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Post by parder on Jun 9, 2009 18:04:32 GMT -5
IMO give WWE a few more years and they will also branch out into MMA Back in 2006, they were interested in buying PRIDE, but they ended up being bought out by UFC instead. Since then I think Vince has gone off the idea, though Shane is said to be big MMA fan (I think he was in attendance at Lesnar's last fight). Personally, unless the McMahons ensured they had no role in the actual running of any potential MMA company they would always struggle to be taken seriously because of the pro wrestling stigma. But even then it might not be enough to avoid that.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 9, 2009 18:07:04 GMT -5
I don't see why MMA would need storylines or manufactured drama to take away audience share from WWE in the first place. It's a real sport. Football, basketball, etc. don't have any storylines yet WWE often likes to cite those as reasons for ratings drops. But here's the thing, take any two random guys from UFC, let's say Chuck Liddell and.....Random UFC guy #142, and they're in a fight. Why? Why should I care who wins or loses? Especially if a belt's not on the line? The same reason you should care about a Claudio/Jigsaw match at a show: because you want to see a good match.
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Post by Van daminator on Jun 9, 2009 18:09:33 GMT -5
.....Spankymac does know there's black people in the ufc right?If you can't tell rampage jackson and liddel apart. You're probabaly blind.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 9, 2009 18:10:46 GMT -5
But here's the thing, take any two random guys from UFC, let's say Chuck Liddell and.....Random UFC guy #142, and they're in a fight. Why? Why should I care who wins or loses? Especially if a belt's not on the line? The same reason you should care about a Claudio/Jigsaw match at a show: because you want to see a good match. But I care about a Claudio/Jigsaw match in...let's say Chikara, because that's the only fed I know both are regulars in of late, I care because I know the full story of Claudio/Jigsaw, how they feuded when Claudio was in the Kings of Wrestling and Jigsaw was reppin' Chikara, and their entire BACKSTORY is factored into the match, it isn't just "these guys go out and fight" like in UFC.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 9, 2009 18:11:18 GMT -5
I don't see why MMA would need storylines or manufactured drama to take away audience share from WWE in the first place. It's a real sport. Football, basketball, etc. don't have any storylines yet WWE often likes to cite those as reasons for ratings drops. But here's the thing, take any two random guys from UFC, let's say Chuck Liddell and.....Random UFC guy #142, and they're in a fight. Why? Why should I care who wins or loses? Especially if a belt's not on the line? I get what you are saying, but I don't think most people compare pro wrestling to MMA, due to the fact that MMA is a REAL FIGHT. It's like comparing boxing to pro wrestling. Two entirely different entities. When I watch MMA, I'm not looking for characters, or unique looking guys because everything is based around who can beat who in a legit shoot. The only time I ever hear the average person compare the two at all is the fact that one is "fake" and one is "real." I prefer watching wrestling because it entertains me and MMA largely does not (same reason I always preferred wrestling to boxing as a kid). Yet there are always going to be a large amount of people who will watch MMA over wrestling because wrestling is "fake." It doesn't matter to them that the Undertaker is a cool character or that Chris Jericho could talk circles around the average MMA guy.
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Post by Krimzon on Jun 9, 2009 18:12:52 GMT -5
I don't see why MMA would need storylines or manufactured drama to take away audience share from WWE in the first place. It's a real sport. Football, basketball, etc. don't have any storylines yet WWE often likes to cite those as reasons for ratings drops. But here's the thing, take any two random guys from UFC, let's say Chuck Liddell and.....Random UFC guy #142, and they're in a fight. Why? Why should I care who wins or loses? Especially if a belt's not on the line? The same exact reason you get in wrestling. You want a good outing. During the match, things progress and you decide who you want to win. And the winner usually moves up in the rankings in order to get a title match against that division's champion. And drama/rivalries DO form in the UFC. Tito Ortiz/Ken Shamrock was one of the biggest. Matt Serra/Matt Hughes is another one. Liddell vs. Couture was a BIG one. 1 fight can start an intesne rivalry. Fans foam at the mouth to get another one. I'd kill for another Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin based off of a single fight they had.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 9, 2009 18:13:13 GMT -5
.....Spankymac does know there's black people in the ufc right?If you can't tell rampage jackson and liddel apart. You're probabaly blind. Obviously I can tell a black guy from a white guy, but frankly, take any of the guys from the same ethnic background, and I can't tell them apart. If you put "Rampage" Jackson next to any of his black contemporaries in UFC, I wouldn't be able to tell which is which. Same thing if you put any two white UFC fighters next to each other and asked me to tell you which is which. That's a bad thing, a very bad thing.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 9, 2009 18:17:18 GMT -5
Did people actually read the article? All she is saying is that MMA is much more prone to losing stars, which makes it harder for them to make stars. Meanwhile, WWE can repackage it's stars, and they're more likely to stay healthy. I don't disagree with it, you should have heard Meltzer when Cro Cop lost to Gonzaga you'd have thought someone ran over his dog. He had this whole thing about when guys are in position for big money fights they should take on tomato cans. You could completely see his pro wrestling love come through during it. And the WWE has always been steadfast in saying MMA is not competition.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 9, 2009 18:20:25 GMT -5
Are you sure? You could have said the same about Dana, really. "Donna Goldsmith Donna Goldsmith has been a Director of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. since November 2008 and has served as WWE's Chief Operating Officer since December 2008. Prior to becoming COO, Ms. Goldsmith served as Executive Vice President of Consumer Products overseeing WWE's global Merchandise, Licensing, Book and Magazine Publishing and DVD businesses as well as WWEShop.com, the company’s e-commerce website. Ms. Goldsmith worked for the NBA before joining WWE in July 2000." From the WWE Corporate website I don't see why MMA would need storylines or manufactured drama to take away audience share from WWE in the first place. It's a real sport. Football, basketball, etc. don't have any storylines yet WWE often likes to cite those as reasons for ratings drops. I don't know, NFL, NBA, etc have some rather good storylines, it's just not scripted. It's seasons after seasons of rivalries, disgruntled fans, etc etc.
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Post by Van daminator on Jun 9, 2009 18:20:28 GMT -5
A picture says a thousand words..So here is why people watch MMA. Why do people watch america's funniest home videos?To see people get hurt.That's why people watch MMA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 18:28:45 GMT -5
What an ignorant statement. Of course there's no storylines, it's a legitimate competition. It's not a drama. Stars? Eh, okay, I'll give you that. There's few MMA guys that are recognizable to those not in the know. Is wrestling that much different though? Could a non-fan run you down the card? I doubt it, but people like Cena are "larger" than MMA guys get large imo.
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Post by DamnYankee on Jun 9, 2009 18:32:32 GMT -5
Dude, the ONLY MMA/UFC guy I could pick out of a lineup would be Brock Lesnar, and that was because of his WWE run. All the rest are just a bunch of shaved head, tribal tat sportin' bags of generic. Bob Lashley says Hello there! Yeah, but Lashley's another WWE-marketed guy. Other than he and Lesnar, most people may not be able to tell apart most MMA fighters.
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Post by rawthentic on Jun 9, 2009 18:34:17 GMT -5
I don't see why MMA would need storylines or manufactured drama to take away audience share from WWE in the first place. It's a real sport. Football, basketball, etc. don't have any storylines yet WWE often likes to cite those as reasons for ratings drops. But here's the thing, take any two random guys from UFC, let's say Chuck Liddell and.....Random UFC guy #142, and they're in a fight. Why? Why should I care who wins or loses? Especially if a belt's not on the line? Rankings. I don't know why WWE is always trying to bring down the UFC. I mean, i see why, but UFC is real competition. WWE is not. If i want to see entertainers, storylines, and artificial drama, i'll watch WWE....and i do. If i want to watch real fighters,real competition, and real drama....i'll watch MMA and Boxing...and i do. It's not the same thing. WWE is still in a league of their own in wrestling. MMA will always have the real competition and real drama over pro wrestling. The dumbest thing MMA promoters could do is start fixing fights and shoving stars down people's throat instead of the best man winning and the best fighters moving to the top. I hear so many wrestling fans, even Jim Cornette say UFC should stop with the "real" aspect if they are to get more interested because a lot of fights are boring. That just means MMA is not for you and you should stick to watching wrestling if mixed martial arts bores you if it's not a slug fest. Also, UFC has real stars. Proof? they don't need to throw all their biggest names all on one card to destroy or match the average WWE buyrate. They only need one or two. Anderson Silva, GSP, BJ Penn, Rampage Jackson, Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin, Matt Hughes, etc. Fighters always come up. They don't need a good gimmick, or mic skills to get over. They just need to beat top guys and people care. Donna's arguement would work. If MMA was staged.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 9, 2009 18:36:57 GMT -5
If you've watched alot of wrestling MMA is boring, fake fighting is more exciting than real fighting, especially when you get 2 guys that just wanna roll around on the mat.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 9, 2009 18:41:58 GMT -5
Chuck Lidell, Brock Lesnar, Randy Coulture, Quintin Jackson, Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, Don Frye, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, among others say hi.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Jun 9, 2009 18:42:46 GMT -5
If you've watched alot of wrestling MMA is boring, fake fighting is more exciting than real fighting, especially when you get 2 guys that just wanna roll around on the mat. Was the other way around for me actually, MMA is a breath of fresh air for me.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Jun 9, 2009 18:43:12 GMT -5
IMO give WWE a few more years and they will also branch out into MMA WWE can't viably branch out into MMA. Everyone would be screaming "fix" from the word go. For further proof, take a gander at EliteXC's very quick demise.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 9, 2009 18:43:57 GMT -5
If you've watched alot of wrestling MMA is boring, fake fighting is more exciting than real fighting, especially when you get 2 guys that just wanna roll around on the mat. Was the other way around for me actually, MMA is a breath of fresh air for me. When you get 2 guys that just wanna lay on the mat it makes me wanna nap, I just can't watch guys like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 18:47:12 GMT -5
Was the other way around for me actually, MMA is a breath of fresh air for me. When you get 2 guys that just wanna lay on the mat it makes me wanna nap, I just can't watch guys like that. Do you have a similar aversion to mat-based wrestling matches? Honestly, many MMA casuals hate technical struggles too. If you can't appreciate the technique involved, it's quite boring.
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Post by rawthentic on Jun 9, 2009 18:47:41 GMT -5
IMO give WWE a few more years and they will also branch out into MMA WWE can't viably branch out into MMA. Everyone would be screaming "fix" from the word go. For further proof, take a gander at EliteXC's very quick demise. Exactly. That was MMA trying to shove a star down people's throats and people immediatley assumed it was a fix, and for the most part, it was. WWE just needs to stick to pro wrestling and not worry about mixed martial arts. It's a different product. I don't sit there watching UFC 98 thinking this is so much better than wrestling. It's two different things. The sooner WWE realizes that they can't stop the young adult demographic who grew up during the Attitude era from turning over to watching real combat sports, the better off they'll be. I think they realized that a tad going to the kiddie era, even if they don't admit it, they probably would not find MMA that exciting as well.
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