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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 22:05:00 GMT -5
Considering that in the last two weeks they've apparently killed {Spoiler}Kyle Rayner and Damage I have no doubt that this is all leading to a mass resurrection. Except Johns has assured everyone it's not going to lead to a mass resurrection. ONe of the main points that BN is hitting is solving the revolving door of death in DC. And unfortunately it gonna involve Johns f***ing with the Phantom Stranger.
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Post by The Tank on Nov 13, 2009 22:08:19 GMT -5
Considering that in the last two weeks they've apparently killed {Spoiler}Kyle Rayner and Damage I have no doubt that this is all leading to a mass resurrection. Except Johns has assured everyone it's not going to lead to a mass resurrection. ONe of the main points that BN is hitting is solving the revolving door of death in DC. And unfortunately it gonna involve Johns f***ing with the Phantom Stranger. ...Phantom Stranger? Seriously? *facepa.......... You know what? No. I trust Johns to actually do this in a manner that comes out good.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 22:21:45 GMT -5
You know if not for that stupid Vertigo company rule, I'm certain you would have had John Constantine laugh as Phantom Stranger gets laid to rest. Sounds like a jerkish sort of moment for that character.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 22:30:41 GMT -5
Except Johns has assured everyone it's not going to lead to a mass resurrection. ONe of the main points that BN is hitting is solving the revolving door of death in DC. And unfortunately it gonna involve Johns f***ing with the Phantom Stranger. ...Phantom Stranger? Seriously? *facepa.......... You know what? No. I trust Johns to actually do this in a manner that comes out good. I know, the Phatom Stranger is one of those characters you do not f*** with or reveal anything about. HE'S THE f***ING PHANTOM STRANGER! IT'S IN THE NAME! And all so goddamnit if a JSA member had to die why not Magogg? Everyone hates that c***. You know if not for that stupid Vertigo company rule, I'm certain you would have had John Constantine laugh as Phantom Stranger gets laid to rest. Sounds like a jerkish sort of moment for that character. THe vertigo rule varies. Things like the Endless and the current Madame Xanadu series *Pick it up, shits good* fall in the mainline DCU and some Hellblazer stuff.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 22:38:23 GMT -5
...Phantom Stranger? Seriously? *facepa.......... You know what? No. I trust Johns to actually do this in a manner that comes out good. I know, the Phatom Stranger is one of those characters you do not f*** with or reveal anything about. HE'S THE f***ING PHANTOM STRANGER! IT'S IN THE NAME! And all so goddamnit if a JSA member had to die why not Magogg? Everyone hates that c***. Because Johns wanted you to pay attention. You know if not for that stupid Vertigo company rule, I'm certain you would have had John Constantine laugh as Phantom Stranger gets laid to rest. Sounds like a jerkish sort of moment for that character. THe vertigo rule varies. Things like the Endless and the current Madame Xanadu series *Pick it up, s***s good* fall in the mainline DCU and some Hellblazer stuff.[/quote] It varies annoyingly. Either yes or not. And really, whats more "real" without the capes in a universe of demons, gods, angels, fates, sandmen, Saint of Killers, Genesis, etc.? Then again, the Vertigo gang would probably be randomly killed off in a (irrelevant) epic storyline by now. Maybe V is right. I just think that "rule" limits the creativity for the material more than frees it.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 22:44:29 GMT -5
The rule was put in place by Grant and Gaiman mainly because they wanted control of the Vertigo stuff and if anyone wants to use it in the mainline they have to ask. All so the Vertigo Imprint allows writers to write stuff that wouldn't fit due to being to mature *Though that line is starting to get blurred nowadays*
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 22:53:27 GMT -5
The rule was put in place by Grant and Gaiman mainly because they wanted control of the Vertigo stuff and if anyone wants to use it in the mainline they have to ask. All so the Vertigo Imprint allows writers to write stuff that wouldn't fit due to being to mature *Though that line is starting to get blurred nowadays* The rule at the time made sense, yet consider how when Grant Morrison...no schmuck of a writer...wanted Constantine for his team book and Vertigo vetoed. So he had to create a proxy character. Nevermind that the original "Vertigo" character originated from the Swamp Thing comic book. Even made a few appearances here and there in the DC mainline universe before that rule went ironfist. Considering Blackest Night, I think maybe that "line" has been buried. Unless hearts getting graphically ripped out is now for the kids.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 22:57:19 GMT -5
The rule was put in place by Grant and Gaiman mainly because they wanted control of the Vertigo stuff and if anyone wants to use it in the mainline they have to ask. All so the Vertigo Imprint allows writers to write stuff that wouldn't fit due to being to mature *Though that line is starting to get blurred nowadays* The rule at the time made sense, yet consider how when Grant Morrison...no schmuck of a writer...wanted Constantine for his team book and Vertigo vetoed. So he had to create a proxy character. Nevermind that the original "Vertigo" character originated from the Swamp Thing comic book. Even made a few appearances here and there in the DC mainline universe before that rule went ironfist. Considering Blackest Night, I think maybe that "line" has been buried. Unless hearts getting graphically ripped out is now for the kids. I never did get why the rule went so tight for awhile. Especially how people were shutting out Grant and Neil. And then there were the people trying to get Doom PAtrol under the Vertigo imprint only for some reason.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 23:02:51 GMT -5
Or how in the 80s, DC really held tight to an obscure 60s failed hippie hero Brother Power the Geek.
At least he's in apparently an upcoming Brave & the Bold issue. That's cool.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 23:17:12 GMT -5
Worse was Bwanna Beast. Most racist superhero or most racist superhero?
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 23:23:49 GMT -5
Worse was Bwanna Beast. Most racist superhero or most racist superhero? Sorry, but what was racist about him again?
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 23:25:37 GMT -5
1. Greatest hero in Africa is a White dude from America 2. His name is what slaves used to call the Slavers 3. Bwanna translates to God
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Post by The Tank on Nov 13, 2009 23:27:26 GMT -5
1. Greatest hero in Africa is a White dude from America 2. His name is what slaves used to call the Slavers 3. Bwanna translates to God To be fair, the dude is like, E-string or something. If he hadn't randomly shown up in that episode of JLU with Batman and Zatanna, I would have no idea who he is.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 23:30:03 GMT -5
1. Greatest hero in Africa is a White dude from America 2. His name is what slaves used to call the Slavers 3. Bwanna translates to God Oh.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 13, 2009 23:36:26 GMT -5
1. Greatest hero in Africa is a White dude from America 2. His name is what slaves used to call the Slavers 3. Bwanna translates to God Oh. Yeah, in Grant's Animal Man run he basically got his ass kicked and was revealed as fraud because Grant was basically like "WHO THE f*** THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?"
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 13, 2009 23:39:05 GMT -5
God bless Grant.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 14, 2009 11:52:33 GMT -5
IMO isn't the Vertigo thing kinda moot, now? I mean, most Vertigo titles aren't even involved with the DC universe.
and I gotta call shenanigans on DC with the all the gore in their apparently mainstream all ages titles. it's like the dark age never ended sometimes. it's like "look superheroes can be for adults wah wah wah why won't you take me seriously, mom?"
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Post by Michael Coello on Nov 29, 2009 18:56:34 GMT -5
Bumping this up because I was reading the new GC Sirens, and there's a promo page or something for BN: Wonder Woman #1. {Spoiler}It features shots of Amazons getting killed, with WW holding someone in her arms, with Superman or something looking on in the darkness. There also a shot of skeleton Batman there with the eyes smoking. There's also a little note from Ian Settler to Dan DiDio where he goes "I can't tell what's more spectacular, Nicola's art or all the dead heroes." The Lanterns seriously reached bloated nWo stage when I read Batman and saw a bunchy of Z-Grade guys get rings, and that was at least 2 months ago. Now, I don't even care anymore what happens. I just don't care anymore. DC can be just zombies now fighting other zombies as vampires start singing Elvis, I just don't care. I'm just gonna hope that this stuff doesn't bother me when I read Power Girl and Vigilante like they did Doom Patrol and Booster Gold. Let me also add, Adventure Comics #4.......Wait, WHAT?!?!
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