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Post by andrew89 on Dec 16, 2009 18:55:37 GMT -5
It was a disappointment after the endless hype it received. The match itself isn't that bad, but factor in the hype and you'll understand why people say it is. Do you or anyone else think that the hype was bigger for this match than their match at WM6?
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Post by fg76 on Dec 20, 2009 21:01:39 GMT -5
I haven't seen it in eight years, and I'll take the time to watch it again in a few hours (or days), but I did watch it three times and I really didn't think the match was THAT bad.
Now they're might have been some botched moves, and whatnot - but Warrior busted out stuff he hadn't busted out since his first match with Hogan. Some might see it as a pathetic carbon copy (See Hogan vs. Sid on Nitro in 1999 before his return to the Yellow and Red) of a better match, but there was some effort on the part of Warrior to have a good match.
Hogan too, but really the nWo storyline was so played out - they really should have done more in the hype to make an attempt to turn Hogan babyface again. I mean they did a great angle where Warrior shows up in the mirror - but nobody can see him but Hogan (and the audience, and the announcers - but I digress) and Hogan actually goes mad. This could have lead to Hogan thinking he was still in the yellow and the red, and show up as the old Hogan in his delusion and destroy Warrior cleanly and then be go crazy in his own delusions that he challeneges the nWo there and then.
And WCW actually tried this in March 1999 with a Torrie Wilson/Kevin Nash vid - before Hogan all of a sudden just turned face against Flair. Where Hogan told Torrie the Finger Poke of Doom was a legit contest and when Torrie tells Nash it pissed him off. As ususal with WCW . . . it led nowhere. Although Hogan vs. Nash did happen at Road Wild.
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Post by reiko22 on Dec 22, 2009 20:50:16 GMT -5
the build up to the match was crap (the OWN, Warrior molesting the disciple for no reason, the magic mirror, the intro speach of the Warrior being way too long) but the match itself was not THAT bad except for the botch finish
I saw worse matches involving Hogan
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 2, 2010 18:13:23 GMT -5
I felt that through all the build-up, the match just couldn't live up to it.
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Post by corndog on Jan 3, 2010 0:54:25 GMT -5
It isn't the worst match ever, but it's pretty bad. I think it being a sequal hurt it even more, since their first match was pretty good. The pyschology and fact that the Warrior was out of shape really took the fans out of this match. It almost seemed like Hogan sabatoged points of the match by killing Warrior's momentum or ending it before he had a chance to start it. I also think there is a good possibility that once the Warrior knew he was losing he just didn't care, went out for 15 minutes and was ready to take his ball and go home. Heck even Hogan himself admits the match is pretty bad, and says when he botched the fireball spot that was the nail in the coffin. I also remember alot of fans booing Warrior(WCW made the mistake of giving 15 minutes of mic time on Nitro and killed the crowd), obviously it gets worse towards the end of the match, heck it seemed like most of the arena was cheering after Hogan won, but it could have just been because the horrible match was over.
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Post by ericv1 on Jan 3, 2010 1:23:13 GMT -5
The match was HORRIBLE. Warrior obviously wasn't the same as he once was back in the day. RD said it best in the induction that if you think this was a great match..then you're a God Damned Crack Smoking Brain Dead Moron. Botched spots, Hogan failing to win his firestarting badge..holy shit, it made me wanna pee myself..that was terrible. If there's an upside to this, its that Warrior didn't stick around afterwards.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 21, 2010 3:13:52 GMT -5
It isn't the worst match ever, but it's pretty bad. I think it being a sequal hurt it even more, since their first match was pretty good. The pyschology and fact that the Warrior was out of shape really took the fans out of this match. It almost seemed like Hogan sabatoged points of the match by killing Warrior's momentum or ending it before he had a chance to start it. I also think there is a good possibility that once the Warrior knew he was losing he just didn't care, went out for 15 minutes and was ready to take his ball and go home. Heck even Hogan himself admits the match is pretty bad, and says when he botched the fireball spot that was the nail in the coffin. I also remember alot of fans booing Warrior(WCW made the mistake of giving 15 minutes of mic time on Nitro and killed the crowd), obviously it gets worse towards the end of the match, heck it seemed like most of the arena was cheering after Hogan won, but it could have just been because the horrible match was over. This is really the best way to describe it.
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Post by segaz on Feb 7, 2010 23:57:28 GMT -5
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Post by fg76 on Feb 12, 2010 19:40:43 GMT -5
RD said it best in the induction that if you think this was a great match..then you're a God Damned Crack Smoking Brain Dead Moron. RD was quoting Scott Keith, from RSPWfaq.com. And I think it was a okay match. Then again, me and my dad enjoyed Scott Steiner vs. Triple H in 2003 - and because we actually loved that match - I'm afraid in 2010 to sit down by myself and watch that one to see if it was that bad.
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Post by segaz on Feb 24, 2010 18:54:26 GMT -5
It sounded like some people were cheering Hogan weirdly enough They were, Warrior got a huge pop on his Nitro debut then each week it got less and less as the lonnnng promos and silly oWn stuff went on. By the time of Havoc, in fact a week or two before it, some fans were openly cheering on the black hat heel Hogan just because they didn't like Warrior. Except for the next night after Warrior came out to cheers. Fans certainly gave the Hogan/Warrior II thing a chance. But WCW....they just went nowhere with it. Didn't deliver, is what I'm saying. I'll be honest, me and my friends were psyched to see the match. It sounded cool, seeing as we all remembered WM6 (uh...k we had it on video) and although we didn't expect the same quality of WM, we thought we'd be in for a good time at least. No matter what RD, Meltzer or the WWE say, I really enjoyed the skits with Warrior in the mirror. Who knows, maybe Bischoff was just standing at the wrong angle or something. And the OWN....seemed cool, it had the better of Hogan anyways. Meaning Hogan was at a disadvantage. He'd lost the title to Goldberg, his NWO was split up, his ship really was sinking. Again, just like with the FOD, it wasn't what they did to begin with, it was how things ended that annoyed me.
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Post by navajomartian on Apr 18, 2010 15:19:09 GMT -5
I sat down and watched it on home video and ALOT of what Scott Keith wrote that went wrong was cut from the vhs video. The home video just came off as boring but Keith wrote of it like it turned out like Goldberg/Lesnar or HHH/Steiner. Both of which I have seen in their glory and I would say either one is probably twice as bad as this match.
This match would just be any other mediocre slop from the golden age I think.
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