. They want us to think, "Gee, that doesn't look like it would hurt that much, yet a 280 pound man is writhing in pain after being hit with it?"
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Post by Rorschach on Aug 5, 2008 22:57:58 GMT -5
Top of my list: FU, STFU, and Swanton.
That's not Cena or Hardy hate, either, it's just that I hate the fact that a wrestler who wouldn't go down for a more IMPACT driven finisher, like the RKO or Pedigree, is literally KILLED by a simple fireman's carry. And as for the STFU, until Cena either learns how to properly apply an STF (Teach him please, Regal?) he needs to stop doing that move. It looks about as BAD as Rocky's sharpshooter was. He just locks his arms right under their chins, and the opponent has to sell it like DEATH. HORRID.
As for the Swanton....unless it is preceeded by the Twist of Fate to establish that the person is stunned, or dazed, it is retarded to have to believe that a person would not only stay down long enough for Hardy to hit the move, but that it would cause enough damage to earn a pinfall. It should hurt Hardy more than the opponent, logically.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 5, 2008 22:58:13 GMT -5
I've always thought that about the Swanton. Also, as much as it impresses me to see him do it, how bad could it possibly hurt to have an 85 lb. Paul London hit the SSP on you? I HATE the Shooting Star Press. No matter who does it. I am not impressed by a pointless extra flip being thrown in just for the sake of it! I'd say getting your head knocked off by JBL's clothesline looks a lot more painful than a 170 pound man doing a pointless flip then barely landing on you!
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Post by Rorschach on Aug 5, 2008 23:03:54 GMT -5
I've always thought that about the Swanton. Also, as much as it impresses me to see him do it, how bad could it possibly hurt to have an 85 lb. Paul London hit the SSP on you? I HATE the Shooting Star Press. No matter who does it. I am not impressed by a pointless extra flip being thrown in just for the sake of it! I'd say getting your head knocked off by JBL's clothesline looks a lot more painful than a 170 pound man doing a pointless flip then barely landing on you! And I would agree with you, Schlapowitz.
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Post by Da (No Sold) 7-1-3 Itch on Aug 5, 2008 23:22:15 GMT -5
I do agree that the FU is horrible especially for such a bland moveset that Cena has
Although JBL's Clothesline looks legit painful and the way it's sold makes it seem more devastating
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Post by ChitownKnight on Aug 5, 2008 23:37:44 GMT -5
As much as i love Mr. Kennedy, the Mic Check sux
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Post by Danimal on Aug 5, 2008 23:56:39 GMT -5
It is wrestling-world, cool-looking is important and the SST looks sweet. Plus the frogsplash is considered a finisher so the SST should count.
The FU is a joke, looks worse than a bodyslam since at-least in a good slam you throw the guy down.
I'll agree about the spear too. Few do it well enough to be a finisher, Edge and Batista are totally mediocre at it.
Twist of Fate is a totally run-of-the-mill neckbreaker.
Rhodes using a plain DDT is a joke, at-least use a spike-DDT, that still looks nasty.
I don't mind Shelton or Kennedy's finishers actually. I'd like to see Shelton do something more athletic but I thin they're OK.
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Post by "The Orange" on Aug 6, 2008 0:15:24 GMT -5
well, in defense of Hardy's swanton, as silly as it does seem as a finisher, have someone throw 170 lbs of weight up in the air and let it drop freely on your chest from that height. Pretty sure that would knock the wind out of most people. =)
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Aug 6, 2008 0:17:04 GMT -5
I hate Carlito's Backstabber and I wasnt a fan of Jericho's Code Breaker...
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Post by stinger on Aug 6, 2008 0:22:36 GMT -5
I love the Backstabber!
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Post by mcmxzyptlk on Aug 6, 2008 0:23:37 GMT -5
Yeah, except Geoffrey rarely lands on his opponents when he does the Swanton Bomb.
Just what the hell's a Swanton, anyway? I mean what IS it?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Aug 6, 2008 0:30:31 GMT -5
Twist of Fate is a totally run-of-the-mill neckbreaker. The Twist of Fate is a varation on the Cutter. Such other variants include: The Diamond Cutter Regal Cutter RKO Stone Cold Stunner (admittedly the Stunner is more of the jawbreaker variety than the cutter but it's based off the Ace Crusher which IS a cutter) In short, the RKO is more run-of-the-mill than the Twist of Fate, hence why Randy feels the need to live up to his namesake and try to puncture a hole in the mat with his pelvic thrusting while setting up for it. But this isn't about me saying the RKO is bad or anything, since I already said my piece about the Playmaker and the Reality Check. Of course you could've just meant the EXTREME Twist of Fate, which is a variant on the Neckbreaker but if we're going to get critical about people using neckbreakers as finishers you'd have to start at the Reality Check and work your way up. I'll throw in another vote for the Paydirt though, or as I like to call it "Selling a Black Hole Slam" since Judas Mesias used it the all of 4 matches he had in TNA. A flatliner is generic enough as a finisher these days, adding a silly leap makes it even worse.
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Post by corndog on Aug 6, 2008 2:10:56 GMT -5
JBL's clothesline from hell is weak! It's a clothesline, that hasn't been a finisher since the 80s and everyone uses the move. Atleast he could grab their arm and pull them towards him when does it, making it more effective. Edge's spear also sucks, because he is too light to have that as a finisher, and he could do something alot better than that. I would say those two take the cake. I didn't know Cody's was a DDT, that is pretty lame too, but atleast when Jake had it as a finisher it was cool, clotheslines were never cool finishers. BTW whoever said Dusty's elbow drop was weak is completely wrong. I remember when he would walk the rope a little and do one that was awesome, and what about when he would spin his arms, grab his crotch and then elbow his opponent in the head. Also I think Dusty's finisher was a sleeper hold anyways.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Aug 6, 2008 2:53:32 GMT -5
I loved that FU Cena hit at NoC where it was almost Falcon Arrow like at the end.
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Post by shamana on Aug 6, 2008 4:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah, except Geoffrey rarely lands on his opponents when he does the Swanton Bomb. Just what the hell's a Swanton, anyway? I mean what IS it? I think it's a high-angle Senton Bomb - supposedly (if you can trust wikipedia) with the wrestler actually turning only in the end. Or did you ask something completely different?
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