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Post by MoleMan on Dec 29, 2006 1:59:49 GMT -5
Samoa Joe even states that he feels Umaga(or Ekmo) is a good wrestler. I'm sick of people saying he sucks. Say the gimmick forced on him sucks, say the finisher, the thumb of doom, forced on him sucks, say the way he's book sucks, but Umaga doesn't suck. Wrestlers don't control the booking.
any disagreements on this?
EDIT: Also, Why the f*** did his finisher go from the awesome powerslam-to-military-press-to-samoan-drop to a thumb poke?
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 29, 2006 2:00:26 GMT -5
Nope. I've been marking for Umaga the last couple months. He's alright by me.
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Post by Bhester on Dec 29, 2006 2:00:30 GMT -5
He doesn't suck, his character doesn't really interest me though.
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Post by nisi on Dec 29, 2006 2:04:55 GMT -5
I liked Umaga at first, but it didn't last long, and I don't understand or enjoy his ring style. He might not suck, but that doesn't mean he ain't a big ole mess.
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Post by mo on Dec 29, 2006 2:05:40 GMT -5
Umaga=greatness, I mark for the guy
and his entrance music is probably my current favorite
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Post by MGH on Dec 29, 2006 2:05:45 GMT -5
He's nothing special, but he doesn't suck. The character is just ... meh. On the bright side, he's brought us Armando to Raw.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 29, 2006 2:17:02 GMT -5
He's nothing special, but he doesn't suck. The character is just ... meh. On the bright side, he's brought us Armando to Raw. Oh Armando. Tu estas fantastico.
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Post by joeman on Dec 29, 2006 2:21:26 GMT -5
I liked Umaga from the very beginning. You don't see 300 pound men move like he does, and he plays the savage samoan persona well. I never understood why the IWC hates him, but then again I don't understand the IWC at all these days as they keep changing opinions from time to time on who to like and who not to like. Wasn't Cena popular(ala Kennedy) with the IWC in 2003?
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Post by DSR on Dec 29, 2006 2:37:53 GMT -5
I liked Umaga from the very beginning. You don't see 300 pound men move like he does, and he plays the savage samoan persona well. I never understood why the IWC hates him, but then again I don't understand the IWC at all these days as they keep changing opinions from time to time on who to like and who not to like. Wasn't Cena popular(ala Kennedy) with the IWC in 2003? You're absolutely right. The entire Internet Wrestling Community (of which you are a part) changed their mind so SUDDENLY about John Cena! And I can't understand why, considering he's still the same character he was in 2003...oh wait, no he's not. He had a heel rap gimmick that was interesting. Now he's got a force-fed boyscout/"marine"/superhero gimmick that isn't interesting. Sorry to turn this into a Cena thing. I'm done. As for Umaga. The character doesn't appeal to or interest me. None of Ekmo/Jamal/Umaga's characters interested me. Beyond that, he's got basically the Headshrinker gimmick from the early 90s. I'm somewhat sick of the "Savage Islander" gimmick.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 29, 2006 2:39:25 GMT -5
He's a pretty good big man wrestler, but the Umaga character bores me.
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Post by joeman on Dec 29, 2006 2:43:35 GMT -5
I liked Umaga from the very beginning. You don't see 300 pound men move like he does, and he plays the savage samoan persona well. I never understood why the IWC hates him, but then again I don't understand the IWC at all these days as they keep changing opinions from time to time on who to like and who not to like. Wasn't Cena popular(ala Kennedy) with the IWC in 2003? You're absolutely right. The entire Internet Wrestling Community (of which you are a part) changed their mind so SUDDENLY about John Cena! And I can't understand why, considering he's still the same character he was in 2003...oh wait, no he's not. He had a heel rap gimmick that was interesting. Now he's got a force-fed boyscout/"marine"/superhero gimmick that isn't interesting. I don't ever recall people complaining about Cena's wrestling ability in 2003, considering that his style hasn't changed as much. I can udnerstand the face/heel change, but I can't comprehend people saying Cena can't wrestle when they never complained about a few years ago. I am aware that I am part of the IWC, but I don't agree with the majority opinion most of the time.
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Post by MGH on Dec 29, 2006 2:48:05 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. The entire Internet Wrestling Community (of which you are a part) changed their mind so SUDDENLY about John Cena! And I can't understand why, considering he's still the same character he was in 2003...oh wait, no he's not. He had a heel rap gimmick that was interesting. Now he's got a force-fed boyscout/"marine"/superhero gimmick that isn't interesting. I don't ever recall people complaining about Cena's wrestling ability in 2003, considering that his style hasn't changed as much. I can udnerstand the face/heel change, but I can't comprehend people saying Cena can't wrestle when they never complained about a few years ago. I am aware that I am part of the IWC, but I don't agree with the majority opinion most of the time. That's where I'll disagree. No, Cena was never Bryan Danielson in the ring, but in 03 he was better. The best measuring stick of that is Angle. His match with Angle in 03 was awesome, but at Survivor Series in 05? Or Unforgiven in 05? Yikes. His matches in 03 were just much different than they are now as a whole. I'm personally more forgiving on a mediocre or bad worker if they have a good character or gimmick. In 03 Cena was an average worker with a hell of a hot character. Now he's a bad wrestler with a lame ass character. I see why the backlash comes now.
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Post by joeman on Dec 29, 2006 2:51:47 GMT -5
I don't ever recall people complaining about Cena's wrestling ability in 2003, considering that his style hasn't changed as much. I can udnerstand the face/heel change, but I can't comprehend people saying Cena can't wrestle when they never complained about a few years ago. I am aware that I am part of the IWC, but I don't agree with the majority opinion most of the time. That's where I'll disagree. No, Cena was never Bryan Danielson in the ring, but in 03 he was better. The best measuring stick of that is Angle. His match with Angle in 03 was awesome, but at Survivor Series in 05? Or Unforgiven in 05? Yikes. His matches in 03 were just much different than they are now as a whole. I'm personally more forgiving on a mediocre or bad worker if they have a good character or gimmick. In 03 Cena was an average worker with a hell of a hot character. Now he's a bad wrestler with a lame ass character. I see why the backlash comes now. I really can't argue with that since his matches with Angle in 03 was better than the ones in 05, but a lot of people agree that he didn't have a bad match in 06. Maybe Edge carried him, who knows.
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Post by DSR on Dec 29, 2006 2:57:49 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. The entire Internet Wrestling Community (of which you are a part) changed their mind so SUDDENLY about John Cena! And I can't understand why, considering he's still the same character he was in 2003...oh wait, no he's not. He had a heel rap gimmick that was interesting. Now he's got a force-fed boyscout/"marine"/superhero gimmick that isn't interesting. I don't ever recall people complaining about Cena's wrestling ability in 2003, considering that his style hasn't changed as much. I can udnerstand the face/heel change, but I can't comprehend people saying Cena can't wrestle when they never complained about a few years ago. Cena's style did change, though. He didn't always do the get-beat-down/Hulk-Up/Five-Moves-of-Doom routine that he does now. All of his matches of late seem to follow this pattern. And, in 03, he would actually lose matches. Clean, even. Now, he can't lose a match unless he already wrestled an Elimination Chamber match or there's "Extreme Rules" or it's a handicap match. Again, I'm sorry for turning this into a Cena thread. This was not my intent.
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Post by MGH on Dec 29, 2006 2:59:52 GMT -5
I really can't argue with that since his matches with Angle in 03 was better than the ones in 05, but a lot of people agree that he didn't have a bad match in 06. Maybe Edge carried him, who knows. Well I will say he's been better in 06 than he was in 05. He's had a couple of matches I've enjoyed. I thought he did a hell of a job at ONS and in the TLC match at Unforgiven. And the ONS showing looks even better when you see how Big Dave reacted to getting crapped on. I don't know, I think the battle lines have more or less been drawn when it comes to Cena. The people who like him will continue to like him, and the people that don't probably never will unless he gets a drastic character change. It probably doesn't help that he's only lost 1 or 2 matches clean since 2004. And that was something I actually looked up for someone else a couple of weeks ago, not a random Cena hate fact I just think if you are going to continue to give someone 6 month title runs, there are better options. But that's just me.
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Post by joeman on Dec 29, 2006 3:16:20 GMT -5
I'll stop posting about Cena after this thread, as I do think this should have been in a Cena thread rather than ruinng in the Umaga thread with this. BTW, I started it so I should get the blame and not you, mod.
Main event faces are always pushed as unstoppable, no jobbing beasts. From Hogan, Warrior, Stone Cold, and the Rock, all are booked similiar to what Cena is booked now. Cena did lose to Umaga in an edition of RAW cleanly awhile ago.
In "Support the Troops" Cena showed more than punches/5 moves of doom in his match with Edge. I honestly think he can do a hell of a lot more in his matches, but I think the management doesn't let him imo.
I do agree he shouldn't be holding the title for long peroids of time. I think someone like Edge should deserve a long run of the gold.
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Post by DSR on Dec 29, 2006 3:36:19 GMT -5
Hogan was the 80s. It was a different time. Hell, WWF didn't have as many PPVs and shows as they do now, either.
Warrior didn't last all that long as a main eventer. He sorta faded out pretty quickly.
Stone Cold lost all the time! He spent more time chasing the title and getting "screwed" by McMahon then he did actually holding the title.
The Rock lost a ton of matches. Remember he dropped the title to Mankind, more than once. If it was a Cena feud, Cena would've beat him in the first match, then beat him in a handicap match, then beat him with one arm tied behind his back, with a heel ref.
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Post by skiller on Dec 29, 2006 4:34:27 GMT -5
Hogan was the 80s. It was a different time. Hell, WWF didn't have as many PPVs and shows as they do now, either. Warrior didn't last all that long as a main eventer. He sorta faded out pretty quickly. Stone Cold lost all the time! He spent more time chasing the title and getting "screwed" by McMahon then he did actually holding the title. The Rock lost a ton of matches. Remember he dropped the title to Mankind, more than once. If it was a Cena feud, Cena would've beat him in the first match, then beat him in a handicap match, then beat him with one arm tied behind his back, with a heel ref. Also, add the fact that Cena is always in the title picture, even when he's not the champion. Ever since he won the title at WM21, he's never been in a lengthy program that didn't involve the WWE Title.
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2006 5:05:31 GMT -5
I like Umaga but he should have been on Smackdown. RAW is relatively free of gimmicks and you have this one absurd character running around.
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Post by MoleMan on Dec 29, 2006 6:35:58 GMT -5
Well maybe I shoulda called this thread "Cena sucks now but he used to be good"
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