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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Nov 30, 2009 9:47:12 GMT -5
Catwoman did give us the only Razzie Acceptance Speech. Look, a flop doesn't have to be bad, it just has lose a lot of money. Exactly. No one is saying these movies are bad (although there's no defense for Catwoman), just that they cost a ton of money and had no returns. Land of the Lost could have actually made money had they dropped the stupid toilet humor and made it a kid-friendly PG movie. The worst parts of the movie were the PG-13 stuff. It actually could have done much better had they tried not to play to the Will Farrell crowd and rather gone after kids. |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 30, 2009 9:49:40 GMT -5
Catwoman did give us the only Razzie Acceptance Speech. Look, a flop doesn't have to be bad, it just has lose a lot of money. Bill Cosby says hello. |
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 30, 2009 9:49:48 GMT -5
I saw The Spirit. Now I'm not sure if this is true, but I got the feeling that the Sin Cityesque colors were done pretty poorly. It detracted from the film. Also his ability to flirt with any woman got really annoying after a while. Part of the greatness of the Sin City females is that although each tale is a love story, it doesn't feel like the love story is beating you over the head with a brick. Also was I the only one that noticed that Octopus' pre-occupation with a number went back and forth between 6 and 8.
Also Swept Away only cost 10 Million to make, but it only made 600K. There's no listing on Wiki of how much the DVD might have made, but it takes more then 10 mill to make a flop.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 30, 2009 9:50:38 GMT -5
ok, just how in the hell can Land of the Lost be considered a bigger flop than Catwoman if both cost the same amount of money to make yet LOTL made $25 million more than Catwoman I think it's because LotL was pushed as a Super Huge Mega Blockbuster up to at least a week after it was released like a fart in church. Catwoman was expected to be bad from the start. Yeah, how you can take a character's name that a majority of Americans are aware of and then not make a movie about the character is beyond me. By that logic I'm going to make a movie called Spider-Man, but it's going to be about an albino who can shoot spiders from his fingertips. I was serverly disappointed about Grindhouse flopping. I think both movies are great, but I think the retro 70's grindhouse feel only appeals to a niche market which I am a member of. |
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 30, 2009 9:51:11 GMT -5
Catwoman did give us the only Razzie Acceptance Speech. Look, a flop doesn't have to be bad, it just has lose a lot of money. I thought Tom Green did one for Freddy Got Fingered. Yea, not only that, but he did his thing and they ended up having to psychically remove him from the stage. |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Nov 30, 2009 9:51:32 GMT -5
THE SPIRIT wasn't horrible either.....it was Frank Miller at his most Frank Miller-esque.....in other words, so over the top that it's almost worth watching just to see what he would do next. Yeah it was Frank Miller at his most Frank Miller-esque.......which aint what the Spirit is at all and turned off anyone who knew anything about the Spirit. I haven't seen The Spirit yet, but... whew! I dunno know about that. ... As for me, count me in on the Grindhouse crowd who was disappointed to see it fail when it was so much fun. I wish that there could be a special edition set (mainly for the fake trailers to actually be included... well, besides Machete). |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 30, 2009 9:54:30 GMT -5
I think it's because LotL was pushed as a Super Huge Mega Blockbuster up to at least a week after it was released like a fart in church. Catwoman was expected to be bad from the start. Yeah, how you can take a character's name that a majority of Americans are aware of and then not make a movie about the character is beyond me. By that logic I'm going to make a movie called Spider-Man, but it's going to be about an albino who can shoot spiders from his fingertips.  "Sir, I would like to finance your movie." |
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 30, 2009 9:55:45 GMT -5
Yeah it was Frank Miller at his most Frank Miller-esque.......which aint what the Spirit is at all and turned off anyone who knew anything about the Spirit. I haven't seen The Spirit yet, but... whew! I dunno know about that. ... As for me, count me in on the Grindhouse crowd who was disappointed to see it fail when it was so much fun. I wish that there could be a special edition set (mainly for the fake trailers to actually be included... well, besides Machete). I read an interview where QT did confirm that was a project in the works, but it's somewhat down the pipe. Personally I think he needs to finish Kill Bill: The whole bloody affair first. I want the movie, but I'm not buying a bare bones blu-ray release for it. |
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 30, 2009 10:14:50 GMT -5
I haven't seen The Spirit yet, but... whew! I dunno know about that. ... As for me, count me in on the Grindhouse crowd who was disappointed to see it fail when it was so much fun. I wish that there could be a special edition set (mainly for the fake trailers to actually be included... well, besides Machete). I read an interview where QT did confirm that was a project in the works, but it's somewhat down the pipe. Personally I think he needs to finish Kill Bill: The whole bloody affair first. I want the movie, but I'm not buying a bare bones blu-ray release for it. There's a 6 disc Grindhouse box set in Japan. Basically, they took the original discs for the separate movies, then added a disc that's just the two movies together in the original format then another disc of new special features. You can check out the details HERE. I think it's funny yet sad that the article urges readers to wait for a North American release, but the article is almost 2 years old now. |
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 30, 2009 10:29:08 GMT -5
Where is the hell is Delgo? I heard that flop big time. Maybe the people at Reuters had never heard of like, like 99 percent of the movie-going public? But yeah, Delgo cost $40 million to make and grossed $700,000. Maybe it didn't get included because it wasn't as widely released as other films (2000 or so theaters compared to 3000 of most major pictures), or because it was an independent film, but it was definitely a major flop. |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Nov 30, 2009 11:58:04 GMT -5
Catwoman did give us the only Razzie Acceptance Speech. Look, a flop doesn't have to be bad, it just has lose a lot of money. Bill Cosby says hello. I was born in 1981. Google, Google, Google. Oh, yeah, he did accept an award. Look, if a comedian shows up and accepts a Razzie, that's one thing. Comedians know how to handle failure, they know how to laugh at themselves, and they know how to deal with hecklers. Hallie Berry on the other hand, is a beauty queen with an oscar, who's drama to comedy ratio is Everything:BAPS. Demanding that her servants address her as Mistress and not look her in the eyes would not be unusual behavior for someone like her. For her to accept one, is most unusual. But back to this flop thing. You have to think big to fall big. Manos is a horrible film. But nobody outside of a few unpaid actors in a small town in Arizona were affected by it. Myra Breckenridge, on the other hand, lost millions of dollars, was a horrible film, destroyed the novel it was based on, was sued by older actors, and has been denounced by all. To be a flop, you have to destroy studios, careers, actors and everything associated with them. |
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 30, 2009 12:07:01 GMT -5
I was born in 1981. Google, Google, Google. Oh, yeah, he did accept an award. Look, if a comedian shows up and accepts a Razzie, that's one thing. Comedians know how to handle failure, they know how to laugh at themselves, and they know how to deal with hecklers. Hallie Berry on the other hand, is a beauty queen with an oscar, who's drama to comedy ratio is Everything:BAPS. Demanding that her servants address her as Mistress and not look her in the eyes would not be unusual behavior for someone like her. For her to accept one, is most unusual. But back to this flop thing. You have to think big to fall big. Manos is a horrible film. But nobody outside of a few unpaid actors in a small town in Arizona were affected by it. Myra Breckenridge, on the other hand, lost millions of dollars, was a horrible film, destroyed the novel it was based on, was sued by older actors, and has been denounced by all. To be a flop, you have to destroy studios, careers, actors and everything associated with them. I'd agree with you, but by that logic I don't think Grindhouse belongs on that list then. QT and Robert Rodiguez are both major directors, Rose McGowan, and Rosario Dawson are still popular actors. |
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 30, 2009 12:20:25 GMT -5
The Spirit was the funniest movie I saw last year, I'm not sure if that was the intent or not, but it was.  "Toilets are always funny." |
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 30, 2009 14:05:12 GMT -5
But back to this flop thing. You have to think big to fall big. Manos is a horrible film. But nobody outside of a few unpaid actors in a small town in Arizona were affected by it. Myra Breckenridge, on the other hand, lost millions of dollars, was a horrible film, destroyed the novel it was based on, was sued by older actors, and has been denounced by all. To be a flop, you have to destroy studios, careers, actors and everything associated with them. I don't think you necessarily have to be destroyed by it, but it should be a pretty big negative impact for someone involved. |
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Post by VenomFang on Nov 30, 2009 14:28:26 GMT -5
I was hoping Speed Racer would make the list.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Nov 30, 2009 15:46:03 GMT -5
Well, I suppose I shouldn't say a flop has to destroy careers, it just has to have the potential to. I belive RD once explained the reason why Wrestlecrap focuses on WCW and WWF is because both are large promotions with creative departments with lots of shows that should know better, as opposed to Indy promotions where gimmicks are whatever costumes are in the trunk of the car. The same largely holds true for bad films.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 16:01:47 GMT -5
I was hoping Speed Racer would make the list. It was given overwhelmingly positive reviews by not only critics, but also the few that actually watched it. Yeah it lost a lot of money, but a film that was reviewed positively across the board is never a flop in my eyes. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 30, 2009 17:10:05 GMT -5
Three things:
1. A flop is a flop is a flop. No matter how good something is, if it doesn't make money, it's a flop.
2. Though never directly stated, I believe this film only reflects American films and their US box office. That's why Australia isn't on the list, or else it would be at #1. It would be unfair to compare foreign films' stateside intakes like that, just as it would be to use the box office for, say, X-Men 2 in Brazil as its measure of success.
3. One thing that has long negated lists like this is DVD. Even the worst film can make money back on DVD now. I'm pretty positive even crap like Catwoman is in the black now thanks to disc sales.
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Post by Joker on Nov 30, 2009 17:21:39 GMT -5
Grindhouse? Really that one flopped down to marketing and people not wanting to sit in a cinema through two movies.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 30, 2009 17:29:25 GMT -5
Grindhouse? Really that one flopped down to marketing and people not wanting to sit in a cinema through two movies. Again, though, it doesn't matter *why* it flopped, it just did. |
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