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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2008 12:10:32 GMT -5
"You know what man, forget what I just posted. Forget the whole thing. It won't matter anyway. I quit. You guys are either going to enjoy the product or you aren't." I typed the above just after I added the previous post about the 1.18 and yes that was a typo whoever said so thank you. Again I quit. You will like it and stop waiting for it to fall apart or you will hate it and post your hatred here. I waste my time in here. I endevor to find an actual TNA fans site and will check in here periodically  Sorry...just seemed appropriate... ;D |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 22, 2008 14:12:20 GMT -5
"You know what man, forget what I just posted. Forget the whole thing. It won't matter anyway. I quit. You guys are either going to enjoy the product or you aren't." I typed the above just after I added the previous post about the 1.18 and yes that was a typo whoever said so thank you. Again I quit. You will like it and stop waiting for it to fall apart or you will hate it and post your hatred here. I waste my time in here. I endevor to find an actual TNA fans site and will check in here periodically Sorry...just seemed appropriate... ;D i'd have chosen something a little more subtle, like this...  |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 22, 2008 14:36:14 GMT -5
Well it's time once again for the weekly ICBM "1. ratings are actually good things" post. As mentioned once a week since Impact was expanded to two hours ICBM likes to remind the good folks who watch TNA because they like it and those who watch it just to critacise alike, that consistantly drawing a million viewers per episode in the 18-35 male demographic is what advertisers want in a platform. Oh my gosh TNA Impact regularly draws over a million viewers in the 18-35 male demo. Wow that is terrible just terrible how can Jeff Jarret and Dixie Carter live with themselves in thier mansions with such horrible ratings every week? maybe its because of the fact that the younger talent, such as AJ Styles, are at lower position now than they were three years ago because TNA brought in WWE wrestlers to "boost" the ratings, yet the ratings have not gone up? they have though, they used to get .8-.9 now they are at 1.0-1.1 that's a good rise |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2008 14:44:49 GMT -5
maybe its because of the fact that the younger talent, such as AJ Styles, are at lower position now than they were three years ago because TNA brought in WWE wrestlers to "boost" the ratings, yet the ratings have not gone up? they have though, they used to get .8-.9 now they are at 1.0-1.1 that's a good rise Some would argue that those numbers are actually more of a reflection of Impact moving into prime time rather than the acquisitions of Kurt Angle, Booker T, Kevin Nash, and so on. |
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Post by donners on Dec 27, 2008 16:36:50 GMT -5
Incidentally, Meltzer is reporting the rating for this show at 1.17, which makes this whole discussion rather moot.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 27, 2008 17:16:30 GMT -5
Funny watching people who never gotten 5 people to watch them on TV insulting a company that gets more than 1.5 million people to watch every week. It's cute.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2008 21:04:16 GMT -5
Funny watching people who never gotten 5 people to watch them on TV insulting a company that gets more than 1.5 million people to watch every week. It's cute. See, this is what I mean. Some people like TNA too much that they're bitter towards criticism. I hate to bring WWE into it, but I doubt I'd see anybody who made fun of WWE's ratings by using the "How many people watch you every week" logic. Truth is, their rating HAS been at the same level no matter what they've done. Obviously some thing or things need to change. Drastically. |
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Post by ICBM on Dec 27, 2008 21:22:47 GMT -5
Funny watching people who never gotten 5 people to watch them on TV insulting a company that gets more than 1.5 million people to watch every week. It's cute. See, this is what I mean. Some people like TNA to much that they're bitter towards criticism. I hate to bring WWE into it, but I doubt I'd see anybody who made fun of WWE's ratings by using the "How many people watch you every week" logic. Truth is, their rating HAS been at the same level no matter what they've done. Obviously some thing or things need to change. Drastically. Umm...the aformentioned rise in ratings means that slowley but surely they are raising and having more than a million viewers to your product no matter what kind of show it is, measns you have a stable platform and advertisers are attracted to that. Dropping less than a point for one episode while pro football was on another channel does not spell the end of the world for TNA. And as far as anyone in here being somehow wrong for enjoying TNA, being loyal and defending it let me say this. It is because of the mass blind hatred of TNA and the continued brow beating they get en mass. We who defend the promotion shouldn't be held to ridicule because we enjoy the product. Just as I did when WCW and WWE were booking horrible shows, I look to what is right about Impact and enjoy it for what it is. People enjoyed ECW the same way back in the mid-late 90's and now that they are gone fans look back and recount how cool it was to watch Raven come back and beat the Dudley's with Tommy Dreamer. If an ECW critic back then panned thier every move than they'd have missed the significance of the moment when it happened. Right now the booking for the MEM/Frontline angle is textbook and it's working. This I will remember and I will remember how everyweek I looked forward to a wrestling show for the first time since like 2003. Enjoyed it. Find what it is on the show that appeals to you and revel in that. I apoogize to anyone who I may have alienated or pissed off with some of my replies recently but I am not alone in feeling this strongly about TNA and I just felt that I should do my part to defend it |
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2008 22:27:24 GMT -5
See, this is what I mean. Some people like TNA to much that they're bitter towards criticism. I hate to bring WWE into it, but I doubt I'd see anybody who made fun of WWE's ratings by using the "How many people watch you every week" logic. Truth is, their rating HAS been at the same level no matter what they've done. Obviously some thing or things need to change. Drastically. Umm...the aformentioned rise in ratings means that slowley but surely they are raising and having more than a million viewers to your product no matter what kind of show it is, measns you have a stable platform and advertisers are attracted to that. Dropping less than a point for one episode while pro football was on another channel does not spell the end of the world for TNA. And as far as anyone in here being somehow wrong for enjoying TNA, being loyal and defending it let me say this. It is because of the mass blind hatred of TNA and the continued brow beating they get en mass. We who defend the promotion shouldn't be held to ridicule because we enjoy the product. Just as I did when WCW and WWE were booking horrible shows, I look to what is right about Impact and enjoy it for what it is. People enjoyed ECW the same way back in the mid-late 90's and now that they are gone fans look back and recount how cool it was to watch Raven come back and beat the Dudley's with Tommy Dreamer. If an ECW critic back then panned thier every move than they'd have missed the significance of the moment when it happened. Right now the booking for the MEM/Frontline angle is textbook and it's working. This I will remember and I will remember how everyweek I looked forward to a wrestling show for the first time since like 2003. Enjoyed it. Find what it is on the show that appeals to you and revel in that. I apoogize to anyone who I may have alienated or pissed off with some of my replies recently but I am not alone in feeling this strongly about TNA and I just felt that I should do my part to defend it You come off as a vigilante with the whole "doing your part to defend it" spiel. It's just wrestling, man. I watch TNA all the time. My favorite parts of the show are usually the X-Division matches, except for when the matches are rushed and without meaning... with a run-in most likely. Nobody ever said it was wrong to be a TNA fan, so I don't see where that comes from. I've paid money for TNA PPV's before, and I have bought one of their DVDs, so I can say I have put money into that company out of my pocket out of enjoyment and interest and in return I'm sure it's safe to say I am also a fan, just like you are. I don't see how making criticism of the company makes me any less of a fan because I don't have a blind loyalty to it. I notice their problems, and I bring them up. It doesn't offend me when people question why I think that way, but it does irk me when the same people just dismiss someone's opinion as "blind TNA hatred" because it doesn't kiss TNA's ass out of loyalty towards one brand. I watch more WWE than I do TNA, but I watch wrestling whenever it's on, so that's defacto, of course. I don't stop watching because there are some gems on the show that come out of the constant overbooking and horrible announcing. Open your mind, man. |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 28, 2008 1:14:33 GMT -5
Funny watching people who never gotten 5 people to watch them on TV insulting a company that gets more than 1.5 million people to watch every week. It's cute. I'll have you know that well over 5 people have seen various pieces I've put together! No less than 30, in fact! ;D |
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2008 8:49:34 GMT -5
Funny watching people who never gotten 5 people to watch them on TV insulting a company that gets more than 1.5 million people to watch every week. It's cute. So you never criticize anything unless you've done it more successfully than the originator? Never expressed dislike for a movie without having a major blockbuster distributed by Miramax? Never shown distaste for a TV show without having a top-rated cable broadcast? Never stated disappointment in a restaurant meal without having graduated top of your class from Le Cordon Bleu? How quaint. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 28, 2008 13:53:05 GMT -5
Metylerca: I criticize as much as anyone, and enjoy the criticism. What I don't like is when people, who have never done ANYTHING in their life, somehow feel they are superior to the entire product. It's just a sort of arrogance that I see in certain posts. Not from you or anything.
People feel the need to defend TNA because some people go out of their way to insult everything about it, and do get sensitive to the same old criticisms over and over.
Hawk40: Criticism is one thing. But just mocking every aspect of it? Oh they only got a 1.12 this week, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT SUCKS, that's why. That is what gets annoying. By all means people should criticize all they want, but when obviously they want it to fail, and point out a lose of .08 in ratings, it's just annoying.
Hollywood: Make that 31! I'd hire you anyday to book my promotion.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2008 15:11:54 GMT -5
Hawk40: Criticism is one thing. But just mocking every aspect of it? Oh they only got a 1.12 this week, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT SUCKS, that's why. That is what gets annoying. By all means people should criticize all they want, but when obviously they want it to fail, and point out a lose of .08 in ratings, it's just annoying. Hey, blind is blind. TNA attracts many of both types, those that bash it incessantly without giving it the time of day or ever watching a show and those that get butthurt whenever anyone says anything that isn't glowing about it and refuse to even listen to anything anyone says could be different. It doesn't matter if you're a janitor, a 12-year-old, or a CEO, you have the same right to comment about it. People are going to point out a .08 drop because there are others praising every .08 gain. One person at one point (don't remember whom, wouldn't name them if I could) remarked on how stellar it was that TNA went from a 1.0 to a 1.1 or something like that one week while WWE lost a half point from the week before. People are praising and exaggerating their ratings whenever they move up, so people are going to do so when they go down, even though the difference between a 1.0 and a 1.2 is virtually negligible. Personally, I think you should watch if you are going to comment on angles or anything pertaining to the in-ring events, and don't necessarily need to if you're commenting on business or ratings or things of that nature. |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 28, 2008 17:25:54 GMT -5
Hollywood: Make that 31! I'd hire you anyday to book my promotion. Hey! I said 31 was the lowest! I've had well over a thousand at times. Which, I believe, puts my ratings right about the same level as TNA. ;D |
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Post by ICBM on Dec 28, 2008 19:34:44 GMT -5
toodarkmark my Russian heel brother thank you for reiforcing what I was saying. As much as I and others "blindly" defend TNA it is to couter the seeming non-stop "blind" hatred we see here. For the last time they have come along way in 7 years and I have enjoyed watching thier progress. It is the small steps as much as the big ones, that define a growing company in any endevour. This is a smaller promotion that has grown by leaps and bounds and I think they should be applauded for it. Hit them with criticism all you like, I just want folks to consider that on this topic (ratings) it is but one piece and frankly a minor one. If they were in direct competition with another promotion say if ROH has a Thursday night show on Versus than by all means ratings would be a great measuring stick. But If folks are set on comparing TNA to every promotion past or present (and using ratings as a measuring stick is tenemount to doing just that ala monday night wars) than I think that is short sighted. So to you that tell me to open my mind I say to you please do the same
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 28, 2008 21:49:33 GMT -5
toodarkmark my Russian heel brother thank you for reiforcing what I was saying. As much as I and others "blindly" defend TNA it is to couter the seeming non-stop "blind" hatred we see here. For the last time they have come along way in 7 years and I have enjoyed watching thier progress. It is the small steps as much as the big ones, that define a growing company in any endevour. This is a smaller promotion that has grown by leaps and bounds and I think they should be applauded for it. Hit them with criticism all you like, I just want folks to consider that on this topic (ratings) it is but one piece and frankly a minor one. If they were in direct competition with another promotion say if ROH has a Thursday night show on Versus than by all means ratings would be a great measuring stick. But If folks are set on comparing TNA to every promotion past or present (and using ratings as a measuring stick is tenemount to doing just that ala monday night wars) than I think that is short sighted. So to you that tell me to open my mind I say to you please do the same Should we form a faction? I'm sure we could get Boris Zhukov in it. Let's call it.... Pravda Foundation. Pravda Express? Pravda Inc? I got it! Russians #1. Is it something about 80's Russian heel marks that makes us defend the underdog no matter what? Hmmmmmmmm! |
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Post by donners on Dec 28, 2008 22:35:26 GMT -5
I do get tired of all the criticism of TNA as well. God knows it has flaws, and it frustrates me as much as anyone - but that's because I enjoy many things about TNA, and want them to be better. A lot of the criticism seems to be quite mean-spirited. If people go into a show wanting or expecting to hate it, they'll find plenty of reasons to do so.
The funniest thing about this thread is that so many conclusions and arguments were based on the false report of the rating.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 29, 2008 19:20:53 GMT -5
I do get tired of all the criticism of TNA as well. God knows it has flaws, and it frustrates me as much as anyone - but that's because I enjoy many things about TNA, and want them to be better. A lot of the criticism seems to be quite mean-spirited. If people go into a show wanting or expecting to hate it, they'll find plenty of reasons to do so. The funniest thing about this thread is that so many conclusions and arguments were based on the false report of the rating. Thats pretty much the gist of it. The ones that really like TNA are the ones the most disappointed in their booking mistakes, their thrown together shows, and their complete inability to book the end of great, great PPVs. It just seems like every time a major TNA complaint is squashed, 3 or 4 come up in it's place. It's useless trying to defend the product, because it will get nitpicked to death anyway. People hated it when Angle was a goofy heel and AJ was his barely wrestling 2nd rate lackey, begging them to book AJ as a serious contender and Angle as a crazy wrestling machine. Well, now AJ has been built as a serious contender with his clean sweep of Angle who has returned to his batshit crazy heel ways. And it's still a bash-fest. It's not going to change, so why bother? |
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 30, 2008 2:33:42 GMT -5
the thing I hate about threads like these is the fact people throw the term "constructive criticism." It can't be constructive if the people you're complaining about can't read/hear what you're saying. If you want to complain, that's your right, but you aren't helping anyone by doing so.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 30, 2008 4:57:21 GMT -5
People complaining about people complaining...very zen.
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