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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 3, 2009 0:10:49 GMT -5
Possibly one of the few moves that entirely cost a team multiple championships but the Portland Trailblazers having the #2 draft pick and picking.....Sam Bowie over Charles Barkley, Kevin Willis, John Stockton, oh and Michael freaking Jordan. I can name a few reasons for passing on the guys you listed. 1) Charles Barkley was know at the time as the Round Mound of Rebound for a reason. It was no sure thing that he would get into NBA shape. 2) Kevin Willis was good, but Bowie looked like a surer bet as a talented big man at the time. 3) John Stockton was a bit of an untested commodity at the time. Remember, Gonzaga enjoys a much better reputation (as well as its conference being more respected) now than it did at the time. Sure, he could have been (and was) great, but most GMs would have gone for the talented 7 footer unless they were sure. 4) The one that everyone gripes about is passing on Jordan. No one knew he would be all-time great at the time, just that he was likely to be a very good small forward-type in the NBA. Thing is, they already had one of those in Clyde Drexler. You know, a player who was named to the 50 Best in NBA History? While having Jordan and Drexler at the 2 and 3 at the same time could have been great, but without a decent big man in the post such a mix would be a little redundant. All in all, it is easy to claim that the Blazers were idiots for drafting Bowie, but it is really easy to do so knowing how all the players worked out.
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Post by Daveman on Jan 3, 2009 0:29:20 GMT -5
Possibly one of the few moves that entirely cost a team multiple championships but the Portland Trailblazers having the #2 draft pick and picking.....Sam Bowie over Charles Barkley, Kevin Willis, John Stockton, oh and Michael freaking Jordan. I can name a few reasons for passing on the guys you listed. Don't forget to blame Patrick Ewing for staying in school for another year. -Nets sell the rights of Julius Erving to the 76ers for $3,000,000 Not wholly the Nets' fault, though. Here's Wikipedia with the full story: "The Nets, Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers and San Antonio Spurs joined the NBA for the 1976–77 season. With Erving and Nate Archibald (acquired in a trade with Kansas City), the Nets were poised to pick up right where they left off. However, the New York Knicks threw a monkey wrench into the Nets' plans when they demanded that the Nets pay them $4.8 million for "invading" the Knicks' NBA territory. Coming on the heels of the fees the Nets had to pay for joining the NBA, owner Roy Boe reneged on a promise to raise Erving's salary. Erving refused to play under these conditions and held out in training camp. Boe had little choice but to sell Erving's contract to the Philadelphia 76ers." Here's a trade my father still rues today: July 21, 1988: the New York Yankees trade Jay Buhner with a player to be named later (who turned out to be Troy Evers) and Rich Balabon to the Seattle Mariners for Ken Phelps.
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Post by default on Jan 3, 2009 0:39:20 GMT -5
Most of the Bengals draft choices in the 90s In the 90's the Bengals selected 6 players that would go to the Pro Bowl. 2 of them were selected when they didn't even play for the Bengals, Takeo Spikes and Daryl Williams. The other ones were Corey Dillon, T-Mack, Willie Anderson, and Carl Pickens. Damn, the Bengals drafts in the 90's absolutely sucked. This doesn't even mention such classic picks as David Klingler, Ki-Jana Carter and Dan Wilkinson. To be fair, you can't blame the Bengals for Ki-Jana. He just never recovered to his previous level of play after the injury he had. Dude was AMAZING at Penn State.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 3, 2009 0:44:08 GMT -5
Here's a trade my father still rues today: July 21, 1988: the New York Yankees trade Jay Buhner with a player to be named later (who turned out to be Troy Evers) and Rich Balabon to the Seattle Mariners for Ken Phelps. Is your last name Costanza?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 3, 2009 0:58:30 GMT -5
I can name a few reasons for passing on the guys you listed. Don't forget to blame Patrick Ewing for staying in school for another year. Too bad that the Bird Collegiate Rule was created. Could have dealt with this. In addition, it would make the draft more interesting in general.
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Post by Daveman on Jan 3, 2009 1:24:45 GMT -5
A few more:
January 27, 1982: the Philadelphia Phillies trade Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa to the Chicago Cubs for Ivan DeJesus.
August 30, 1990: the Boston Red Sox trade Jeff Bagwell to the Houston Astros for Larry Andersen.
May 22, 1998: the Florida Marlins trade Mike Piazza to the New York Mets for Preston Wilson, Ed Yarnall, and Geoff Goetz.
December 13, 1999: the Florida Marlins select Johan Santana from the Houston Astros in the 1999 rule 5 draft, then immediately trade him with cash to the Minnesota Twins for Jared Camp.
November 25, 2003: the Florida Marlins trade Derrek Lee to the Chicago Cubs for Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini.
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Post by tmc1982 on Jan 3, 2009 1:45:50 GMT -5
Since this thread's title includes moves as well as trades, how about: 1992 post season: Cubs let Maddux leave for ATL as a free agent Mike Hampton's free agent contract with the Rockies Barry Zito's free agent contract with the Giants 1992 post season: Pirates decide to retain Andy Van Slyke, while allowing Barry Bonds to depart as a free agent.And astonishingly, the Pirates haven't had a winning season since Sid Bream's slide in Game 7 of the '92 NLCS (now, going on 17 years).
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Post by H-Fist on Jan 3, 2009 2:04:29 GMT -5
Since this thread's title includes moves as well as trades, how about: 1992 post season: Cubs let Maddux leave for ATL as a free agent Mike Hampton's free agent contract with the Rockies Barry Zito's free agent contract with the Giants 1992 post season: Pirates decide to retain Andy Van Slyke, while allowing Barry Bonds to depart as a free agent.And astonishingly, the Pirates haven't had a winning season since Sid Bream's slide in Game 7 of the '92 NLCS (now, going on 17 years). In related Pirates news...they drafted slugger Tom Gorzellany high in the MLB Amateur Draft. That's Good. They made him a pitcher. That's Bad. He's been in the majors for a couple years as a pitcher. that's good. He's under .500 and on the Pirates. that's bad.
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Post by Go 2 Sleeeeeeeeeep! on Jan 3, 2009 2:08:10 GMT -5
Astros Trade Curt Schilling to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jason Grimsley Yeah that hurt.
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Jan 3, 2009 2:58:25 GMT -5
1994- Minnesota trades Dave Winfield to Clevland for a player to be named later (Turned out to be dinner) Of course, we know now it may not be that bad a deal right now
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jan 3, 2009 3:48:39 GMT -5
Edgar Renteria to Atlanta for Andy Marte could've been a proper hosing by the Red Sox... until they sent Marte, Kelly Shoppach and Guillermo Mota to Cleveland for Coco Crisp, David Riske (ew) and Josh Bard (eh). If the Indians win that one, it's all on Shoppach.
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Post by leapinglambert on Jan 3, 2009 10:30:29 GMT -5
1987: Vancouver Canucks trade Cam Neely and a first round draft pick (to become Glen Wesley) for Barry Peterson
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jan 3, 2009 11:45:10 GMT -5
Padres trade Fred McGriff to Braves for Melvin Nieves, Donnie Elliott, and Vince Moore. Ah yes he was the missing piece to the Braves only World Series win during their reign of terror in the NL. I still thank the Padres to this day for sending the Crime Dog to them.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 3, 2009 12:03:39 GMT -5
You want a bad trade that made me hate the Orioles for life.....
In the middle of the 1998 season, The Baltimore Orioles lead the AL East and the San Francisco Giants were in last place in the NL West. On July 24 (a day that will live in myu hatred for all eternity) The Baltimore Orioles trade Joe Carter to the San Francisco Giants for minor league pitcher Darin Brood. The Baltimore Orioles said at the time that Joe Carter was a bust for the reason they were trading him, but the Baltimore Orioles slowly but surely had a bad losing streak that eliminated them from the playoffs while the Giants had a comeback and almost made the playoffs (they lost to the Chicago Cubs in a play-in game).
That is why I hate the Baltimore Orioles and hope they never win.
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Post by Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems on Jan 3, 2009 12:10:06 GMT -5
Also, The Pedro-to-Boston stands out as a terrible, one-sided move.
Boston trades Carl Pavano and Tony Armas, Jr. for Pedro. We know what Pedro has done, especially for Boston. And astute baseball fans know what Carl Pavano's health has been like (terrible) and what Armas Jr. amounted to (nothing).
As a Cubs fan, you must also remember:
-Prior to the 2002 season, the Marlins traded RHP Matt Clement and RHP Antonio Alfonseca to the Cubs for RHP Julian Tavarez, LHP Dontrelle Willis, RHP Jose Cueto and C Ryan Jorgensen. The reality of this is that without Clement, the Cubs don't contend in 2003, but with Dontrelle we might have been even nicer. Also, Alfonseca still Alfon-sucks.
-December 7, 2005: Juan Pierre was traded by the Florida Marlins to the Chicago Cubs for Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco, and Renyel Pinto All three of those pitchers have seen the majors, with Mitre and Nolasco looking good early. Juan Piere still cannot hit enough.
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Post by hawkfan44 on Jan 3, 2009 12:45:25 GMT -5
-December 7, 2005: Juan Pierre was traded by the Florida Marlins to the Chicago Cubs for Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco, and Renyel Pinto All three of those pitchers have seen the majors, with Mitre and Nolasco looking good early. Juan Piere still cannot hit enough.as a Cub fan I'd do that trade all over again. even though Pierre only lasted one season in Chicago, Sergio Mitre = GARBAGE
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 3, 2009 13:10:16 GMT -5
Although it helped the White Sox in the long run, the infamous White Flag Trade of 1997 comes to mind.
Standing only 3.5 games behind the Indians in the AL Central, Jerry Reinsdorf trades Wilson Alvarez, Danny Darwin, and Roberto Hernandez to the Giants for Keith Foulke, Bob Howry, Lorenzo Barcelo, Ken Vining, Mike Caruso, and Brain Manning.
However, Foulke and Howry ended up becoming key components to the bullpen for the 2000 Central Division Champions.
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