AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 24, 2009 15:20:53 GMT -5
At the risk of merging the two threads, what about making Carlito the boyfriend instead? That could have given him a new angle.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Oct 25, 2009 3:41:08 GMT -5
I'll commit to "he sucks" after watching Smackdown. Nice ripping off Goldust's old line there Escobar. I really hope the plug gets pulled soon on this, it's annoying how they are retconning the Vickie/Edge deal also. Got cole saying stuff like "Vickie knows how to choose her bf's, she married Edge, and look at the power couple THEY became!" No, the whole point of that ENTIRE storyline was Edge was with Vickie to move up... he duped her, and when she wasn't usefull to him anymore, dumped her. Plus Vickie has gotten even MORE irratating somehow. Her "shannigans" she pulls to distract the refs are her shrieking like a TOTAL spaz, and I'm not even sure she's even saying any words anymore.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 3:49:33 GMT -5
Too soon to say he sucks? I seem to remember people writing off Braden Walker pretty quickly. Even though he was working a match with Estrada, who was always flat out awful in the ring. Definitely no Matt Hardy.
I haven't seen this guy wrestle yet, but I can easily counter the argument that he wouldn't have been in developmental for 4 years if he sucked by saying he wouldn't have been there so long if he was good. He would have been called up by now. As far as saying that they wouldn't team him up with Vickie if he stunk it could just as easily be a case of them teaming him with her because he isnt good enough to draw any heat on his own.
If the guy ends up flopping they can easily throw someone else with Vickie. She wont lose any heat from him stinking, and could easily drop him like a bad habit and move on.
I guess I will need to check out some of this guys matches before giving a definite opinion though.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Oct 25, 2009 7:15:22 GMT -5
I'm having one of those "I don't like him because I don't like him" deals with this guy.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 8:09:35 GMT -5
All right. I watched the Hardy match and the tag qualifier on the last SD as well.
This guy SUCKS. Four years in developmental and he looks like the greenest jobber ever in there. He looked terrible next to pros like JTG and Ziggler. If this guy doesn't improve quick he needs to be pushed right back down the card.
A shame guys like Carlito and Charlie Haas cant get any TV time and this joke gets a win over Matt Hardy and a few minutes each week to embarrass himself.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Oct 25, 2009 10:10:34 GMT -5
I just watched a video where this guy talks about Desmonde Wolfe and then adds about Bryan Danielson defnitely coming to the WWE. This just made me think...
the difference in ability between those two is staggering. I mean Escobar struggled with very basic moves. I bet Bryan watched that and shook his head.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 10:12:25 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't think WWE will even properly utilize Danielson if he signs the dotted line.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:13:10 GMT -5
At the risk of merging the two threads, what about making Carlito the boyfriend instead? That could have given him a new angle. His first name doesn't start with E, that's why. Sadly, I don't think WWE will even properly utilize Danielson if he signs the dotted line. Yeah, cause they did such a terrible job with Punk so far. |
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Oct 25, 2009 10:15:33 GMT -5
FSin - Who needs E.E when you can have C.C?
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:17:52 GMT -5
FSin - Who needs E.E when you can have C.C? I think Vickie has a fetish with the letter E. Eddie Guerrero Edge and now Eric Escobar. I'm surprised she hasn't hit on Evan Bourne or Ezekiel yet. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 10:19:51 GMT -5
At the risk of merging the two threads, what about making Carlito the boyfriend instead? That could have given him a new angle. His first name doesn't start with E, that's why. Sadly, I don't think WWE will even properly utilize Danielson if he signs the dotted line. Yeah, cause they did such a terrible job with Punk so far. Oh, you mean like the great runs Colt Cabana, Brian Kendrick, and Nigel "too banged up for WWE despite the fact that he's probably in better shape than Taker" McGuinness had? Punk is the ONE successful indy worker to go to the WWE in the past five years. The ONLY one. Why? Because his gimmick was based (at least partly) around promos that dissed his opponents rather than just match work. If people started going on about how great Danielson's promos are, I might have hope, but we all know what WWE really values and Danielson ain't got it. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:25:55 GMT -5
His first name doesn't start with E, that's why. Yeah, cause they did such a terrible job with Punk so far. Oh, you mean like the great runs Colt Cabana, Brian Kendrick, and Nigel "too banged up for WWE despite the fact that he's probably in better shape than Taker" McGuinness had? Punk is the ONE successful indy worker to go to the WWE in the past five years. The ONLY one. Why? Because his gimmick was based (at least partly) around promos that dissed his opponents rather than just match work. If people started going on about how great Danielson's promos are, I might have hope, but we all know what WWE really values and Danielson ain't got it. Colt i can understand. Kendrick dug his own grave. Nigel I will admit made a wise decision. I think Danielson would do fine. You really can't judge until he actually shows up to say if he will or won't go far. People thought the same of Punk, and he proved everyone wrong so far. Danielson is well known through the indy scene in the same way as Punk, and he has ties with HBK, so i think he should do great. But we really have to wait and see if he even shows up to the E first. |
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Oct 25, 2009 10:32:56 GMT -5
Yeah.
Danielson has ties with HBK and Bill Regal. I think he has a 50/50 chance of getting into the midcard. He isn't bloody tall/muscled/huge and his mic skills are OK.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 10:33:38 GMT -5
Didn't we already determine mic skills were what mattered in the E? Punk had those in spades even as an indy worker. Danielson had hour-long matches. One of these things does not get much of a showcase on RAW.
As for Eric, why did they just decide to disgorge him onto audiences as part of Team Smackdown over guys who were much older and more experienced? This has Yo-yo written all over it, once WWE wises up.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:35:42 GMT -5
Didn't we already determine mic skills were what mattered in the E? Punk had those in spades even as an indy worker. Danielson had hour-long matches. One of these things does not get much of a showcase on RAW. Benoit couldn't talk for shit, and was a top talent until the incident. Morrison's live mic skills are shaky at best, and he's getting pushed to the moon. Same with Rey. Can't cut a great promo for crap, but is beloved more for his wrestling. |
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Post by Big L on Oct 25, 2009 10:41:52 GMT -5
Ya I think it's too early
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 10:43:32 GMT -5
Didn't we already determine mic skills were what mattered in the E? Punk had those in spades even as an indy worker. Danielson had hour-long matches. One of these things does not get much of a showcase on RAW. Benoit couldn't talk for s***, and was a top talent until the incident. Morrison's live mic skills are shaky at best, and he's getting pushed to the moon. Same with Rey. Can't cut a great promo for crap, but is beloved more for his wrestling. And none of them are currently on RAW. Rey exists largely to keep Smackdown afloat with the Hispanic demo (which is ironically the only reason I can see to push Escobar to the moon). Morrison has improved a great deal, if the Miz promo he cut is anything to go by. Benoit was over in WCW before WWE. He already had a national outlet. Danielson does not and will get a "WTF is this? Where's Andy Samberg!" reaction from the crowd. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:49:23 GMT -5
And none of them are currently on RAW. How are you so certain he'd be even on Raw? I'd believe he'd be drafted to SD or ECW first, where he'd benefit the most. If you need an example for a top Raw guy with lousy mic skills, look at Orton. Great worker, but a sleeping pill on the mic. Same with Dibiase, and Rhodes is decent at best. |
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 25, 2009 10:55:58 GMT -5
Going back on Topic, it is far too early to judge Escobar, but i will admit what I've seen so far hasn't impressed me. But as long as he's aligned with the greatest natural heat getter in the business today, he'll last.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 11:03:34 GMT -5
Going back on Topic, it is far too early to judge Escobar, but i will admit what I've seen so far hasn't impressed me. But as long as he's aligned with the greatest natural heat getter in the business today, he'll last. If he keeps putting on crap performances in the ring, I doubt he will. Plus only Vickie is getting heat thus far. The crowd is dead when she isn't shrieking on the mic for him. |
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