|
Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 29, 2008 11:19:34 GMT -5
|
|
The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
Posts: 37,304
|
Post by The Ichi on Dec 29, 2008 11:24:21 GMT -5
Fair enough if he did actually grab him and spin him around (although I don't know if that warrants a punch), but everything's still heresay for now.
|
|
|
Post by B'Cup x on Dec 29, 2008 11:33:47 GMT -5
Aries will be okay because he has workrate, obviously if Batista hit a fan he would be banged up for life
|
|
Hiroshi Hase
Patti Mayonnaise
The Good Ol' Days
Posts: 30,755
|
Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 29, 2008 12:06:57 GMT -5
Fair enough if he did actually grab him and spin him around (although I don't know if that warrants a punch), but everything's still heresay for now. It can be seen as physical provocation, if he had just yelled at him Aries could just keep on walking to the back.
|
|
|
Post by MGH on Dec 29, 2008 12:08:41 GMT -5
Fair enough if he did actually grab him and spin him around (although I don't know if that warrants a punch), but everything's still heresay for now. At this point every report I've seen where the people had a clear view have said the guy physically provoked Austin first, then topping it off as Lone Ranger said with this guy running all over the internet blabbing his story to anyone who will listen... The guy just seems to have zero case now. Probably has himself to blame for it.
|
|
|
Post by LCR, Formerly Blue Nova on Dec 29, 2008 12:32:22 GMT -5
1. Nobody can confirm that picture is the guy from Final Battle. 2. This story just keeps getting more and more salacious. 3. There are statements in his account that make some assumptions -- i.e. "My wallet was stolen too by them because they let my freind inside to get my coat and a ROH guy already had gone thru it." If he wasn't in the venue, how can he assert that it was an ROH official that stole his wallet? 4. I find it disconcerting that he went immediately to tell us internet marks about the incident rather than, y'know, filling out a police report. I'm sure the NYPD would have gotten statements, gotten him his coat, his wallet, his DVD's, etc. and then there would be a record of the complaint on file which would make his lawsuit much easier to allege damages that took place at the show. 5. Any lawyer worth his salt would tell his client to STFU and keep the information for court. Why would anybody hoping to have a successful suit and collect a settlement give out all his facts to the entire world on the internet?
If I remember correctly, DOI has had an anti-Gabe/anti-ROH sentiment for a while now. So, it isn't surprising to me that they would be the ones to break this story.
As for saying Aries behaved unprofessionally, let's remember this is his job. It is our entertainment but this is what pays the bills for him at the expense of keeping him from his friends and family.
At best from appearances and perspectives that are out there, this kid was deliberately attempting to be as difficult and personal as possible. There is giving heel heat to people, booing them, yelling profanity, telling them they suck et al. but it is something entirely different to sit there and say things simply meant to piss off the talent. There are just certain lines you do not cross and that includes bringing in people who are not in storylines and trying to bring their personal lives into the fantasy kayfabe world of wrestling.
At worst, this kid physically assaulted Aries -- some people said he gave Aries a chop, others have said that he turned Aries around -- and deserved to get plastered. You don't put your hands on a wrestler in that fashion and then not expect to get drilled.
We all work jobs too. While it is one thing to get criticized by customers for not doing your job well, it would be something entirely different if one of those criticizing customers brought our personal lives into their commentary just to upset us. Just reading these boards since I've been here lurking, I've read peoples' responses wanting to get into fights for much less than what was said to Aries.
It is easy to sit here and say that Aries should have acted more professionally but let's also remember the kid did not respect the same sort of boundaries. Two wrongs may not make a right but I have a very difficult time faulting Aries for his actions here, even if the fan did not put his hands on Aries as other witnesses have claimed.
|
|
|
Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 29, 2008 12:38:39 GMT -5
That eye looks a bit fake to me. According to every report I've seen, he initiated the physicality while saying what would be classified as "fighting words" in a legal sense. So he has no leg to stand on. Plus hte fact that he went to the web first and more specifically, DOI, further makes him look like an idiot. I swear some fans think they can solve all the world's problems by posting on a message board. And there are quite a few laughable posts in this thread. There is no court of law that will stand behind someone that punched someone in the face and broke his orbital socket because the victim used "fighting words"...Thats ridiculous... I don't know about other places but, at least here in Texas, if someone makes what you perceive to be a threat of any kind (physical or verbal) you have every right to defend yourself legally. While you can be tried civilly, criminally you're not liable.
|
|
|
Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 29, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -5
Based on this post, I am assuming that the fan did not hit Aries (there are obviously two sides to the story, so I am sure my perspective will change based on the info). Aries will be in big trouble for this if the fan did not throw punches. You just cannot do that to a fan, regardless of whether they are an asshole or not. You are a pro wrestler who is supposed to deal with stuff like this. Completely unacceptable. Well all we know is his side of the story. But from what he sounds like. He was taking personal attacks at Austin. He said he wanted to date his GF and before the show he ask where she was. Which that what he said, now I'm sure there more to that. Austin side I'm sure would be different. Then it will become who side do you believe? Austin been around long enough he enough to know better. Come on guys, He had to say something or did something to set him off. But the man who got attack is not about to tell those kinds of things if he said he going to sue.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Dec 29, 2008 13:13:27 GMT -5
Fair enough if he did actually grab him and spin him around (although I don't know if that warrants a punch), but everything's still heresay for now. It's heresy?! Aries certainly won't be expecting some sort of Spanis-
|
|
The Line
Patti Mayonnaise
Real Name: Bumkiss. Stanley Bumkiss.
Peanut Butter & JAAAAAMMMM!
Posts: 36,698
|
Post by The Line on Dec 29, 2008 13:33:56 GMT -5
1. Nobody can confirm that picture is the guy from Final Battle. 2. This story just keeps getting more and more salacious. 3. There are statements in his account that make some assumptions -- i.e. "My wallet was stolen too by them because they let my freind inside to get my coat and a ROH guy already had gone thru it." If he wasn't in the venue, how can he assert that it was an ROH official that stole his wallet? 4. I find it disconcerting that he went immediately to tell us internet marks about the incident rather than, y'know, filling out a police report. I'm sure the NYPD would have gotten statements, gotten him his coat, his wallet, his DVD's, etc. and then there would be a record of the complaint on file which would make his lawsuit much easier to allege damages that took place at the show. 5. Any lawyer worth his salt would tell his client to STFU and keep the information for court. Why would anybody hoping to have a successful suit and collect a settlement give out all his facts to the entire world on the internet? If I remember correctly, DOI has had an anti-Gabe/anti-ROH sentiment for a while now. So, it isn't surprising to me that they would be the ones to break this story. As for saying Aries behaved unprofessionally, let's remember this is his job. It is our entertainment but this is what pays the bills for him at the expense of keeping him from his friends and family. At best from appearances and perspectives that are out there, this kid was deliberately attempting to be as difficult and personal as possible. There is giving heel heat to people, booing them, yelling profanity, telling them they suck et al. but it is something entirely different to sit there and say things simply meant to piss off the talent. There are just certain lines you do not cross and that includes bringing in people who are not in storylines and trying to bring their personal lives into the fantasy kayfabe world of wrestling. At worst, this kid physically assaulted Aries -- some people said he gave Aries a chop, others have said that he turned Aries around -- and deserved to get plastered. You don't put your hands on a wrestler in that fashion and then not expect to get drilled. We all work jobs too. While it is one thing to get criticized by customers for not doing your job well, it would be something entirely different if one of those criticizing customers brought our personal lives into their commentary just to upset us. Just reading these boards since I've been here lurking, I've read peoples' responses wanting to get into fights for much less than what was said to Aries. It is easy to sit here and say that Aries should have acted more professionally but let's also remember the kid did not respect the same sort of boundaries. Two wrongs may not make a right but I have a very difficult time faulting Aries for his actions here, even if the fan did not put his hands on Aries as other witnesses have claimed. One of the best posts I've read in this thread. Seriously, if someone came into my job and said "this latte sucks", I'd be mad, but I'd just make them another one and go along with my day. However, if someone said "Your mother gives great head", I'd possibly do something physical.
|
|
|
Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Dec 29, 2008 13:35:31 GMT -5
I was there Saturday night, in the first (lower) balcony, in the third row center directly across from the entrance. I saw the whole thing. Someone grabbed Aries (I was too far to identify the person) and Aries went after him. After that it was a fiasco.
|
|
|
Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 29, 2008 13:36:30 GMT -5
Fair enough if he did actually grab him and spin him around (although I don't know if that warrants a punch), but everything's still heresay for now. It's heresy?! Aries certainly won't be expecting some sort of Spanis- i was honestly not expecting that
|
|
|
Post by suntannedsuperman on Dec 29, 2008 13:40:22 GMT -5
DOI DOI DOI!
|
|
KLRA
El Dandy
Halt. I am Reptar.
Posts: 7,591
|
Post by KLRA on Dec 29, 2008 13:58:14 GMT -5
There is legal precedent behind using "fighting words" and a defense. So you can defend by physically assaulting someone? Show me some proof or a court case...This is news to me...and if so im decking everyone I know that says one verbally offensive word to me from now on... I don't want to stray to far into politics with this one...but there are actually a bunch of supreme court cases where "fighting words" has been laid out and established. They go from something as large as a burning cross in the yard to saying something that a 'normal person' would take extreme offense to and is likely to instigate violence. In the State of New York, if the following happened: 1- Before the event and the establishment of 'kayfabe' the fan went up to Austin and said things to him about his real life girlfriend that bordered on vulgar and obscene; 2- During said event he continued to demean Aries' real life girlfriend that goes beyond what is normally said at events (i.e. direct pointed personal attacks); 3- The fan put his hands on Austin in a way that a normal person would expect a physical attack on his person (not to mention one that just took part in a scripted fighting enviroment) Then the fan has no case, and a judge in the State of New York would probably tell the fan that he had it coming. Not to mention the following hasn't happened yet: a) The fan has not filed a police report as of this writing. If he had filed a police report immediately that night then the police would have confiscated all video footage of the night in question in order to build their case. Ring of Honor can do whatever they want with the footage now, including "lose it." b) By his own words continued to harass the staff of Ring of Honor after being ejected from the arena instead of seeking prudent medical attention. This is a big one actually, as it goes to show that he didn't care about his own personal well being. c) Went on to the internet and posted detailed accounts of what happened, potentionally contaminating any jury pool, and also putting his words and actions of the account into the public domain so that they may be used against him. If I were to be Aries'/RoH's attorney in this matter (which I'm not, I'm just a liscenced paralegal in the State of New York who is currently working on his Juris Doctor to become a full fledged personal attorney), that is how I would approach the case. It's completely open and shut that the fan went beyond what is acceptable behavior as a fan, and brought what happened upon himself. Now, I am not condoning Aries' actions in any way, shape, or form. As not only a 'professional' but as one of the leaders in the locker room he should be setting a better example in restraint, and also professionalism. Now we all have our bad days and things get to us a bit more, but this was completely unprofessional and out of line. Just that he has the law on his side in this instance.
|
|
|
Post by Throwback on Dec 29, 2008 14:32:10 GMT -5
it's spelled pretentious. I'm just kidding around
|
|
|
Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 29, 2008 15:46:44 GMT -5
On a side note, as I've been reading this thread I can't help but call this guy Buckethead Wendy. If he'd start acting right he'd stop getting hit.
|
|
|
Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 29, 2008 18:44:45 GMT -5
Well I'm just saying that if the fan did touch ares and spin him around then yeah he got what he deserved.
Making fun of someone's girlfriend because of wrestling doesn't mean that you should punch the guy, because I remember when niles young headbutted that fan because the fan was giving his valet heat not knowing they were engaged. Sure there are differences between the two things, but everyone came down on niles and now people are softening up to aries even though they practically did the same thing.
So yeah if the fan grabbed aries then he deserved to get decked, if not then aries is an asshole.
|
|
|
Post by Shy Guy on Dec 29, 2008 18:46:08 GMT -5
it'd be awesome if all he gets out of this is a dvd of FB08
|
|
|
Post by invaderdave on Dec 29, 2008 18:50:40 GMT -5
it'd be awesome if all he gets out of this is a dvd of FB08 "And as a reminder, go to chapter 5 to remember how f***ing stupid you've been."
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,127
|
Post by Mozenrath on Dec 29, 2008 20:26:55 GMT -5
There is no court of law that will stand behind someone that punched someone in the face and broke his orbital socket because the victim used "fighting words"...Thats ridiculous... I don't know about other places but, at least here in Texas, if someone makes what you perceive to be a threat of any kind (physical or verbal) you have every right to defend yourself legally. While you can be tried civilly, criminally you're not liable. Yep. If a fan spun me or grabbed me, I'd deck him. Want to know why? How do you know if he has a knife or anything? I'm not risking it, personally.
|
|