Tournament NonAmericana Part 6

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Johnny Smith advances.

Kensuke Sasake

Hometown: Japan
Height & Weight: 5'10" - 270lbs
Previous Gimmicks: Power Warrior
Finishing Move: Power Special

# WWC Caribbean Tag Team titles w/Mr. Pogo defeating Miguel Perez Jr. & Hurricane Castillo Jr. (January 14, 1989);
# WWC Caribbean Tag Team titles w/Mr. Pogo defeating Miguel Perez Jr. & Hurricane Castillo Jr. (April 1, 1989);
# Stampede International Tag Team titles w/Sumo Hara defeating Kerry & Bob Brown (August 18, 1989);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Hiroshi Hase defeating Masahiro Chono & Keiji Mutoh (November 1, 1990);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Hiroshi Hase defeating Hiro Saito & Super Strong Machine (March 6, 1991);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Road Warrior Hawk defeating Tony Halme & Scott Norton (December 14, 1992);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Road Warrior Hawk defeating Hercules Hernandez & Scott Norton (January 4, 1994);
# WCW United States Heavyweight title defeating Sting (November 13, 1995);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Riki Choshu defeating Kengo Kimura & Tatsumi Fujinami (April 12, 1997);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Kazuo Yamazaki defeating Manabu Nakanishi & Satoshi Kojima (August 10, 1997);
# IWGP Heavyweight title defeating Shinya Hashimoto (August 31, 1997);
# IWGP Tag Team titles w/Shiro Koshinaka defeating Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan (March 22, 1999);
# IWGP Heavyweight title defeating Genichiro Tenryu (January 4, 2000);
# IWGP Heavyweight title defeating Toshiaki Kawada [Tournament] (January 4, 2001);
# World Magma the Greatest title defeating Kenzo Suzuki [Tournament] (July 20, 2003);
# HCW (Hawaii) Kamehameha Heritage Heavyweight title defeating Lopaka (January 10, 2004);
# HCW (Hawaii) Kekaulike Heritage Tag Team titles w/Kenjiro Katahira defeating Ahuna & Akua (January 17, 2004);
# IWGP Heavyweight title defeating Hiroyoshi Tenzan (March 12, 2004);
# Michinoku Pro Tohoku Tag Team titles w/Katsuhiko Nakajima defeating Jinsei Shinzaki & Ultimo Dragon (September 10, 2004);
# IWGP Heavyweight title defeating Kazuyuki Fujita (October 9, 2004);
# AJPW All Asia Tag Team titles w/Katsuhiko Nakajima defeating Brother Yasshi & Shuji Kondo (July 26, 2005);
# AJPW (All Japan) Unified Triple Crown Heavyweight title defeating Minoru Suzuki (August 26, 2007);

# October 6, 2002: Kensuke Sasaki announced he was quitting New Japan (many think he will join Riki Choshu's new promotion)..
# January 04, 2004--New Japan Pro Wrestling: Yuji Nagata beat Kensuke Sasaki in a bloodbath..
# Early 2004: Kensuke Sasaki for Don Muraco's Hawaii Championship Wrestling and wins their Heavyweight championship..
# July 21, 2004--Hawaiian Champi0nship Wrestling: Kensuke Sasaki defeated Kaimana to retain the HCW title.. ..
# October 9, 2004: Kensuke Sasaki defeated Kazuyuki Fujita in just 2:29 to win the IWGP Heavyweight title at the Sumo Hall..
# November 13, 2004--New Japan: Kensuke Sasaki defeated Minoru Suzuki to retain the IWGP Heavyweight title..
# December 12, 2004--New Japan: Hiroyoshi Tenzan defeated Kensuke Sasaki to capture the IWGP Heavyweight title in Nagoya, Japan..
# April 20, 2005: Kensuke Sasaki was the winner of the 2005 Champion Carnival tournament beating Jamal in the finals..
# May 29, 2005--AJPW: Satoshi Kojima & Kaz Hayashi defeated Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima..
# July 3 2005--Dragon Gate "WORLD": Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima defeated Genichiro Tenryu & Magnum TOKYO..
# August 4, 2005--Wrestle-One (debut): Kensuke Sasaki defeated Riki Choshu..
# October 2, 2005--WRESTLE-1 GP: The Great Muta defeated Kensuke Sasaki (GP 2nd round)..
# November 17 2005--Zero1: Shinjiro Otani/Tatsuhito Takaiwa/Tadao Yasuda b Kensuke Sasaki/Takao Omori/Katsuhiko Nakajima..
# November 19 2005--AJPW: Satoshi Kojima defeated Kensuke Sasaki to retain the Triple Crown title..
# November 23, 2005--AJPW: Keiji Muto & Akebono & Kikutaro beat Kensuke Sasaki & Akira Raijin & Katsuhiko Nakajima
# November 26, 2005--AJPW: D-Lo Brown & Buchanan beat Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima (Real World Tag League Block B)..
# November 27, 2005--AJPW: Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima beat Shuji Kondo & Brother YASSHI (RW Tag League Block B)..
# November 28, 2005--AJPW: Taiyo Kea & Jamal & TAKA Michinoku beat Kensuke Sasaki & AKIRA & Katsuhiko Nakajima..
# November 29, 2005--AJPW: Kensuke Sasaki/Katsuhiko Nakajima/Taiji Ishimori beat Satoshi Kojima/Kaz Hayashi/Space Lone Wolf..
# November 30, 2005--AJPW: Team 3-D defeated Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima (RW Tag League Block B)..
# December 4, 2005--NOAH: Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima defeated Jun Akiyama & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi..
# December 1, 2005--AJPW: Muto/Arashi/Ryuji Hijikata/Akebono beat Kojima/Kensuke Sasaki/Hayashi/Katsuhiko Nakajima
# December 3, 2005--AJPW: Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima beat Satoshi Kojima & Kaz Hayashi (RW Tag League Block B)..
# December 5, 2005--AJPW: Taiyo Kea & Jamal & TAKA Michinoku beat Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima & Akira Raijin..
# April 15, 2006: Kensuke Sasake and Akira Hokuto were honored as one of the four best celebrity couples in Japan for 2006..
# August 26, 2007--AJPW: Kensuke Sasaki won the Triple Crown from Minoru Suzuki in 42:00 at Sumo Hall in Japan..
# September 14, 2008 - Ring of Honor: Kensuke Sasaki defeated Roderick Strong in Tokyo, JAPAN..
# September 20, 2008 - ROH: Kensuke Sasaki defeated Claudio Castagnoli with a Northern Lights Bomb in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania..
# December 26, 2008 - Ring of Honor: Kensuke Sasaki & Katsuhiko Nakajima defeated Roderick Strong & Brent Albright.

Round 1: Beat Velvet McIntyre
Round 2: Beat Earl Black

VS

Mil Mascaras

Hometown: San Luis Potosi, Mexico San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Height & Weight: 5'11" - 245 lbs
Trained by: "El Turco" Jose Hermes, Diablo Velasco
Debut: 1965
Previous Gimmicks: The Man of 1,000 Masks, Mr. Personalidad
Finishing Move: Flying Bodyblock

# (Mexico) National Light Heavyweight title defeating Espanto I (June 12, 1967);
# (Mexico) National Light Heavyweight title defeating El Nazi (March 22, 1968);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Heavyweight title defeating Freddie Blassie (June 7, 1968);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Tag Team titles w/Alfonso Dantes defeating Black Angels (April 11, 1969);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Heavyweight title defeating The Sheik (May 9, 1969);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Heavyweight title defeating Black Gordman for the vacant title (June 6, 1969);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Tag Team titles w/Ray Mendoza defeating Black Gordaman & Goliath (January ??, 1971);
# NWA (Los Angeles) Americas Heavyweight title defeating John Tolos (September 24, 1971);
# NWA (World Class) Texas Tag Team titles w/Jose Lothario defeating Black Gordman & Goliath (

?, 1973);
# NWA (World Class) American Tag Team titles w/Jose Lothario defeating Black Gordman & Goliath (

?, 1973);
# IWA (Mexico) Heavyweight title won a tournament (

?, 1975);
# PWF (Japan) United States Heavyweight title defeating The Destroyer (August 18, 1978);
# WCWA (World Class) World Tag Team titles w/Jeff Jarrett defeating Cactus Jack & Super Zodiac II (June 9, 1989);
# WWA (Mexico) World Heavyweight title defeating El Scorpio (October 25, 1991);
# WWA (Mexico) World Heavyweight title defeating Cobarde Jr. (

?, 1999);
# ALLL (Guatemala) World title;

Round 1: Beat Pat Roach
Round 2: Beat Manabu Nakanishi

LET'S GET IT ON ;D

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Sasaki advances. Not sure what they would have had to go through, particularly as those spikes are pretty vicious looking, and can be used as a weapon (See Rhodes, Dusty). I remember hearing that Ahmed Johnson was supposed to have stolen a set though.

Rikidozan

Hometown: North Korea
Height & Weight: 5'10" - 240lbs
Debut: 1951
Finishing Move: Piledriver

# NWA (San Francisco) Pacific Coast Tag Team titles w/Dennis Clary defeating Gino Garibaldi & Enrique Torres (September 30, 1952);
# Japanese Heavyweight title defeating Masahiko Kimura (December 22, 1954);
# NWA Hawaii Tag Team titles w/Azuma Fuji defeating Lucky Simunovich & Bobby Burns (April 17, 1955);
# All Asia Heavyweight title defeating King Kong [Tournament] (November 22, 1955);
# NWA (San Francisco) World Tag Team titles w/Koukichi Endoh defeating Mike & Ben Sharpe (May 4, 1956);
# NWA (JWA) International Heavyweight title defeating Lou Thesz (August 27, 1958);
# NWA Hawaii Tag Team titles w/Koukichi Endoh defeating Tiny Mills & Stan Kowalski (January 10, 1959);
# All Japan Tag Team titles w/Toyonobori defeating

? (January ??, 1960);
# All Asia Tag Team titles w/Toyonobori defeating Frank Valois & Dan Miller (June 7, 1960);
# All Asia Tag Team titles w/Toyonobori defeating Ricky Waldo & Luther Lindsey (February 15, 1962);
# WWA (Los Angeles) World Heavyweight title defeating Fred Blassie (March 28, 1962);
# All Asia Tag Team titles w/Toyonobori defeating Buddy Austin & Mike Sharpe (July 1, 1962);
# All Asia Tag Team titles w/Toyonobori defeating Fred Atkins & Killer Kowalski for vacant titles (May 6, 1963);

# Rikidozan, a former sumo wrestler, is the father of the phenomenon we call Puroresu..
# Rikidozan fought Lou Thesz on several occasions and even fought him to a draw in the first World Title match in Japan..
# Rikidozan defeated Lou Thesz to win the NWA International Title..
# Rikidozan also held the NWA World Tag Titles with Endo by defeating the Sharpe Brothers..
# Rikidozan won the WWA World Title from Freddie Blassie becoming the first Japaneese wrestler to win a World Title..
# 1953: Rikidozan founded the JWA, which was the first prominent Japanese wrestling promotion..
# December 22, 1954: Rikidozan defeated Masahiko Kimura (a sumo wrestler) at Tokyo Sumo Hall..
# ~~~The match was to be a draw, but Rikidozan orchestrated a double-cross, unleashing a vicious attack on Kimura!
# Rikidozan also discovered both Giant Baba and Antonio Inoki, who would carry Japanese Wrestling for decades to come..
# December 8, 1963: Rikidozan was stabbed at a night club that he owned and refused medical attention..
# ~~~As a result of those injuries he passed away shorty thereafter --- He was only 39.

Round 1: Beat Carl Leduc
Round 2: Beat Dick Togo

VS

Billy Robinson

Hometown: Originally Great Britain
Height & Weight: 5'11 - 240lbs
Trained by: Billy Riley School in Wigan
Finishing Move: Double Arm Suplex, The Piledriver

# European Mid Heavyweight title defeating

(August ??, 1961);
# (European) British Heavyweight title defeating Billy Joyce (January 18, 1967);
# IWA (Japan) World Heavyweight title defeating Toyonobori in a tournament (December 19, 1968);
# Stampede North American Heavyweight title defeating Archie Gouldie (

?, 1969);
# IWA (Australia) World Heavyweight title defeating Killer Karl Kox (October 31, 1969);
# Stampede North American Heavyweight title defeating Abdullah the Butcher (Febuary 20, 1970);
# AWA World Tag Team titles w/Ed Francis defeating Ray Stevens & Nick Bockwinkel (July 21, 1972);
# AWA World Tag Team titles w/Vern Gagne defeating Ray Stevens & Nick Bockwinkel (December 30, 1972);
# IWA (Japan) World Heavyweight title defeating Great Kusatsu in a tournament (June 3, 1974);
# AWA World Tag Team titles w/Crusher Lisowski defeating Ray Stevens & Nick Bockwinkel (July 21, 1974);
# NWA (Florida) Southern Heavyweight title defeating Masked Destroyer (December 20, 1975);
# NWA (Tri State) United States Tag Team titles w/Bill Watts defeating Ken Patera & Killer Karl Kox (

? 1976);
# NWA (All Japan) United National Heavyweight title defeating Jumbo Tsuruta (March 5, 1977);
# AWA British Empire Heavyweight title defeating Angelo Mosca (May 18, 1978);
# PWF (Japan) World Heavyweight title defeating Tor Kamata (June 12, 1978);
# AWA British Empire Heavyweight title defeating Super Destroyer Mark II (November 12, 1979);
# AWA Southern Tag Team titles w/Ken Lucas defeating The Assassins (Febuary 17, 1980);
# AWA Southern Tag Team titles w/Ken Lucas defeating The Assassins (March 2, 1980);
# AWA Southern Tag Team titles w/Ken Lucas defeating Sheik Ali Hassan & Paul Ellering (April ??, 1980);
# CWA (Memphis) World Heavyweight title defeating The Superstar (April 28, 1980);
# CWA (Memphis) World Heavyweight title defeating Bill Dundee (August 11, 1980);
# CWA (Memphis) World Heavyweight title defeating Bobby Eaton (November 14, 1980);
# IWA (Montreal) International Heavyweight title defeating Rick Martel (November ??, 1982);
# IWA (Montreal) International Heavyweight title defeating The Destroyer (

?, 1983);
# IWA (Montreal) International Tag Team titles w/Pierre Lefebvre defeating Tony Parisi & Gino Brito (May 23, 1983);

Round 1: Beat Sal Bellomo
Round 2: Beat Riki Choshu

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Robinson, mainly because he was one of the best wrestlers of the 70s. Rikidozan was great as well and obviously has the popularity advantage. But Robinson was also clearly the better wrestler and was very popular as well. So I'd have to lean towards Robinson.

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