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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 13, 2009 14:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 13, 2009 14:49:27 GMT -5
How about a good ol' discussion on the resurgence of 3D horror films, ladies and gents?
We've already seen MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3D, and later this year, we'll get FINAL DESTINATION 4 in glorious 3D. After that, it's Alexander Aja's PIRHANNA 3D....and who knows what else after that.
So this is my question to you: what franchise do you folks think will get the treatment next, if this trend continues? Will we see another 3D outing from Freddy or Jason? Or maybe even a remake of JAWS 3D?
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 13, 2009 14:54:27 GMT -5
How about a good ol' discussion on the resurgence of 3D horror films, ladies and gents? We've already seen MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3D, and later this year, we'll get FINAL DESTINATION 4 in glorious 3D. After that, it's Alexander Aja's PIRHANNA 3D....and who knows what else after that. So this is my question to you: what franchise do you folks think will get the treatment next, if this trend continues? Will we see another 3D outing from Freddy or Jason? Or maybe even a remake of JAWS 3D? I'll admit...I haven't seen MBV3D. My local, small town theatre doesn't care for 3D gimmicks, so I had to miss out. But if this thing blows up and gets big enough, maybe they'll reconsider. Especially if the Saw franchise goes 3D, or if perhaps Freddy, Jason, or both go on another 3D outing. I've seen the red/blue method before, but I'm told it isn't anywhere near as good as the experience provided in a movie theater, which really makes me hope that my local theater ends up adopting the 3D gimmick...
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 13, 2009 15:06:23 GMT -5
It's funny that as a genre, horror films lend themselves so well to the 3D gimmick. Any other genre, like say, comedy or romantic films...they just don't work as well.
Though maybe an AMERICAN PIE in 3D might be interesting, if for the visual gags if nothing else.
And I hate to say it, but a 3D killer shark film would be BAD ASS. I mean, I was too young to go and see JAWS 3D in theaters, and the film itself sucks pretty badly....but with our technology nowadays, I can see being entertained by a 30 foot shark popping off the theater screens at me. ;D
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Apr 13, 2009 15:35:22 GMT -5
My area does not do 3-d versions of movies, and when that's the gimmick, then what's the point in seeing it without it?
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 13, 2009 15:42:27 GMT -5
My area does not do 3-d versions of movies, and when that's the gimmick, then what's the point in seeing it without it? In a lot of cases, there really isn't....though I can see a lot of theaters changing their setup if these 3D films REALLY start to catch fire....I mean if FD 4 does super big numbers, why stay stuck in the same old rut and be forced into extinction, when you can adapt and sell more tickets? My local theaters didn't have MBV3D, either, but I drove to the next town that did in order to see it, as did a bunch of other folks. The theaters that were showing it in 3D made money off of it, while the theaters that were showing the "normal" version of it didn't. Hopefully, some of the local theater owners catch on to this, and upgrade at LEAST one of their screens/setups to handle 3D.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 13, 2009 18:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Apr 13, 2009 18:12:28 GMT -5
You could have called this thread The WC Horror thread 3: Dream Warriors.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 13, 2009 19:32:11 GMT -5
You could have called this thread The WC Horror thread 3: Dream Warriors. I could've, but I couldn't resist the Friday the 13th/Jaws reference. Plus, it opens up discussion for the reemergence of 3D in the realm of horror films.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Apr 13, 2009 19:49:15 GMT -5
Wow, the third WC horror thread...you know, looking back on the first horror thread when I had to beg Rorschach to post in it, we've come a long way. Give yourself a hand, WC horror community - I truly think that there is no other series of threads on this board that has as passionate of a poster base as this one. And no, guy, Jason won't be coming to get you - believe me, I'm thrilled that there are people that actually care about these things enough to start new threads. ;D And with the start of a new round of BS’ing/backbiting/general merriment/wasting of time, we must take a moment and offer a sign of peace to the OG soldiers of horror (yup, I’m getting more senile as these things are going on)… Previous inductions: Alfred Hitchcock Clive Barker Sam Neill So, without further adieu, the new honorees: INDUCTEE #4 “I always said that I’d try to terrify my audience, and if I couldn’t terrify them, I’d mortify them. And if I couldn’t mortify them, I’d go for the gross-out. What the snork – I’m not proud.” STEPHEN KING One of the most prolific and popular authors in the world, Stephen King’s name has grown over the years to become synonymous with the horror genre. While King’s novels, stories and screenplays have included sterling contributions to many different genres, it is his contributions to the horror genre by which King has garnered his greatest fame, and become the single best-selling author in the world since the early 1980s. King’s first published novel, Carrie, is widely regarded as a classic in the teen horror genre, and Brian De Palma’s filmed version rocketed King to international fame. King’s prose is not artful – it is resonant, and his ungodly ability to create vivid, alive characters and communities endeared his works to the American public in a way that no horror author had previously, as all of his early novels readily indicate. ‘Salem’s Lot creates an entire town from scratch with its story of a single town laid to siege by a small clan of modern-day vampires; The Shining brings forth gut-wrenching tension and a strong feeling of terror-filled cabin fever that the reader can feel through the page; The Stand has one of the most ambitious, epic stories put to paper in the 20th century – a multi-faceted tale of dark Christianity in a post-apocalyptic American landscape; The Dead Zone has a protagonist so likable and relatable that he would be the hero in a television series twenty years after the book’s release; and Pet Sematary takes a traumatic event from King’s own life – the near death of his son at the hands of a passing semi truck – and gives us a disturbing, profoundly powerful story of the consequences we pay to recover those we love. Perhaps even more impressive are the countless novels that I am leaving OUT of this induction after the very early novels; needless to say, there’s absolute gems to be had in every corner of the King compendium. A multi-faceted writer, King has also written hundreds of short stories (many of them also turned into films, including 2007’s excellent 408), several screenplays, and in 1986 made his directorial debut with Maximum Overdrive, an adaptation of his short story “Trucks.” While the movie is passable at best, it is nonetheless unforgettable for its campy approach and its hard-driving soundtrack by AC/DC – along with its iconic lead villain truck with a Green Goblin head. While King has always been loved by horror fans, his career achieved ultimate validation in 1994 when his short story “The Man in the Black Suit” won the prestigious O. Henry Award, given to the twenty best short stories each year. Of course, the award confirmed something that King’s countless fans already knew – that he is a phenomenally talented literary lion who has given us spine-tingling horror at its very finest with living, breathing, alive characters making the uncanny events on the page all the more real.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Apr 13, 2009 19:59:47 GMT -5
INDUCTEE #5 “They will say that I shed innocent blood. What is blood for, if not for shedding?” TONY TODD Since the early 1990s, Tony Todd has been one of the most recognizable faces in the horror genre. A statuesque, instantly recognizable actor, Todd rose to prominence early in the ‘90s with a pair of stellar horror offerings and has had an extremely busy, productive acting career – but unlike many actors who have the same credential, Todd’s classical training and phenomenal ability have been put to good use playing an absolutely iconic character since its inception. Todd, who received his training at the Eugene O’Neill National Theatre Institute, got his first big break in the 1986 Oliver Stone film Platoon, which would go on to win the Academy Award for Best Picture. His face would become well-known to horror fans, however, when Tom Savini began looking for actors to play the role of Ben in his remake of the 1968 classic Night of the Living Dead. Todd fit the bill marvelously; his version of Ben is looked at by many fans as an improvement over the character in the original film; the paranoia and fear of his fellow survivors, along with the fear of the unknown on the outside of the film’s claustrophobic farmhouse, is palpable with Todd on the screen. Todd’s Ben is the center of the film; his character is unabashedly honest and even selfish when he needs to be for the sake of survival, and while no one character in Night of the Living Dead is 100% correct, we nonetheless find ourselves in Ben’s corner. In 1992, however, Todd took the role that would define his career. Bernard Rose, looking to adapt Clive Barker’s short story “The Forbidden” into a feature film, chose Todd to play the key role of the Candyman – a horrific urban legend come to life, with a touching and tragic back story adding multiple layers to the hook-wielding villain. His body language and speech patterns were a landmark, perhaps rivaled only by Robert Englund’s mastery of the Freddy Krueger character; in the hands of a lesser actor, the character of Candyman would be a simple stereotype, but with Todd in the role the character became an icon. While Candyman would not quite rival Freddy Krueger or Jason Voorhees in terms of star power, he would nonetheless be an instant smash with horror fans, particularly in the first installment which is generally considered one of the best horror films of the ‘90s. The character, Todd in tow, would appear in two sequels – 1995’s Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh and the direct-to-television Candyman: Day of the Dead. Todd has enjoyed creepy, atmospheric runs in horror films since the Candyman series, appearing as the disquieting undertaker in the Final Destination series of films, and taking his rightful place as one of the “unholy trinity” of horror icons in the acting department alongside Robert Englund and Kane Hodder in the 2007 slasher homage Hatchet. Today, Tony Todd continues to be a busy character actor more than willing to bring his A-game to every imaginable type of role – and one thing is for certain, when you see this guy show up in a horror film, be afraid.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 13, 2009 20:04:20 GMT -5
Phenomena (1985) For those wondering...Phenomena was first released in the US in an edited version as CreepersAh Switzerland, home of the red cross, neutrality, and the swiss miss girl. ;D Unfortunately in Phenomena a small town is also becoming well know for a string of murders. The inspector brings the decapated head of the first victim to entomologist John McGregor. Meanwhile we also see the arrival of insect-loving Jennifer to the girls academy while her movie star father is on set. Young Jennifer witnesses a horrible murder and through a series of events Jennifer and John learn of Jennifer's power over insects and try to solve who's behind these murders. I loved this movie. Not quite Giallo and not quite slasher, the film has been described as supernatural thriller and as a dark fairy tale. TR said in a earlier post that Argento's use of colors and music are instrumental to his films and it's true here. The swiss countryside is gorgeous with lush green forests and the score is at times haunting. Goblin, a favorite on Argento soundtracks returns for this film and is joined by such acts as Motorhead, Bill Wyman and Iron Maiden. The cast is anchored by people like the unforgettable Donald Pleasance and a very young Jennifer Connelly. Who I bet even at her young age was still a heart breaker. Hell we even get a chimpanzee! While the film wasn't a gorefest we still get some amazing scenes including an Argento trademark: the window kill. This time shot with a special camera and the victim played by Dario's other daughter, Fiore. Argento has rightfully earned his title of a master of horror. While not as rememberable as Suspiria it does deserve a space on your shelf. Do yourself a favor and check it out. **** out of five stars. And if I may quote the man himself:
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Post by erisi236 on Apr 13, 2009 20:08:00 GMT -5
Any happen to know why Stephens Kings best book to film stuff has been his non horror stories? It might not be 100% true, but it has to be at least 85% true.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Apr 13, 2009 20:08:07 GMT -5
And this thread's curveball... INDUCTEE #6 “I once saw him writhing on the floor in agonies of frustration – for him, the very act of writing his works is a kind of torment.” – Stephen King THOMAS HARRIS Horror comes in many different facets; slashers, ghost stories, gothic horrors, tales of the living dead, and vampire stories being just a few of the subgenres that come immediately to mind. However, there is another subgenre – the serial killer thriller – that owe a tremendous debt to a particular author. The movies based on his works have become so phenomenally popular that they unfortunately overshadow the talents of the man responsible for them – Thomas Harris. No doubt, there had been a great many serial killer stories and films in the pop culture vernacular before Harris hit the scene with his first “Hannibal Lecter” novel (so named because it features mad doctor Hannibal the Cannibal, a character so bizarrely appealing that he has appeared in five feature films to date). Alfred Hitchcock’s films Psycho and Frenzy are both stirring examples of early serial killer pathology put to film; unlike many celluloid multiple murderers, the characters in these films are multi-faceted and not just cartoonish, overexaggerated, frothing-at-the-mouth madmen. Still, the explosion in the genre after the publication of Harris’ 1981 novel Red Dragon cannot be ignored; since then, the serial killer film has practically become a genre in and of itself, with countless films and TV shows commonly featuring charismatic and terrifying killers and the heroic forensic scientists or police officers who pursue them. First and foremost, Harris is a thorough researcher. One of the principal characters in Red Dragon is an investigator heavily based on real-life FBI agent Robert Ressler, the man who coined the term “serial killer” in the first place to describe “murders in series.” His lead villain in Red Dragon, a terrifying psychopath named Francis Dolarhyde who is given the “Tooth Fairy” moniker by the press, is a study in the very pathology of the serial killer; while the novel is a heart-stopping lesson in crime, heroism and the sheer evil that one man can become, it is also invaluable as a reference tool for the mind of a serial killer, as Dolarhyde utilizes a signature, a modus operandi, and exhibits many traits common to the back stories of many real-life serial killers. In short, the character is that much scarier because he is more real – this is the guy who could be living in the house next door as we speak. And while Hannibal Lecter played a small role in Red Dragon, helping investigator Will Graham on his search for the Tooth Fairy, the character was launched to the forefront in Harris’ unforgettable follow-up novel, 1988’s The Silence of the Lambs. A feverish page-turner, the novel stands today as a true landmark, and is also the beneficiary of that very rare type of film in Hollywood – the film version that takes it seriously. The 1991 film adaptation is arguably the finest serial killer film of all time; it contains two of the best performances ever put to film in Jodie Foster’s vulnerable-yet-tough FBI agent Clarice Starling and, of course, Anthony Hopkins’ oh-so-chilling – but yet oh-so-charming – turn as the good Doctor himself. Both actors would win Academy awards, and Hopkins would return to play the character twice more in feature films based on Harris’ novels – the 2000 film adaptation of Harris’ Hannibal and 2001’s Red Dragon, the second time that the novel had been filmed (it had earlier been filmed in 1985 by Michael Mann as Manhunter, with CSI’s William Petersen in the lead role). Audiences simply couldn’t get enough Hannibal Lecter, and in 1999, the American Film Institute voted Lecter the #1 film villain of all time. While many thriller authors are notoriously busy, churning out one book every twelve months, Harris is notoriously slow; he has written only five novels in his 30+ year publishing career (four Lecter novels, including the prequel Hannibal Rising which was also filmed and released in 2007, and 1975’s Black Sunday). However, reading the works of Harris proves the old adage that patience is a virtue; throughout his books, he shows an uncanny ability to recreate the real-life existence of a frighteningly down-to-earth phenomenon and bring it to life. After all, we know that there can’t be a Jason Voorhees; simply put, the dead are not reanimated to wreak havoc on the living. However, a character like Hannibal Lecter, Francis Dolarhyde or Buffalo Bill? They could be right around the corner… Now, to Argento... Phenomena is a really excellent film, Fulci. Maybe not QUITE up to par with his best work, but it's certainly really good. Connelly plays an outstanding girl-next-door character, and the premise is really creative. I myself have an honest-to-christ PHOBIA of grasshoppers, and don't really like insects, but the movie sucked me in anyway. The mystery and giallo aspects work really well, and that creepy little kid at the end? Yikes. The reveal of his face is almost as horrific as the invisible witch scene that ends Suspiria.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 13, 2009 21:34:24 GMT -5
Blu-ray.com-
Friday the 13th parts 2 & 3 headed to Blu-ray:
Paramount Home Entertainment has announced that they will bring the first two sequels to the legendary horror franchise 'Friday the 13th: Part 2' and 'Friday the 13th: Part III' to Blu-ray on June 16th. For both releases, video will be presented in 1.85:1 1080p AVC accompanied by 5.1 Dolby TrueHD soundtracks.
Extras for these releases includes:
Friday the 13th: Part 2 Inside 'Crystal Lake Memories' (HD) Friday's Legacy: Horror Conventions (HD) Lost Tales from Camp Blood - Part 2 (HD) Jason Forever Original Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Friday the 13th: Part III Fresh Cuts: 3D Terror (HD) Legacy of the Mask (HD) Slasher Films: Going for the Jugular (HD) Lost Tales From Camp Blood, Part 3 (HD) Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Also 4, 5, and 6 are out on DVD on the same day
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (DVD) Audio: DD5.1, Mono Languages: English, French, Portuguese (subtitle only), Spanish Commentary by director Joe Zito, screenwriter Barney Cohen and editor Joel Goodman Fan Commentary with Adam Green and Joe Lynch Lost Tales from Camp Blood - Part 4 Slashed Scenes Jason's Unlucky Day: 25 Years After Friday the 13th - The Final Chapter The Severed Ending Crystal Lake Massacre Revisited - Part 1 Adam Green's Dead Dance Moves Original Theatrical Trailer
Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning (DVD) Audio: DD5.1, Mono Languages: English, French, Portuguese (subtitle only), Spanish Commentary by director/co-screenwriter Danny Steinmann with cast and crew Lost Tales from Camp Blood - Part 5 Crystal Lake Massacre Revisited - Part 2 New Beginnings: The Making of Friday the 13th - Part 5 Original Theatrical Trailer
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (DVD) Audio: DD5.1, Mono, 2.0 Surround Languages: English, French, Portuguese (subtitle only), Spanish Commentary with director Tom McLoughlin and Cast & Crew Lost Tales From Camp Blood - Part 6 Crystal Lake Massacre Revisited - Part 3 Jason Lives: The Making of Friday the 13th - Part 6 Meeting Mr. Voorhees Slashed Scenes Original Theatrical Teaser Trailer
And According to HD-Digest, part 3 won't be 3D on the blu ray release.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Apr 13, 2009 21:56:54 GMT -5
I'm actually holding off on getting the new F13 DVD's - I'd imagine that the plan at some level is going to be a new box set collecting all of the special editions. Saving my money until that one comes out - hopefully in a nice, gimmicky box shaped like a machete. ;D
As for the 3D discussion, we don't have them to ourselves by any means. Pixar/DreamWorks animated movies always do well anyway, but throw the 3D tag on it, pretty much an automatic $70 million opening weekend. Not to say that I don't enjoy the recent spate of 3D releases - My Bloody Valentine 3D was actually a damn good time. I actually liked it a bit better than the F13 remake, which I liked well enough. I know I reviewed it somewhere in the first thread. Final Destination 3D and Deep Blue Sea 3D could also be a rockin' time.
One last thing, Fulci - that quote that you posted is outstanding. Said it in the review of Deep Red, but as much as I like Craven and Carpenter...being horror filmmakers were NOT their career ambitions. It just kind of worked out that way for them. Argento? Unabashedly, proudly horror.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 13, 2009 22:25:01 GMT -5
I'm actually holding off on getting the new F13 DVD's - I'd imagine that the plan at some level is going to be a new box set collecting all of the special editions. Saving my money until that one comes out - hopefully in a nice, gimmicky box shaped like a machete. ;D I would've done that, but I already picked up 1-3 before I found out about the box set, so I figure I might as well run the gamet and get all the new deluxe editions. And sadly, yes, I will buy the box set when it hits, which will be an unprecedented QUINTUPLE dip for me (bought the original VHS tapes, the original DVDs, the box set, and the new deluxe editions already) on the series. What can I say...I guess I'm just a Ft13th whore ;D In regards to the Hall of Fame, all three are well-deserved. I kind of saw Harris coming inevitably, so I wasn't really surprised. I enjoy King's books but the film adaptions of his works are hit and miss for me. Good call on Tony Todd, as well
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Post by DSR on Apr 14, 2009 3:02:22 GMT -5
Hey hey, it's not a horror thread without a certain Dastardly, Sadistic Reptile (figure it out) showing up to murder your faces with his opinions! So here goes:
The Hall of Fame: (1) Stephen King wrote Creepshow, which is my all-time favorite horror film (and second favorite film outright). For that alone I think he deserves the nod, but then you add his great body of literature, and his induction is a no-brainer. And also, my mom's a big fan of the guy! (2) I love Tony Todd, and I love the Candyman series. And he's just generally awesome in his other roles in horror. Glad to see a somewhat unsung hero of horror get the respect he deserves (even if it is only among the small group of us). (3) I'm only really familiar with the film versions of Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal, but those alone have become such a part of our culture, I could easily see how Thomas Harris should get the nod. He hasn't done a lot of writing, but it's quality over quantity with that guy.
3-D resurgence: Over at Gorezone.net, I read that the people looking to make the Creature from the Black Lagoon remake are considering going the 3-D route with it. But, they also say they're waiting to see how The Wolf Man does before they greenlight the Creature...feature. Sorry.
Phenomena: I haven't seen it yet (it's on a long long list of things I hope to eventually see), but I recall when Jennifer Connelly was on Late Night with Conan O'Brien talking about how awful the experience was working with that monkey.
The Friday the 13th Special Editions: Eh, it wasn't that long ago that I finally complete the set of DVDs that was just the regular editions. As much as I love the F13 series, I really couldn't see doing a triple dip (first the VHS tapes, then the DVDs), at least not right now. If they've got something really cool lined up for Jason Takes Manhattan, I may pick that one up, but for now I think I'll stick to the regular editions, and pick up His Name Was Jason (presumably when I get my next paycheck or something).
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Post by Ken Ivory on Apr 14, 2009 3:18:48 GMT -5
3D, eh? Now I can post this!!
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 14, 2009 6:00:00 GMT -5
I'm actually holding off on getting the new F13 DVD's - I'd imagine that the plan at some level is going to be a new box set collecting all of the special editions. Saving my money until that one comes out - hopefully in a nice, gimmicky box shaped like a machete. ;D As for the 3D discussion, we don't have them to ourselves by any means. Pixar/DreamWorks animated movies always do well anyway, but throw the 3D tag on it, pretty much an automatic $70 million opening weekend. Not to say that I don't enjoy the recent spate of 3D releases - My Bloody Valentine 3D was actually a damn good time. I actually liked it a bit better than the F13 remake, which I liked well enough. I know I reviewed it somewhere in the first thread. Final Destination 3D and Deep Blue Sea 3D could also be a rockin' time. One last thing, Fulci - that quote that you posted is outstanding. Said it in the review of Deep Red, but as much as I like Craven and Carpenter...being horror filmmakers were NOT their career ambitions. It just kind of worked out that way for them. Argento? Unabashedly, proudly horror. Thank you TR. Heh, it's funny you mention Carpenter. I think his career ambition these days is to play video games and smoke dobies. ;D I actually angrily agree with you, TR, on the Ft13th box set. I already own several hundred copies of the original F13th (including the newly release blu-ray one) and it burns my ass that Paramount has to have plans for a blu ray box set. Yet Paramount being Paramount they screw it up again by not including 3D on the blu ray release of 3. Could they do it for the box set? Maybe, but I don't count on anything coming from Paramount. Following our discussion on Argento yesterday I did pick up several of his films including: the argento box set ( trauma, card player, do you like hitchcock, tenebre, phenoma), mother of tears, and the blu-rays of Bird with Crystal Plummage and The Stendhal Syndrome. Plus I picked up the Hellraiser Blu-Ray and Cat in the Brain & Lizard in a Woman's Skin by my namesake, Lucio Fulci. And if I may bring up the subject of Slaughter High again. Does anyone else own the dvd release of Chopping Mall? That was also a piss poor transfer from a vhs (complete with vestron label). Yet I bought it because I don't think we're going to get a better dvd anytime soon. I think the same is true with Slaughter High.
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