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Post by somedensefish on Nov 19, 2009 3:03:00 GMT -5
i voted hedburg.
and as per the o.p., i read a lot about nirvana when i was younger, and it seemed like, by the end, all kurt really wanted to do was shoot up and sleep. his death could not really have been prevented like, say, john lennon's, if he hadn't 've shot himself, he would've od'd intentionally or accidentally probably around the same time. and nirvana was basically broken up when he died.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 19, 2009 3:03:35 GMT -5
I had to vote for Sam Kinison since I knew no one else would since he was quite a bit before the average age of this forum was old enough to watch him. Funny how Bill Hicks who is totally overrated has this stupid internet cult following yet no one hardly mentions the guy he ripped off. Because Kinison doesn't "offer" much to the intelligentsia. They just see him as an "angry" comic or that guy in Back to School or whatever the heck. At least that's my hypothesis.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 19, 2009 3:15:02 GMT -5
I had to vote for Sam Kinison since I knew no one else would since he was quite a bit before the average age of this forum was old enough to watch him. Funny how Bill Hicks who is totally overrated has this stupid internet cult following yet no one hardly mentions the guy he ripped off. Because Kinison doesn't "offer" much to the intelligentsia. They just see him as an "angry" comic or that guy in Back to School or whatever the heck. At least that's my hypothesis. Having lived through Kinnison's flame-out, I can say it was truly a case of the brightest star burning out the fastest. The man, when he was at the top of his game, was untouchable. I don't expect some of these older generation choices (aside from the obviously well knowns like Lennon and Presley) to get a whole lot of love. I think this board skews younger, so you're more than likely going to get a lot of people voting for a star that lived and died in their lifetimes. Again, though...it's a case of "you can't for sure say who had the most left". George Carlin, in his seventies (almost 80?) may have had a helluva lot more in his tank in the little bit of life he had left than, say, one of the more dissatisfied, depressed, or drug addicted choices like Cobain, Presley, or even Hendrix or Jackson. Hell, how much did Lenny Bruce have left? Belushi? You just can't say.
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Post by H-Fist on Nov 19, 2009 3:41:20 GMT -5
Because Kinison doesn't "offer" much to the intelligentsia. They just see him as an "angry" comic or that guy in Back to School or whatever the heck. At least that's my hypothesis. Having lived through Kinnison's flame-out, I can say it was truly a case of the brightest star burning out the fastest. The man, when he was at the top of his game, was untouchable. I don't expect some of these older generation choices (aside from the obviously well knowns like Lennon and Presley) to get a whole lot of love. I think this board skews younger, so you're more than likely going to get a lot of people voting for a star that lived and died in their lifetimes. Again, though...it's a case of "you can't for sure say who had the most left". George Carlin, in his seventies (almost 80?) may have had a helluva lot more in his tank in the little bit of life he had left than, say, one of the more dissatisfied, depressed, or drug addicted choices like Cobain, Presley, or even Hendrix or Jackson. Hell, how much did Lenny Bruce have left? Belushi? You just can't say. I agree with much of this...except I'm just 25 and, as I said earlier, I went with Other/Hank Sr, who was of a slightly earlier period than Holly. Probably the most often overlooked aspect of Buddy Holly's influence was that the bassist in the Crickets was a young Waylon Jennings. At some point, people who died of their own doing at a young age (Hank's spina bifida was arguably partially responsible for his addictions) can't be said to have had "as much left," really, as people whose deaths were the result of some outside cause - plane crash, murder, eaten by wolves...I do think, though, that occasionally we can see glimpses of what the former artists might have done by looking at their last recordings. In Hank's case, "Your Cheatin' Heart" was actually a posthumous release and is arguably his greatest lasting achievement as both writer and singer. So this is really hard; just as it is impossible to predict the future, it's impossible to think of the butterfly effect of Buddy and 18-year-old Richie Valens not crashing or Belushi never having his first drink of booze and falling into the addictions that killed him. No Belushi might mean no Candy and no Farley, for all we know.
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Post by -Lithium- on Nov 19, 2009 5:20:51 GMT -5
Tupac had alot more to do and alot of time to do it. The guy had so much material already made that we still get albums today. Biafra really said it better then I could. And from the little Ive actually seen, he was a great actor as well. He was real convincing in Juice.
Also I know its pretty played out on the internet to go on and on about Heath Ledger, but the guy doesn't get all this post-death hype for nothing. Its not like his last performance was just a mediocre showing that critics had only hyped out ONCE he died. It was there before he did. But that doesnt matter really. Hype or backlash, dead or alive, his last finished performance was amazing and it warranted the Oscar it got him. Everyone saw his real potential, and they would have given him good, big roles accordingly.
I also think Mitch Hedberg had alot to offer (I think we all know that just by his creativeness alone), and he had alot of fame coming to him. I imagine he would do that HBO Special he was about to do, and then would over the next couple of years became a pretty big name in the comedy world.
Bill Hicks still had alot to give. As long as there was lies and corruption in the world, Bill Hicks would have had something to offer. It only got worse and worse after he died too. I dont think he would have sold out like Leary either. He always was very against things like that, something Leary either never was or never got around to saying, or atleast practicing.
As for Kurt Cobain, I dont think he was ever going to be anymore famous then he was before he died. Death really cements the legend and legacy. In the long run though he would still easily be recognized as one of the last great rock stars. Would their be a Nirvana/Cobain backlash down the line, or a influx of people claiming he wasnt that great? Yeah, thats gonna happen whether he lived or died, but he would have never been thought of as a flash in the pan like some people say. You wouldn't ever have the masses looking back and claiming that Nirvana was a bad band. I think he would have gone solo like he planned, and continued to put out songs that were great, but not as commercially successful. Hopefully people would look at him and get reminded that rock needs to be shaken up once in a while, because it really does now. All in all, he still had alot to offer, but not in the more conventional way people seem to think...
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Post by biafra on Nov 19, 2009 7:09:50 GMT -5
I had to vote for Sam Kinison since I knew no one else would since he was quite a bit before the average age of this forum was old enough to watch him. Funny how Bill Hicks who is totally overrated has this stupid internet cult following yet no one hardly mentions the guy he ripped off. I disagree that Hick's was over rated or a Sam Kinison rip off; this from someone who actually was a fan when Hicks was alive and went through a long period where he was in danger of being forgotten.
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Post by Brother Coyote on Nov 19, 2009 7:56:42 GMT -5
I had to vote for Sam Kinison since I knew no one else would since he was quite a bit before the average age of this forum was old enough to watch him. Funny how Bill Hicks who is totally overrated has this stupid internet cult following yet no one hardly mentions the guy he ripped off. I disagree that Hick's was over rated or a Sam Kinison rip off; this from someone who actually was a fan when Hicks was alive and went through a long period where he was in danger of being forgotten. Hicks seemed to me, to not so much be an angry comedian but just a comedian who was often times angry. Most of his stuff actually comes across as really thoughtful in my opinion. Did things make him mad, Yes, but that wasn't his bit really. Just a thought on Sid Vicious being on the list... Sid REALLY didn't have that much to offer while he was alive. He was basically an image that was sold to people, and he could barely play the bass. Rotten is my Pistol of preference.
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Post by biafra on Nov 19, 2009 15:57:44 GMT -5
Hick's didn't rip off anyone..but if the charge were to be labeled at anyone it'd be Lenny Bruce..not Kinison.
Anyone who thinks Hick's schtick was his rants never really heard anything but clips.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 19, 2009 17:00:02 GMT -5
I picked Hendrix, though Lennon, Holly, Mercury, Phoenix or Brandon Lee would all be decent choices as well.
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Post by millionurkle on Nov 19, 2009 17:16:27 GMT -5
Tupac was 23. As a few have said, i think almost all had more to offer. tupac was 25
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