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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 11, 2009 0:15:58 GMT -5
Rock got a lot of flak due to his wrestling abilities, much like Cena. However, whenever Rock opened his mouth, he immediately redeemed himself. Cena can't be redeemed unless he stops with these over the top intense promos that really don't make much sense... I thought he was torn apart for being repetive by talking about beastiality, his genitalia and anal insertions? |
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Post by Taupy on Oct 11, 2009 14:12:52 GMT -5
The internet Exploded with Rick Rude being on Nitro and RAW at the same time. You know, on second thought....it's really not that different Explode like when CM Punk loses fairly a belt. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 11, 2009 14:27:56 GMT -5
I was actually one of the few crossoever fans that tried to watch both shows. We were a smallest segment, I believe... but we also the "smarkiest".  That's what I was like as well. Watched Nitro o0n TNT on Friday (being from Scotland) and watched the WWF catch up shows and Smackdown on Saturday morning. I had Sky Sports on and off throughout 97-98 time so depending on if I had Sky Sports would watch Raw also. I had no idea they were direct competitors at the time 9and didn;t really find out the true extent till I watched The Monday Night War DVD in around 2004/5 time). I saw WWF as the top company and WCW as the company where most the young guys came from and where the older wrestlers went for a while before they retired. Which essentially during The Monday Night Wars is what they were., I was shocked in 1999 when I tired to watch Nitro and realized how much it had went down hill over the past year and even more shocked when I realized they went out of business in 2002. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Oct 11, 2009 14:36:26 GMT -5
To be honest I think this thread just proves that current WWE gets far too much stick. People on the internet will give the company flak no matter what, no matter how successful it is or isn't.
People use the fact that ratings were higher back then as some justification for the rants and proof that it was so much better back then. I just read one of the reports on the link on the first page of this thread and it absolutely lays into the This Is Your Life segment - the highest rated segment of all time. What does that tell you? People are going to moan whatever.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 11, 2009 17:53:53 GMT -5
Many hated the WWF product because of the lack of wrestling on RAW and some even prefered WCW for that reason, because at least WCW had Guerrero, Benoit, Malenko, Mysterio, Kidman, etc to go out there and wrestle for 10 minutes. There was a notable online backlash against The Rock, saying he couldn't wrestle (sound familiar?) As for accessing it today, go to Google and search wrestling 1999 related keywords for 'Groups' and some stuff should come up. There's also Herb Kunze's old wrestling tibits reports still online: rspw.org/tidbits/Yeah, I personally watched WCW for match quality and WWF for the angles and storyline. Sure WCW had the nWo but eventually that got stale, while the match quality was still good. Once WCW started becoming WWE Lite [and yes, it happened before Russo] I started watching less and less. Then WWF match quality picked up. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 11, 2009 23:54:04 GMT -5
To be honest I think this thread just proves that current WWE gets far too much stick. People on the internet will give the company flak no matter what, no matter how successful it is or isn't. People use the fact that ratings were higher back then as some justification for the rants and proof that it was so much better back then. I just read one of the reports on the link on the first page of this thread and it absolutely lays into the This Is Your Life segment - the highest rated segment of all time. What does that tell you? People are going to moan whatever. That goes to show you can't please everyone. Though I will say this, there was ALOT of crap during the Attitude Era - Hawk commiting suicide, The Odditities, Harry Beaver Cleveage, Mark Henry making out with a transvestite, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Big Bossman/Big Show feud. I will say this though, back then the WWF had a better use of talent and never became stale(at least not with me). Thats my defense of that time frame compared to now. The higher ratings just makes everything seem better than it was(even though IMHO, it actually was). |
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 12, 2009 9:20:42 GMT -5
I've read Herb Kunze's stuff before, some of it at the time and if you feel like seeing the Attitude era get some stick Ol' Herb is a funny read. He never liked the 'sports entertainment' stuff much and his barbs at guys like Austin and Rock are quite funny in their own way.
He's not completely negative but when he is he REALLY is, including sometimes for things which get praised as great today. He just likes his wrestling a certain way and anything else be damned, promos and storylines often included.
John Petrie's stuff is also interesting, he covered both WWE & WCW though he was openly WWE-biased in his reporting so bear that in mind.
The definitive sources in my view for old as-it-happened reporting though, in my view, are still CRZ and DDT Digest.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 12, 2009 10:00:47 GMT -5
In the AOL chatrooms, at least, there was an ongoing meme about Flair having boobs. Hogan was much more hated, though- and in fact, I read comments advocating a world champion Billy Kidman just to spite him.
Rock did get grief, but I remember it being at its peak when the Radicalz signed with WWF- the argument was that Rock "was all talk and getting left behind by their wrestling". In retrospect, the Cena hate is far worse and a lot nastier.
Jericho was the Next Big Thing and fans got nervous anytime he jobbed (see also: Punk, CM).
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 12, 2009 11:10:03 GMT -5
The definitive sources in my view for old as-it-happened reporting though, in my view, are still CRZ and DDT Digest. Yeah, those are both great. I remember reading and liking them at the time but couldn't find their stuff again until years later, and now it's great to go back and re-read them. CRZ's reports are so comprehensive too. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Oct 12, 2009 11:32:57 GMT -5
To be honest I think this thread just proves that current WWE gets far too much stick. People on the internet will give the company flak no matter what, no matter how successful it is or isn't. People use the fact that ratings were higher back then as some justification for the rants and proof that it was so much better back then. I just read one of the reports on the link on the first page of this thread and it absolutely lays into the This Is Your Life segment - the highest rated segment of all time. What does that tell you? People are going to moan whatever. That goes to show you can't please everyone. Though I will say this, there was ALOT of crap during the Attitude Era - Hawk commiting suicide, The Odditities, Harry Beaver Cleveage, Mark Henry making out with a transvestite, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Big Bossman/Big Show feud. I will say this though, back then the WWF had a better use of talent and never became stale(at least not with me). Thats my defense of that time frame compared to now. The higher ratings just makes everything seem better than it was(even though IMHO, it actually was). I'm not sure on the staleness argument. People complain that Cena/Orton is headlining another PPV, but Rock/HHH did exactly the same. It was par for the course really back then. People would retort that Rock/HHH were bigger mainsteam stars or whatever, but we've seen through some of the links provided that Rock/HHH and all of the company still had the same type of stick thrown at them. You may think it's stale now because you will have been watching for a large number of years, where as back in 2000 you may not have. The WWE produces 5 original hours each week, plus 3 hours once or twice a month on PPV. What other TV series does anything like that? They've been going in the mainstream since the 80s, Raw has been going for 16 years etc - no wonder people find it stale now. |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 12, 2009 11:45:07 GMT -5
Many hated the WWF product because of the lack of wrestling on RAW and some even prefered WCW for that reason, because at least WCW had Guerrero, Benoit, Malenko, Mysterio, Kidman, etc to go out there and wrestle for 10 minutes. There was a notable online backlash against The Rock, saying he couldn't wrestle (sound familiar?) As for accessing it today, go to Google and search wrestling 1999 related keywords for 'Groups' and some stuff should come up. There's also Herb Kunze's old wrestling tibits reports still online: rspw.org/tidbits/I love the fact that one of them he reports that Kwang was "the tazmaniac"! they look nothing alike! |
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Post by corndog on Oct 12, 2009 13:15:15 GMT -5
I remember those days. Up till 2000, Rock and HHH were "fun charismatic but crappy wrestlers". It wasn't until late 2001 that people got bored with them. Rock was starting to get repetitive, and pandering. HHH was really starting to get obnoxious with his stranglehold on the main event as Austin was winding down/walking out and Rock was Making movies and disappearing for months on end. WCW was completely retarded. ECW was the best ever. Hogan, Bischoff, and Nash were totally Evil. Flair was a god. HBK was this legend that was the best ever that everyone wanted back. I remember most of that to be true, but I remember alot of HBK hate due to his politicing, however no one denied his in ring talent. Also WCW's main event scene was crapped on, although the cruiserweights and undercard mainly gave the IWC boners. Everyone wanted Chris Jericho, Guerrero and Benoit as world champions, they got their way several years later. |
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 12, 2009 13:19:08 GMT -5
One of the things I found interesting is how the Ministry of Darkness was hated on the IWC (and their 'sacrifice' segments and whatever typically had fans sitting on their hands on RAW) but are now looked back on fondly by the majority of wrestling fans, internet or otherwise.
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Oct 12, 2009 18:45:38 GMT -5
I got on in late 99 and missed the Monday Night War in that WWE had taken the lead and never looked back. I remember the Rock being the Cena of his day, in that pepole in the IWC were tired of his act and kept begging to turn him heel (myself included.) My opinion that Austin should turn heel proved to be disastrous.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 12, 2009 19:22:52 GMT -5
That goes to show you can't please everyone. Though I will say this, there was ALOT of crap during the Attitude Era - Hawk commiting suicide, The Odditities, Harry Beaver Cleveage, Mark Henry making out with a transvestite, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Big Bossman/Big Show feud. I will say this though, back then the WWF had a better use of talent and never became stale(at least not with me). Thats my defense of that time frame compared to now. The higher ratings just makes everything seem better than it was(even though IMHO, it actually was). I'm not sure on the staleness argument. People complain that Cena/Orton is headlining another PPV, but Rock/HHH did exactly the same. It was par for the course really back then. People would retort that Rock/HHH were bigger mainsteam stars or whatever, but we've seen through some of the links provided that Rock/HHH and all of the company still had the same type of stick thrown at them. You may think it's stale now because you will have been watching for a large number of years, where as back in 2000 you may not have. The WWE produces 5 original hours each week, plus 3 hours once or twice a month on PPV. What other TV series does anything like that? They've been going in the mainstream since the 80s, Raw has been going for 16 years etc - no wonder people find it stale now. I think its the fact that Rock/HHH had great chemistry together. Plus, the midcard was at an all-time high. Almost everybody on the roster had a storyline, thus being over in the process. Today, its like the same show every week just mildly altered. Thats why I stopped watching it since Wrestlemania. And from the posts I read, that hasn't changed(at least not on RAW). |
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Post by wahoowah11 on Oct 12, 2009 19:32:57 GMT -5
I wasnt really apart of the IWC durring the attitude era as I joined at the end of the MNW. But I did read rumors and I remember reading that the Warrior was going to wrestle DDP at Starrcade.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Oct 12, 2009 21:54:02 GMT -5
I got on in late 99 and missed the Monday Night War in that WWE had taken the lead and never looked back. I remember the Rock being the Cena of his day, in that pepole in the IWC were tired of his act and kept begging to turn him heel (myself included.) My opinion that Austin should turn heel proved to be disastrous. Of course it was disastrous. Austin, Ken Shamrock, (and ECW) fundamentally changed the rules of face/heel. Austin WAS a heel, and a good one, but when he turned face, he didn't change his gimmick at all. He popularized his gimmick to the point where ass-kicking, take no names, beat the hell out everyone, selfish, egotistical, jerks ever since him are considered faces. Ken Shamrock is another one. His gimmick was that he was a bad ass, he took no prisoners, and he would destroy you in the ring. That's a face even now, but it wasn't Pre-Austin. Example: Kurt Angle's last WWE days. He became a bad-ass, take-anyone-on, wrestling machine. That was supposed to give him more heat. What did he get instead? Huge pops. It didn't help he was wrestlling against John Cena and Mark Henry. Who are YOU going to cheer for? The Baby-kissing, woman-hand-shaking, kid-hugging, animal-coddling, all-american, good guy, or the WRESTLING MACHINE THAT WILL BREAK ANKLES AND SUPLEXES PEOPLE THROUGH TABLES? Actually, pre-Austin, people who haved cheered for John Cena. Austin fundamentally changed the rules to the point where "Bad-Asses" are cool. |
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Post by Mac on Oct 12, 2009 22:04:23 GMT -5
I was a moderator in the WWF Chat Room on AOL in 97-98.. it would typically look like this..
ROCKMAGUY: LOL WCW is for F***
TuffTommy: austin is gay
EZpimp4Lyfe: u guys r all marks
ROCKMAGUY: hey EZpimp, i did yer momz
ROCKMAGUY: lol
ECWECWECW: wrestling in the united states is awful, in japan its much better
wwfandwcwol: click here for naked pictures of sunny
Burnfarlog: i heard kevin nash is going to the wwf
DLOBLACK: ONLY MARKS LIKE THE NWO
SteveOLE: a/s/l
Danny83: ^&&}¨h.⌐5"¦ÓDeATH CHaRGe BoT eNaBLeD^&&}¨h.⌐5"
PRePaRe To Be HaXXXeD
KKDOOTY: the giant is going to the wwf to form the wwf nwo
CooLPID: KKDOOTY thats gay
Pretty much it..
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Post by Dirty Hazy on Oct 13, 2009 2:29:15 GMT -5
wwfandwcwol: click here for naked pictures of sunny Ok, who else clicked it? |
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Post by gamblore on Oct 13, 2009 5:04:12 GMT -5
Anyone else remember the constant rumors that Yokozuna was coming back to WWF? They never let up until, well, he died. Also I remember there being a vocal group of fans who could not come to terms with Owen Hart's death. They insisted for months that it had all been a work, and that was setting up some storyline involving the Undertaker.
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