Space City's Own
Don Corleone
I am literally the greatest person to ever live.
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Post by Space City's Own on Mar 19, 2009 9:50:10 GMT -5
No because politics burials etc. YEAH! Fans only cheer him and buy his merchandise because he's married to the Vince McMahon's daughter! Finally people with some sense.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Mar 19, 2009 9:51:20 GMT -5
YEAH! Fans only cheer him and buy his merchandise because he's married to the Vince McMahon's daughter! Finally people with some sense. And they come to people's homes and put guns to their heads and make them order PPVs and watch Raw and Smackdown when he's on! It's a conspiracy!
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Space City's Own
Don Corleone
I am literally the greatest person to ever live.
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Post by Space City's Own on Mar 19, 2009 9:51:45 GMT -5
That damn DX! >________<
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deancubed
Don Corleone
Playing League of Legends
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Post by deancubed on Mar 19, 2009 9:54:22 GMT -5
Even if Trips isn't a huge draw compared to say, John Cena, the fact that he's one half of the biggest drawing tag team since the mid-90s means that he definitely has the ability to draw.
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Post by Loki on Mar 19, 2009 10:28:24 GMT -5
Unless you can somehow put your hands on WWE's official Balance Sheet, there's no way you can say Trips draws or doesn't draw. it's a public company. Surely they release them. But still... How can you establish how many of the 500.000 buyers for a given PPV paid to watch Triple H? Do the "merchandise sales profit" column is listing the individual profit for every single superstar's products? Hard numbers can't really explain everything... Cheers and boos and longevity, on the other hand...
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Miss RKO
Dennis Stamp
Orton's #1 Fan! ... after that chubby guy.
Bring back the Orton pose, Randy
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Post by Miss RKO on Mar 19, 2009 10:44:58 GMT -5
The Orton/McMahon feud had promise but turned to crap as soon as Triple H barged in. Adding him has just killed all of Orton's momentum
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Mar 19, 2009 10:47:52 GMT -5
I agree glass ceiling burial Aurora Rose Stephanie nepotism RVD politics clique Booker T roids Montreal etc. Flair envy, don't forget Flair envy. And anger at the wrong coloured tights.
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queenbee
Don Corleone
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Post by queenbee on Mar 19, 2009 11:52:15 GMT -5
it's a public company. Surely they release them. But still... How can you establish how many of the 500.000 buyers for a given PPV paid to watch Triple H? Do the "merchandise sales profit" column is listing the individual profit for every single superstar's products? Hard numbers can't really explain everything... Cheers and boos and longevity, on the other hand... If he draws anything WWE product, it might be his King of Kings DVD, it was selling like hot pancake last year
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Magician under the moonlight
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Always Beaten To The Punchline. Always.
A magician and a thief. That's Badass
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Mar 19, 2009 11:59:28 GMT -5
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hollywood
King Koopa
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Post by hollywood on Mar 19, 2009 12:03:47 GMT -5
Does HHH draw? Yes.
Does HHH draw as much as HHH thinks HHH draws? That's debatable.
Hmm...lotta H's up there.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 19, 2009 12:32:05 GMT -5
He is a draw. Not Austin, Rock, or Hogan levels but he does Draw. You go to a WWE event, then man gets major reactions everytime. So there is no doubt that he is popular. He is one of the top five biggest stars in the WWE right now.
HHH is always in one of the Main Event matches. If not the title match he is one of the other big hyped Matches. Now as said the WWE are still in big arena. Still draw good numbers. Not saying HHH is the reason because Cena has played a big role in this as well.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 19, 2009 12:37:22 GMT -5
He's a franchise player, like Undertaker or HBK, not a draw like Hogan or Austin.
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Kae
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Kae on Mar 19, 2009 12:47:44 GMT -5
Yes. He does. I don't have WWE's balance sheet, but I do have access to WWE Shopzone. His t-shirt is currently sitting at number 2 on the best-selling items list, above JEFF HARDY, ORTON AND HBK. www.wweshop.com/
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Post by taylorandborland on Mar 19, 2009 12:54:27 GMT -5
Maybe in his heyday back in the late 90s. But now? Nah, he's not much of a draw.
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Beans
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Post by Beans on Mar 19, 2009 13:25:04 GMT -5
Is he a draw?
100% yes. End of.
.......different question is whether or not his drawing power has justified his permenant main event status with the company for the last decade?
100% no.
The thing that got me is around 2003-2004 when they were nose diving from a good post-Attiude year of 2002 they should have been throwing stuff at the wall to see what stuck, but they stuck with HHH despite knowing that him as the focal point of the company was not making money. Whereas bigger and better drawers were allowed to come and go and potential new draws never given much of an opportunity, it seemed as if WWE insisted on having HHH there almost to spite themselves, knowing that he wasn't going to be the main to pull them out of their nose dive.
That is where I think most of the HHH-hate comes from, that period where WWE refused to change the status quo despite ratings, share prices and buyrates would have made it a no-brainer to try out some new things and I don't think if it wasn't for HHH's backstage influence, he would have been in that position.
That is what irks most people, not whether he draws, of course he does. I just don't think that if he was ANYONE else with his same drawing history he'd have been a main eventer for as long as he has.
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Maniac Mitch
Mephisto
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Post by Maniac Mitch on Mar 19, 2009 14:00:29 GMT -5
It's all relative. As one poster pointed out, wrestling is not a one man show. Hogan still needed good heels to keep him over. Sure, some people might pay to see him take on a tomato can, but when he was paired up with a strong heel they did good business.
Austin needed McMahon and the cavalcade of heel talent to draw.
With the right opponents, Triple H has been known to do very good business. But, it's impossible to judge someone's drawing power by itself. Consider that HHH had a three month long feud with Nash that did abysmal numbers, yet his three month long feud with Batista did good business. Sometimes it depends more on the angles and the opponent the individual being judged.
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Post by Xander Crews on Mar 19, 2009 14:34:15 GMT -5
Yes HHH is a draw, end of story.
I think part of the problem however is when people think of someone drawing fans they think of Austin, Hogan, and Rock. Lets be honest, guys like that come around once ever 10 years if a promotion is lucky. Vince got extremely lucky in having the three biggest drawing stars of all time all under contract at one time, I don't anything like that will ever happen again.
As much as I hate to admit it, because I'm not a fan of him, but Cena does have the chance to be one of those once every 10 years stars. The guy sells tons of merch, puts butts in the seats, and if Cena is your thing you know you'll get a good show every time.
Cena has the chance to be this eras Hulk Hogan. He's not as good on the mic as Hogan but if you compare the two there are quite a few similarities.
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Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Mar 19, 2009 14:44:07 GMT -5
In 2000 the main headliners were HHH, the Rock, and Austin.
THe buyrates for Wrestlemania where HHH was defending/challenging have all broken the previous year's record (aside from 24). This is the truth
The man is a big draw, DX and HHH merchandise is a huge seller, and well people know who HHH is.
To say he isn't a draw is stupid. Bigger draw than yoko, Taker, Sid, HBK, Diesel, and Bret in their time as champ.
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Post by MGH on Mar 19, 2009 14:45:22 GMT -5
If you go by buyrates, I'm not sure you can call anyone a sure fire draw these days.
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Post by Joseph S. Hasan on Mar 19, 2009 15:14:37 GMT -5
I went to the Nassau Coliseum a couple of weeks ago for a RAW house show. I booed the guy, but I was one of few. As much as I am tired of him, the majority of folks who go to the events love him. The difference between him and Hulk/ Austin/ Rock is that those guys helped bring new fans into the fold. Triple H does not.
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