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Post by greate on Jul 24, 2008 11:56:38 GMT -5
Some people won't admit that this could be an interesting storyline, and they are just upset that WWE didn't do it first. Some might argue, myself included, that the WWE didn't think of this storyline first because it's just stupid. "Stupid" hasn't stopped WWE before. Besides it's not that stupid, i only wish they had a better interviewer than Karen Angle.
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Post by Joekishi on Jul 24, 2008 11:58:06 GMT -5
ahh they are playing up the "EPIC FAIL" gimmick he has right now. V for Vince Russo?
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Post by hollywood on Jul 24, 2008 12:02:07 GMT -5
Some might argue, myself included, that the WWE didn't think of this storyline first because it's just stupid. "Stupid" hasn't stopped WWE before. Besides it's not that stupid, i only wish they had a better interviewer than Karen Angle. Yes and no. Sure, Vince and Co. were stupid enough to once think a necrophilia angle might be a good idea, but they've never used "worked shoots" as much as Russo and Co. And the fact is, 9 times out 10 worked shoots are always stupid.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 24, 2008 12:06:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see what they do with Kaz. Maybe a heel turn is what he needs right now to get even more over. I mean it did help AJ Styles and I always though kaz was as good as Styles.
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Post by greate on Jul 24, 2008 12:13:03 GMT -5
"Stupid" hasn't stopped WWE before. Besides it's not that stupid, i only wish they had a better interviewer than Karen Angle. Yes and no. Sure, Vince and Co. were stupid enough to once think a necrophilia angle might be a good idea, but they've never used "worked shoots" as much as Russo and Co. And the fact is, 9 times out 10 worked shoots are always stupid. Honestly, i don't think we've ever seen a real "shoot". Nobody would let that fly, the Russo one was real obviously because Hogan got fired and Russo had power but a wrestler? No way. Besides, people should loosen up about "shoots". Wrestling doesn't live in it's own world with it's own rules, it's 2008. I've said it million times, times change and wrestling should too. TNA is good because they're a bit more free about the "kayfabe" policies and are real to the fans, moreso than WWE. If something occurs in a TNA storyline, it's not a big deal because the fans can react to it and the management will pull the plug on it quietly. Fans also relate to TNA wrestlers better because they produce shows like Spin Cycle and TNA Today, their live shows are more interactive and wrestlers are open about things. I wish they would stray from the WWE Style "interactivity" like the Fan's Revenge where the fans really have no power, let the wrestlers wrestle and the audience pay. Besides, the TNA audience hates it because they know it's bs. f*** kayfabe, focus on good wrestling and mature product and you got a future.
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Post by hollywood on Jul 24, 2008 12:21:17 GMT -5
Yes and no. Sure, Vince and Co. were stupid enough to once think a necrophilia angle might be a good idea, but they've never used "worked shoots" as much as Russo and Co. And the fact is, 9 times out 10 worked shoots are always stupid. Honestly, i don't think we've ever seen a real "shoot". Nobody would let that fly, the Russo one was real obviously because Hogan got fired and Russo had power but a wrestler? No way. Besides, people should loosen up about "shoots". Wrestling doesn't live in it's own world with it's own rules, it's 2008. I've said it million times, times change and wrestling should too. Evolution is one thing. Stupid is another. And worked shoots tend to always be stupid. And even if it isn't universally true, it is in TNA. Are we talking about the same program? The show that dragged out the Sting/Abyss feud for months and months despite fans' absolute apathy and eventually utter hatred for the whole thing? The same program that's still shoving Karen Angle down its audience's throat even though the majority can't stand the sight of her? I'm not even a defender of WWE, but the amount of stupidity that makes its way into the Impact Zone is just incredible...Last Rites Match...Electrified Cage Match...the botched Kurt/Joe feud (seriously, only TNA could f*** that one up)...
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 24, 2008 12:46:27 GMT -5
I think the only really good worked shoot that went over well was Dustin Rhodes denouncing the stupid Se7en gimmick. Too bad it didn't lead to a better run for him as himself because it was in my opinion a great worked shoot that made sense.
Say what you want about WCW at that time but I think there was still some interesting things going on such as the Powers That Be and all that.
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Post by greate on Jul 24, 2008 13:37:38 GMT -5
Honestly, i don't think we've ever seen a real "shoot". Nobody would let that fly, the Russo one was real obviously because Hogan got fired and Russo had power but a wrestler? No way. Besides, people should loosen up about "shoots". Wrestling doesn't live in it's own world with it's own rules, it's 2008. I've said it million times, times change and wrestling should too. Evolution is one thing. Stupid is another. And worked shoots tend to always be stupid. And even if it isn't universally true, it is in TNA. Are we talking about the same program? The show that dragged out the Sting/Abyss feud for months and months despite fans' absolute apathy and eventually utter hatred for the whole thing? The same program that's still shoving Karen Angle down its audience's throat even though the majority can't stand the sight of her? I'm not even a defender of WWE, but the amount of stupidity that makes its way into the Impact Zone is just incredible...Last Rites Match...Electrified Cage Match...the botched Kurt/Joe feud (seriously, only TNA could smurf that one up)...[/quote Well i wasnt really arguing about the stupidity of worked shoots, in my opinion wrestlers and fans alike should lighten up. If a wrestler is stupid enough to go on air and rant about workrates and "superstars" that's idiotic. If Joe however would have left his little speech that occured last year, to notifying Scott hall for a no-show then that's all cool because the fans deserve an explanation and Hall was an ass. Don't try to make up some kayfabe explanation on why hall ain't at the event and don't go on a 20 minute rant which aggrivates the crowd either, know what i'm saying? On your second argument, sure TNA have had it's bad moments but should we really hold it against them? As far as i'm concerned, the overall presentation of TNA seems to be fan friendly and good. They've had super B wrestling lately, they're knockout division is revolutionary with international talent coming in which has never been done before in womens wrestling. They sold out in england and some people said it was better than Wrestlemanias they attended. TNA wrestlers seem to be approachable. They are constantly open about wrestling on programs like Spin Cycle, Dixie attends to the fans herself on shows. It's great, the locker room is said to be great, the morale is up. They have subtle humor on their shows that could be classified as "breaking kayfabe" yet nobody cares because it's entertaining. I don't see all that what you see about TNA, being a purist wrestling fan is hard and overly frustrating.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 24, 2008 14:20:20 GMT -5
Exactly how can you compare "dude quitting cause of falling short/letting people down" angle to freaking necrophelia?
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Post by JD Turk on Jul 24, 2008 15:05:04 GMT -5
I feel like people take too many things way too seriously, wrestling will never EVER be perfect, someone will always complain about some angle and another will always disagree. To me, there's no use arguing over things that vary due to each persons personal taste, you're basically trying to make someone change themselves to agree with you, which is idiotic...actually, this entirement is idiotic. Some people like where this is going, others hate where its headed, who gives a shit.
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Post by hollywood on Jul 24, 2008 15:25:32 GMT -5
Well i wasnt really arguing about the stupidity of worked shoots, in my opinion wrestlers and fans alike should lighten up. If a wrestler is stupid enough to go on air and rant about workrates and "superstars" that's idiotic. If Joe however would have left his little speech that occured last year, to notifying Scott hall for a no-show then that's all cool because the fans deserve an explanation and Hall was an ass. Don't try to make up some kayfabe explanation on why hall ain't at the event and don't go on a 20 minute rant which aggrivates the crowd either, know what i'm saying? On your second argument, sure TNA have had it's bad moments but should we really hold it against them? As far as i'm concerned, the overall presentation of TNA seems to be fan friendly and good. They've had super B wrestling lately, they're knockout division is revolutionary with international talent coming in which has never been done before in womens wrestling. They sold out in england and some people said it was better than Wrestlemanias they attended. TNA wrestlers seem to be approachable. They are constantly open about wrestling on programs like Spin Cycle, Dixie attends to the fans herself on shows. It's great, the locker room is said to be great, the morale is up. They have subtle humor on their shows that could be classified as "breaking kayfabe" yet nobody cares because it's entertaining. I don't see all that what you see about TNA, being a purist wrestling fan is hard and overly frustrating. No offense, but you're going to have to clarify this one for me...
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 24, 2008 16:34:54 GMT -5
Well i wasnt really arguing about the stupidity of worked shoots, in my opinion wrestlers and fans alike should lighten up. If a wrestler is stupid enough to go on air and rant about workrates and "superstars" that's idiotic. If Joe however would have left his little speech that occured last year, to notifying Scott hall for a no-show then that's all cool because the fans deserve an explanation and Hall was an ass. Don't try to make up some kayfabe explanation on why hall ain't at the event and don't go on a 20 minute rant which aggrivates the crowd either, know what i'm saying? On your second argument, sure TNA have had it's bad moments but should we really hold it against them? As far as i'm concerned, the overall presentation of TNA seems to be fan friendly and good. They've had super B wrestling lately, they're knockout division is revolutionary with international talent coming in which has never been done before in womens wrestling. They sold out in england and some people said it was better than Wrestlemanias they attended. TNA wrestlers seem to be approachable. They are constantly open about wrestling on programs like Spin Cycle, Dixie attends to the fans herself on shows. It's great, the locker room is said to be great, the morale is up. They have subtle humor on their shows that could be classified as "breaking kayfabe" yet nobody cares because it's entertaining. I don't see all that what you see about TNA, being a purist wrestling fan is hard and overly frustrating. No offense, but you're going to have to clarify this one for me... ....WTF? I didn't say this!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2008 18:27:31 GMT -5
I just hope this means Daniels can come back now that they have a free roster space. Daniels is gonna be PISSED when he finds out Curry Man uses Angel's Wings.
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Post by hollywood on Jul 24, 2008 18:36:36 GMT -5
No offense, but you're going to have to clarify this one for me... ....WTF? I didn't say this!! No, you didn't. Greate did. And I have absolutely no idea why your name's at the top...?
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jul 24, 2008 18:58:19 GMT -5
With Kaz on the Karen Angle's Angle Karen show it sounds like TNA is trying to give all of those people who say "I just read the results online" a reason to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 8:38:22 GMT -5
This is hardly a worked-shoot. They announced his release on the website, to simply add more credibility to the angle.
If he went out into the ring and said "I'm quitting because I should've been scripted to beat Kurt Angle and all the promos they write for me suck".
That would be a worked-shoot.
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Post by hollywood on Jul 25, 2008 11:27:20 GMT -5
This is hardly a worked-shoot. They announced his release on the website, to simply add more credibility to the angle. If he went out into the ring and said "I'm quitting because I should've been scripted to beat Kurt Angle and all the promos they write for me suck". That would be a worked-shoot. There's no real clear definition of a worked shoot. But fine, I won't call it that. I'll just call it what it is--stupid.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 25, 2008 14:27:55 GMT -5
This is hardly a worked-shoot. They announced his release on the website, to simply add more credibility to the angle. If he went out into the ring and said "I'm quitting because I should've been scripted to beat Kurt Angle and all the promos they write for me suck". That would be a worked-shoot. There's no real clear definition of a worked shoot. But fine, I won't call it that. I'll just call it what it is--stupid. Sir, your observation is as sharp as the green arrow's arrowheads, kudos.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 25, 2008 17:17:23 GMT -5
This is hardly a worked-shoot. They announced his release on the website, to simply add more credibility to the angle. If he went out into the ring and said "I'm quitting because I should've been scripted to beat Kurt Angle and all the promos they write for me suck". That would be a worked-shoot. There's no real clear definition of a worked shoot. But fine, I won't call it that. I'll just call it what it is--stupid. YOU'RE Stupid! Seriously, why is it stupid? What did they do to insult your intelligence, or are you just going along with "Any angle has Russo involves, so it's automatic crap to me" mantra?
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 25, 2008 18:30:48 GMT -5
Was listening to Alvarez today, he originally thought that it was TNA who made Kaz miserable and wanting to quit back in 2005, rather than the WWE.
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