Greer
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Post by Greer on Feb 23, 2010 17:37:14 GMT -5
Ok let's really look at it.
The fingerpoke of doom happens and Goldberg gets beat down that night.
It could have eventually led to Goldberg plowing through each member of the nWo to get right back to Hogan, squashing him and killing the nWo once and for all.
Obviously they didn't do that, but what if they did? Would your thoughts on the fingerpoke change?
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Feb 23, 2010 18:42:37 GMT -5
Yes.
To be fair Nash said outright in subsequent shoots that it was designed to piss people off, blurring the line between 'real' heat and just wrestling heat.
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Post by Pounder on Feb 23, 2010 19:22:38 GMT -5
It really wasn't. WCW was in decline before that and if you look at the ratings, they didn't really start to fall off until around the time WWE was building up to Wrestlemania of that year, which was the first big one for them in a few years at that point.
Unfortunately it's become gospel on the internet that this was some pivotal, drastic moment which altered the course of wrestling history.
It wasn't. That's never been the reality.
Unfortunately, sound bites and scapegoats make more recognisable legends.
It has ALMOST become a joke how people believe the retrospective hype around how damaging or important this event was.
Not saying it was a smart move and it irritated a lot of people, same as a lot of things irritated a lot of people on Nitro and probably Raw at the time.
But as I said, facts won't ever change that people have now been conditioned to believe that this one segment on this one television show, somehow unlike ALL other singular segments in wrestling history both the good, bad, ugly and unorgettable, had the power to shift an entire industry and alienate viewer-ship. So, the answer, on the internet at least and from everyone who has a product to shill on this very premise, will be yes.
Reality will always be substantially different.
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TuneinTokyo
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Feb 23, 2010 23:49:30 GMT -5
I wasn't around wrestling at the time so I really have no idea other than what I have read and seen. WCW was falling apart for sure with or without the poke.
I still honestly don't know the build up and what anything was about. I just read the book.
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Post by nibbles on Feb 24, 2010 0:04:56 GMT -5
Wasn't it supposed to lead into a storyline where Goldberg would then go on to plow through the nWo, effectively ending the faction once and for all, and regain the title? I thought I read this somewhere but Goldberg injured himself and the whole thing just kind of fizzled out.
I don't think it was as bad as people try to make it out to be. The Mick Foley remark was far worse than the fingerpoke, imo.
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 24, 2010 0:11:10 GMT -5
Wasn't it supposed to lead into a storyline where Goldberg would then go on to plow through the nWo, effectively ending the faction once and for all, and regain the title? I thought I read this somewhere but Goldberg injured himself and the whole thing just kind of fizzled out. I don't think it was as bad as people try to make it out to be. The Mick Foley remark was far worse than the fingerpoke, imo. Yeah, but it was horrific all the same. I did a whole post on it a few days ago.
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Post by hitokiri on Feb 24, 2010 0:14:47 GMT -5
It does seem to be the moment when the WCW World Title lost its meaning. Following that event, the belt began changing hands at a rapid pace.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Feb 24, 2010 0:56:37 GMT -5
Regardless of the shape that WCW was in at the time the Fingerpoke was still a big fat middle finger to the fans, thinking that they're loyal enough to the brand that they'll swallow anything. The thing that Big Kev doesn't get is that when you get real heat, people stop watching.
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Post by Throwback on Feb 24, 2010 12:06:47 GMT -5
didn't shawn and hunter do a finger poke of doom around the same time? How come people don't bring that up over and over and over?
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Feb 24, 2010 12:15:02 GMT -5
That was only for the European title.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Feb 24, 2010 12:18:32 GMT -5
didn't shawn and hunter do a finger poke of doom around the same time? How come people don't bring that up over and over and over? I believe Shawn and Hunter did it first as a total farce for the European title. It is probably not brought up because it had no impact on the company at all.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 24, 2010 15:07:22 GMT -5
People were tired of the nwo. And Goldberg would have killed the nwo the same way Sting killed them at Starrcade 1998. You just know Hogan/Hall/Nash would have found a way out of jobbing.
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Raging_Demons
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Post by Raging_Demons on Feb 24, 2010 18:21:43 GMT -5
Ok let's really look at it. The fingerpoke of doom happens and Goldberg gets beat down that night. It could have eventually led to Goldberg plowing through each member of the nWo to get right back to Hogan, squashing him and killing the nWo once and for all. Obviously they didn't do that, but what if they did? Would your thoughts on the fingerpoke change? It wouldn't had happened period. Was it that bad? I saw it. Yeah it was that bad.
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smoot
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Post by smoot on Feb 25, 2010 15:09:33 GMT -5
The Fingerpoke was ages ago, but I remember the Shawn/HHH "Version" of same.
The difference was, istr, this:
Hogan/Nash was billed as a Wolfpac (Red and Black ) vs NWO Hollywood (Black and White) feud- and maybe the short, sharp end to the NWO angle overall. It turned out to be more of the same, without a match that some people were really looking forward to.
(Not me, mind you, I was sick of the whole thing by then. Putting every heavy hitter you'd be interested in on the same side prevented some awesome matches.)
The Michaels/HHH thing was a 'setup' to try and ruin DX Original Flavor (as opposed to, I dunno, DX extra crispy, later.) The idea was that by putting two DXers on the same match, "the brass" (ie McMahon) thought he'd break the team up somehow. They put on a ridiculous match to show how stupid that idea was.
There was very little build on it, and the 'fingerpoke' was depicted as putting one over on Mr McMahon (rather than "us", like the Hogan/Nash poke). It built DX as 'tricksters' that couldnt be yanked around that easily, as opposed to the big ol' Reset Button of the Wolfpack and Hollywood reuiniting.
Not saying either was the Worst Thing Ever, but there was a difference.
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Jay Peas 42
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Feb 25, 2010 22:08:03 GMT -5
I think it was the larger context, and the humilation that came with the whole "Butts in the seats comment."
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Grendel
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Post by Grendel on Feb 26, 2010 21:48:57 GMT -5
Um ... yes, it was bad. It was so bad I had to leave my friend's house before I broke something. Hogan wearing the strap yet again and getting it in such a bullshit way drove me snorking insane.
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Post by Trent Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 23:04:17 GMT -5
In a word, it was a big steaming pile of shit. At this point the nWo had run its course and the fans wanted to see a new storyline. The nWo was supposed to end at Starrcade 98 (which turned out to be an abortion of a match.) but it continued anyway with Nash and Savage rebelling and forming their own version of the nWo. So Goldberg bursts onto the scene and starts mauling everyone they put in his path. But ol' Whisker Biscuit ( The Rock's nickname for him.) wasn't a match for Nash's Ego who decided that he should be the one to drive the stake into the heart of the killing machine that is Goldberg.
The next night, Goldberg is set for a rematch against Big Poochie..but is arrested for "Stalking" The lovely Miss Liz. And so, Hogan comes and takes his place. Tony Schiavone tells us not to switch the channel because Mick Foley is about to win the WWF Title..that would put some butts in the seats. Anyways, Hogan and Nash are about to clash. The two of them look like they are about to kill eachother. Then with one love tap by the Orange Goblin, Nash goes down as if he was hit by a bus. Hogan covers him..1..2..3..Hogan is champ, and the nWo has reunited...
Thanks to Miss Liz's bogus testimony, Goldberg is free from the clink and goes to the arena....WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POLICE STATION....but is severely beaten down for his troubles by the reunited nWo.
Lesson learned..Hogan always gets what he wants.
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Post by arthuradams2002 on Feb 27, 2010 17:08:39 GMT -5
Here is the best way to put it. At the time, the nwo gimmick was extremely over with fans. The nwo merchandise alone was selling through the roof. WCW felt the need to create a babyface version of the nwo, while still having the heel faction. So in 1998, you had the split of nwo good guys (wolfpac) versus nwo bad guys (hollywood). So, around the end of 1998, the fans were anticipating a big blowoff to this rivalry. All we got was the conclusion of "they were friends all along."
That is why I think that is a mistake to try to still run feuds between Hall, Waltman, and Nash. I was watching it last week and they had Kid and Hall lay out Nash. I am thinking, we all know that these guys are best friends in real life. At this point, it is hard to suspend disbelief with either of these guys against each other in a feud on TV. Doing the scenairo of Hall and Nash are on the outs again, is not going to be a groundbreaking angle.
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Post by mikethelooter on Mar 4, 2010 21:54:26 GMT -5
At least the FPOD had some sort of reason/angle to, unlike when Hogan laid down against Sting or when Jarrett laid down against Hogan. Those two situations were just a couple a guys acting like babies
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Post by Kris Kobain on Mar 24, 2010 2:04:20 GMT -5
It was stupid and made Hogan look like a giant baby at a later time when Jarrett laid down for him at a ppv and Hogan threw a fit saying it's things like that that are causing the company to go out of business. It apparetly had nothing to do with idiots like Hogan being selfish.
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