MWC
Don Corleone
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Post by MWC on Dec 6, 2009 22:53:31 GMT -5
Welp. Rough game....might as well just put this one behind us and move onto next week. The Vikes are just not playing well at all tonight.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 22:55:11 GMT -5
^I'm just glad the Packers/Vikings series is over for this year. Favre seemed to go super saiyan with rage against us. -_-
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Beast Army Ass
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Dec 6, 2009 22:56:13 GMT -5
Well, honestly, as a Packer fan I can understand your position a little more. But I see this stuff coming from lots of places, and not just Packer fans. Not speaking for anyone else, but for me it's not so much Favre as it's the ridiculous level of attention he gets from guys like Buck, Madden, announcers in general, etc. It just gets overblown to a level where it feels like it's less "The Minnesota Vikings" and more "Brett Favre and 10 other guys." I don't think the guy intentionally tries to garner that much attention, but it just comes so naturally to him. So for me, if it were me getting on Buck for suggesting Brett should be MVP (and really, he's in the running for it because he's making the Vikings not look like a joke for the first time in a while), I'd be doing that for it being Joe Buck, not because it's Brett Favre.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 6, 2009 22:57:25 GMT -5
"Sooner or later #69 will be in your face" is not what I expected to hear during this game
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 6, 2009 22:57:40 GMT -5
You say that like he had no reason to mention that in the first place. I think Favre has been the MVP of the year so far. He's had a fantastic year for ANY QB. Some of you guys are just as bad as you claim people like Madden and Buck are about Favre, only on the opposite side of the coin. Where they refuse to see any fault, or give any blame or blindly love him, I've seen just as many people refuse to see any good, give any credit or blindly hate him. Favre's having an excellent season, but Brees and Peyton deserve the MVP more. The key in all of it, is that Manning and Brees have their teams undefeated. Brees has taken the MVP race over the last 2 games. He shredded the Pats, and then today the way he led the Saints to the win. That's fine and all, but my main point isn't so much that Favre is or isn't the MVP, but that he has played at a level that it's not some off the wall B.S. if he did win it.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Dec 6, 2009 23:01:00 GMT -5
And don't look now but the ads in this thread are even Favre based Are we feuding? I swore we weren't.... Anyway, while Favre deserves to be in the MVP race, he shouldn't be the frontrunner, considering tjhere are 2 quarterbacks who are the main reason why their teams are undefeated to this point of the season. Take Brees away from New Orleans and replace him with, let's say, Matt Schaub and tell me they're still undefeated. (Stolen from Bill Simmons) We're not even sure the Colts have a head coach in reality, as far as we know Peyton Manning is secretly running the team. Replace him with, let's say Marc Bulger and tell me the Colts are more than a game above .500. But Favre? With the amount of in-division cupcakes alone the Vikings have eaten that hurts his MVP candidacy. Throw in the fac that the two headed monster of Tavaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte guided essentially the same team into the playoffs last season, and I don't see Favre as frontrunner based on anything less than nostalgia and "He's having fun out there! He's like a kid again!"
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:01:07 GMT -5
Favre's having an excellent season, but Brees and Peyton deserve the MVP more. The key in all of it, is that Manning and Brees have their teams undefeated. Brees has taken the MVP race over the last 2 games. He shredded the Pats, and then today the way he led the Saints to the win. That's fine and all, but my main point isn't so much that Favre is or isn't the MVP, but that he has played at a level that it's not some off the wall B.S. if he did win it. Pro Bowl yes, MVP no. Especially with the numbers Drew and Peyton are putting up. Not to hammer home the point but they are unbeaten which gives them the nod over a not perfect team in my opinion.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 6, 2009 23:01:08 GMT -5
Well, honestly, as a Packer fan I can understand your position a little more. But I see this stuff coming from lots of places, and not just Packer fans. Not speaking for anyone else, but for me it's not so much Favre as it's the ridiculous level of attention he gets from guys like Buck, Madden, announcers in general, etc. It just gets overblown to a level where it feels like it's less "The Minnesota Vikings" and more "Brett Favre and 10 other guys." I don't think the guy intentionally tries to garner that much attention, but it just comes so naturally to him. So for me, if it were me getting on Buck for suggesting Brett should be MVP (and really, he's in the running for it because he's making the Vikings not look like a joke for the first time in a while), I'd be doing that for it being Joe Buck, not because it's Brett Favre. So you're saying that person A (Favre) shouldn't be mentioned by person B (Buck) as being a candidate for MVP, even when it's true, just because you don't like person B? I don't understand that logic. It's Buck's job to talk about that kind of thing. I hate Buck as an announcer as much as anyone, but to run him down for talking about something like that in the very game where the person is playing is a little ridiculous. I also want to reiterate that I'm not talking about the people that joke about this kind of stuff. I'm talking about the people that are dead serious about it.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:02:58 GMT -5
^I can never understand fans who wish death and curses apon players. Y'know the horror stories of Yankees and Red Soxs fans smashing each others cars and beating each other up. I'll never live this down with all the bashing I've done if they pull this out of the fire. -_-
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 6, 2009 23:03:52 GMT -5
The Vikings might think about just running the ball on 3rd down. Because the Cardinals are teeing off on Favre on 3rd down.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Dec 6, 2009 23:03:52 GMT -5
Wise of Favre not to put up a fight or toss a badly thrown ball into coverage there. Even if this essentially ices the game.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 6, 2009 23:04:12 GMT -5
Are we feuding? I swore we weren't.... Anyway, while Favre deserves to be in the MVP race, he shouldn't be the frontrunner, considering tjhere are 2 quarterbacks who are the main reason why their teams are undefeated to this point of the season. Take Brees away from New Orleans and replace him with, let's say, Matt Schaub and tell me they're still undefeated. (Stolen from Bill Simmons) We're not even sure the Colts have a head coach in reality, as far as we know Peyton Manning is secretly running the team. Replace him with, let's say Marc Bulger and tell me the Colts are more than a game above .500. But Favre? With the amount of in-division cupcakes alone the Vikings have eaten that hurts his MVP candidacy. Throw in the fac that the two headed monster of Tavaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte guided essentially the same team into the playoffs last season, and I don't see Favre as frontrunner based on anything less than nostalgia and "He's having fun out there! He's like a kid again!" Want another reason because "He's having fun out there"? How about, before tonight, a 24-3 TD-INT ratio. I mean that is just ridiculous.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:06:18 GMT -5
I think people also get griped because some QBs do get over looked even though they have pretty awesome number and ratings, like Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers (not counting Jared Allen sacks lol).
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Professor Chaos
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 6, 2009 23:09:20 GMT -5
This games over but dunno why I can't stop watching it. I'm too lazy to play video games so watching it.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 6, 2009 23:09:40 GMT -5
Well, my only point is that to blindly hate Favre is just as bad as to blindly love him.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:11:51 GMT -5
Well, my only point is that to blindly hate Favre is just as bad as to blindly love him. Completely agree. And hey as soon as he retires his Packer's jersey is going back up on my wall in a picture frame, but whilst he keeps playing (albeit pretty good) I have to hope the Vikings lose.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:17:25 GMT -5
That's really touching his brother is there to help him.
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Post by Hakumental on Dec 6, 2009 23:17:36 GMT -5
Scary injury for Hendersen. His leg was all over the place after that hit.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 6, 2009 23:22:36 GMT -5
Oh thank gawd that field goal was good. I was hearing 'there's life in the old dog yet!' in my head if that missed. hehe I didn't realise Layla was a Cardinal cheerleader.
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Post by Premier Blah on Dec 6, 2009 23:23:59 GMT -5
Scary injury for Hendersen. His leg was all over the place after that hit. I didn't catch the hit, but I hope he will be fine and it was touching that his brother was there. And it's very eerie hearing the somewhat loud stadium cut to almost a whisper there.
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