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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 26, 2009 12:59:28 GMT -5
A few weeks ago many people considered JBL's reign as one of the best ever..... I think they still do. I thought it was great myself, but to each their own.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 26, 2009 13:03:02 GMT -5
I'd say Batista. He was far too late in his career for when he recieved the big push and ended up injured alot. He's the one main-eventer who I tend to think of as a non-factor because of the time he wasn't there.
At least Cena/Batista/Diesel usually made their gigs.
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Post by mainsupreme on Aug 26, 2009 13:18:39 GMT -5
A few weeks ago many people considered JBL's reign as one of the best ever..... I think they still do. I thought it was great myself, but to each their own. I do too, he had such a great reign with a very light roster.
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Post by dh03grad on Aug 26, 2009 18:23:52 GMT -5
Triple H, I like him out of the ME. Seconded. He is not a bad wrestler, but it is ridiculous how dominant and consistently he has been in the main event scene for a decade. If it wasn't for Steph he'd be a midcarder now. It's probably not his fault though. If Jericho was married to Steph, he would be 15-time champ, same goes for guys like Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, Booker T, HBK, Brian Adams, Chris Benoit, Test, Kane, Scott Hall, etc. No matter what the apologist's say. HHH is in his spot because of Steph and he would definitely NOT be without her, since he is NO Rock, Austin or Brock Lesnar. You are 100% correct. I admit that HHH becoming a main eventer in 1999 was natural and it had been building to that point for a couple of years. HHH marrying Steph is the reason HHH stayed in the main event regardless of the business his matches does and regardless of the quality of his work. If any wrestler on the 1999 WWE roster got with Steph and married her and got creative control would have be a multi time champion and main event 10 years later. HHH has had the longest main event run of any wrestler in WWE history.
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Post by britishbulldog on Aug 26, 2009 21:39:59 GMT -5
Actually I would say Bruno's was longer.
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Post by steamboat1 on Aug 27, 2009 1:02:44 GMT -5
Randy Orton, Sid, Yokozuna.....thats all
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Post by baerrtt on Aug 27, 2009 7:18:47 GMT -5
Cena draws money and has put on good/great matches to those who are open-minded enough to see it. Beyond personal dislike there's no way history will consign him to a list of worst long term main eventers.
For me that belongs to a guy like the Ultimate Warrior whose live popularity didn't translate into a successful WWF title reign or the expected ratings rise when he returned in '96 and whose lack of professionalism (no showing events, demanding huge amounts of money) eventually led to the fans tiring of him as well as the industry.
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Post by baerrtt on Aug 27, 2009 7:25:26 GMT -5
Seconded. He is not a bad wrestler, but it is ridiculous how dominant and consistently he has been in the main event scene for a decade. If it wasn't for Steph he'd be a midcarder now. It's probably not his fault though. If Jericho was married to Steph, he would be 15-time champ, same goes for guys like Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, Booker T, HBK, Brian Adams, Chris Benoit, Test, Kane, Scott Hall, etc. No matter what the apologist's say. HHH is in his spot because of Steph and he would definitely NOT be without her, since he is NO Rock, Austin or Brock Lesnar. You are 100% correct. I admit that HHH becoming a main eventer in 1999 was natural and it had been building to that point for a couple of years. HHH marrying Steph is the reason HHH stayed in the main event regardless of the business his matches does and regardless of the quality of his work. If any wrestler on the 1999 WWE roster got with Steph and married her and got creative control would have be a multi time champion and main event 10 years later. HHH has had the longest main event run of any wrestler in WWE history. When the WWF/E intends for somebody to be a long term main eventer they, as the words imply, STAY a long term main eventer regardless if they marry the Vince's daughter eventually. If he hadn't even started a relationship with her I believe Trips career in the last 10 years would have remained the same. Thanks to his association with Michaels Trips, as a mid-carder, was making creative decisions backstage well before the fall of 2000 (for example his admittance in the HBK DVD that he voiced 'screwing' Bret out of the title first). The Kliq may have been no longer there but with him as a main event star in '99 the power he'd been allowed to have wouldn't change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 7:31:50 GMT -5
Batista: Watching him getting so many title matches got me bored
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Post by mauled on Aug 27, 2009 8:42:32 GMT -5
You are 100% correct. I admit that HHH becoming a main eventer in 1999 was natural and it had been building to that point for a couple of years. HHH marrying Steph is the reason HHH stayed in the main event regardless of the business his matches does and regardless of the quality of his work. If any wrestler on the 1999 WWE roster got with Steph and married her and got creative control would have be a multi time champion and main event 10 years later. HHH has had the longest main event run of any wrestler in WWE history. When the WWF/E intends for somebody to be a long term main eventer they, as the words imply, STAY a long term main eventer regardless if they marry the Vince's daughter eventually. If he hadn't even started a relationship with her I believe Trips career in the last 10 years would have remained the same. Thanks to his association with Michaels Trips, as a mid-carder, was making creative decisions backstage well before the fall of 2000 (for example his admittance in the HBK DVD that he voiced 'screwing' Bret out of the title first). The Kliq may have been no longer there but with him as a main event star in '99 the power he'd been allowed to have wouldn't change. I agree its cause Vince thinks he's super duper that is the reason he is in the main event. On his DVD he says Vince told him his curtain call punishment was more for forms sake than any real desire to punish him. To put it in perspective at the moment his Wrestlemania main events equal Hogans And would have surpassed with 23 (He got injured sparing us from Cena/Trips mark II) . Now can anyone seriously say he is on Hogan's level or the Rock or Austin as a draw??
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 27, 2009 8:52:22 GMT -5
I never liked JBL has a main eventer. JBL turned into a great heel, but I never thought of him as more than an IC/US title level wrestler.
Batista since his first major injury. He was so awesome leading up to him turning on Triple H, and was great on Smackdown (though I thought the JBL feud kind of sucked), the Mark Henry feud looked like it would be great because he could manhandle Batista. Then Dave got injured, came back looking like he aged 20 years, and was never the same.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 27, 2009 10:19:29 GMT -5
Batista and Diesel are/were boring, not very talented and injury prone.
But Rey was just ridiculous. I don't care how quick, tough and daring he's supposed to be, having him consistently beating guys twice his size was a joke.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Aug 27, 2009 10:30:46 GMT -5
Batista, I like the big lug, but just can't get into his matches.
Jerry Lynn in ECW and now ROH, that guy just bores me when he's not in the ring, and a champ should have presence every where. Hell of a wrestler and athlete though.
Yokozuna is up there too, barely ever had a match in WWF worth watching more than once.
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Post by RBD on Aug 27, 2009 10:43:28 GMT -5
Batista and Diesel are/were boring, not very talented and injury prone. But Rey was just ridiculous. I don't care how quick, tough and daring he's supposed to be, having him consistently beating guys twice his size was a joke. Nash and Batista would be my prime picks. I personally don't care for several of the other names brought up here but they all objectively have more talent than these two. I just think Rey's a victim of godawful booking They were so foolish for putting him against the guys they did. While some may argue his size should exclude him from ever being a top guy, another part of the criteria is popularity and Rey has that in spades. But you can only suspend disbelief so far. I can suspend it enough to see him beat guys like Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Christian, etc. but the JBL's and Mark Henry's of the world? Nah. Why on Earth would you book that? If they booked him with care I think Rey could possibly be a long term main eventer.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Aug 27, 2009 10:48:21 GMT -5
Orton.
I can't remember the last main eventer that actually made me CHANGE THE CHANNEL just because they appeared on the screen. I think he may be the only one, actually.
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Post by Celgress on Aug 27, 2009 11:24:38 GMT -5
JBL, IMHO
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Post by Sam Punk on Aug 27, 2009 11:47:57 GMT -5
1. batista 2. hhh 3. nash
Whenever any of them showed up on my screen, I immediately changed the channel. You can't get worse than that.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 27, 2009 15:07:55 GMT -5
Batista. He just isn't good enough to justify his spot on the card. Yeah, he's way over, but so was Chris Benoit yet they shuffled him right back down to the midcard. I don't know why Batista is the exception.
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 27, 2009 15:18:17 GMT -5
Batista. He just isn't good enough to justify his spot on the card. Yeah, he's way over, but so was Chris Benoit yet they shuffled him right back down to the midcard. I don't know why Batista is the exception. <Vince>He's big and he never worked for WCW.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Aug 27, 2009 15:47:37 GMT -5
No matter what the apologist's say. HHH is in his spot because of Steph and he would definitely NOT be without her, since he is NO Rock, Austin or Brock Lesnar. This is 100% crap. I am not sticking up for HHH's politics or current day HHH, but the fact is, HHH was at one time regarded as the best heel in the business by virtually everyone and it probably lasted up until his first quad tear. He didn't even start seeing Steph until late 2000 early 2001, and at that time they were involved in a very entertaining angle (McMahon-Helmsley Era) and HHH had already established himself in the main event picture. I applaud this whole-heartedly, as it sums up everything I've tried to say for years about HHH. I'm not his biggest fan, but I certainly don't hate him and I am entertained by him more often than not.
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