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Post by hypnoticgenes on Dec 27, 2009 21:08:26 GMT -5
They do something like this on every variation of the show. Its like they can take a 10x10 jpeg and turn it into a full 1040 HD image.
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Post by wrasslinmachine on Dec 27, 2009 22:09:55 GMT -5
Shame part of this show is those who major in Forensic Science will be disappointed to know that this won't be like the show.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 27, 2009 22:30:01 GMT -5
Shame part of this show is those who major in Forensic Science will be disappointed to know that this won't be like the show. It's worse for lawyers who are expected to have this sort of crap for jurists who watch these shows and think it's all real. It's absolutely ridiculous what they try to pass off in the show.
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Post by erisi236 on Dec 27, 2009 22:37:18 GMT -5
If only I could blow up photos 1000x and have them turn out even better then when they started.
They must be using Photoshop 1500.0 or something
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 27, 2009 22:50:06 GMT -5
Shame part of this show is those who major in Forensic Science will be disappointed to know that this won't be like the show. It's worse for lawyers who are expected to have this sort of crap for jurists who watch these shows and think it's all real. It's absolutely ridiculous what they try to pass off in the show. And police officers. Law and Order isn't too bad but, freaking CSI and NCIS have destroyed investigations.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 27, 2009 22:59:42 GMT -5
What did NCIS ever do? They even have Abby, who in the show is a celebrity amongst her peers, take long periods of time to get analysis results on even her priority evidence analysis. CSI makes DNA work look instantaneous, while even the most basic should take the better part of a day to adequately process a single donor sample, let alone multiple donor samples.
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Post by LONG ISLAND's OWN vinnypic on Dec 28, 2009 0:41:51 GMT -5
I love the way f***ing CSIs kick in doors guns blazing.
They're techs, people!
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2009 1:16:34 GMT -5
What did NCIS ever do? They even have Abby, who in the show is a celebrity amongst her peers, take long periods of time to get analysis results on even her priority evidence analysis. CSI makes DNA work look instantaneous, while even the most basic should take the better part of a day to adequately process a single donor sample, let alone multiple donor samples. In NCIS, if it's mechanical, they've tapped it. And probably in under 30 seconds. Any satellite or camera or cell phone can be hacked and triangulated and tracked instantaneously. The problem with the shows is that there's always a smoking gun, a piece of evidence that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt. I remember one episode of CSI they got DNA evidence from the plastic ring of a discarded water bottle days after it had been placed in the trash. Now, I prefer NCIS over CSI, but that's because Abby's hot.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 28, 2009 3:18:30 GMT -5
What did NCIS ever do? They even have Abby, who in the show is a celebrity amongst her peers, take long periods of time to get analysis results on even her priority evidence analysis. CSI makes DNA work look instantaneous, while even the most basic should take the better part of a day to adequately process a single donor sample, let alone multiple donor samples. There was a slight nod with Greg after he moved to field work, and they had the first replacement getting pissy that people wanted their analysis now. It was to sort of show that Greg was super-freak-smart, and a kid of admission that yes "this ain't real." It was forgotten about quickly thereafter.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2009 3:51:52 GMT -5
I love the way f***ing CSIs kick in doors guns blazing. They're techs, people! Actually, on the sequel series they are cops as well for the most part. Of course, on the original series the CSIs do a lot of things that they should not be doing, but the worst in my mind is they almost always take part in the interviews. What did NCIS ever do? They even have Abby, who in the show is a celebrity amongst her peers, take long periods of time to get analysis results on even her priority evidence analysis. CSI makes DNA work look instantaneous, while even the most basic should take the better part of a day to adequately process a single donor sample, let alone multiple donor samples. There was a slight nod with Greg after he moved to field work, and they had the first replacement getting pissy that people wanted their analysis now. It was to sort of show that Greg was super-freak-smart, and a kid of admission that yes "this ain't real." It was forgotten about quickly thereafter. Yeah, that annoys me. I know that whenever I have to do DNA work I need to set aside at the very least 5 hours of time. Purification and amplification simply requires a certain amount of time, let alone sequencing. To make it even worse, they are dealing with entire sequences while I select the sequences that I wish to deal with and nothing more, so the DNA work required in CSI is far more complex. Sure, they probably have more experience and better equipment, but there is no way that they can even come remotely close to what you see in the show.
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Post by The Hawaiian Hammer! on Dec 28, 2009 9:23:46 GMT -5
And that is why the Wire Remains the best Police Drama Show.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2009 9:49:18 GMT -5
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Post by Ali Du Jour on Dec 28, 2009 10:18:27 GMT -5
I used to be able to watch CSI in the first season only occasionally annoying people by pointing out what was wrong with their forensic science or what tasks fell under a tech's duties. After that, I began to annoy even myself with all the muttering and yelling at the TV that I just had to stop watching.
Strangely, I do not have that problem with NCIS. Yeah, I'll groan a bit, but I'll still enjoy a mini-marathon every so often.
OMG that clip is ridiculous though. They admit the resolution in the security footage is poor and then proceed to zoom in to the glare coming off of the iris? Un.Believable.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 28, 2009 10:26:48 GMT -5
It's worse for lawyers who are expected to have this sort of crap for jurists who watch these shows and think it's all real. It's absolutely ridiculous what they try to pass off in the show. And police officers. Law and Order isn't too bad but, freaking CSI and NCIS have destroyed investigations. Actually, Ric, I'd say NCIS at least gets the whole compartmentalization thing right. No one is an all-star in all aspects, each has a strength. CSI, on the other hand everybody can work the forensics lab, process a crime scene, and get confessions left and right.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2009 12:57:52 GMT -5
And police officers. Law and Order isn't too bad but, freaking CSI and NCIS have destroyed investigations. Actually, Ric, I'd say NCIS at least gets the whole compartmentalization thing right. No one is an all-star in all aspects, each has a strength. CSI, on the other hand everybody can work the forensics lab, process a crime scene, and get confessions left and right. Exactly. On NCIS you have the following skills and those who display them: 1) Instinctive investigation - Gibbs and Tony 2) Evidence analysis - Only Abby. In fact, they go out of the way to show how crippling it is when she is unavailable. 3) IT and cybercrimes - McGee and Abby, though they are by no means interchangeable in this aspect. Abby knows the basics of the field, but McGee is leaps and bounds better than her at it. 4) Hand to hand combat - Ziva is leaps and bounds above the rest of the world (in the show). Tony and Gibbs aren't useless in this aspect, and Kate was pretty decent when she was on the show. 5) Firearm combat - obviously, the former sniper, Gibbs, is good at this. Ziva, Tony, Kate, and Mike are all good at this as well. 6) Driving - This is one area that Tony is better than his mentor, Gibbs. Kate also was decent at it. Gibbs's only strength is that he outthinks people and can predict what the bad guys will try to do in a chase. Ziva is staight up bad at it. 7) Interviewing - All of the front 4 do interviews, depending on the circumstances involved.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 28, 2009 13:13:45 GMT -5
Actually, Ric, I'd say NCIS at least gets the whole compartmentalization thing right. No one is an all-star in all aspects, each has a strength. CSI, on the other hand everybody can work the forensics lab, process a crime scene, and get confessions left and right. Exactly. On NCIS you have the following skills and those who display them: 1) Instinctive investigation - Gibbs and Tony 2) Evidence analysis - Only Abby. In fact, they go out of the way to show how crippling it is when she is unavailable. 3) IT and cybercrimes - McGee and Abby, though they are by no means interchangeable in this aspect. Abby knows the basics of the field, but McGee is leaps and bounds better than her at it. 4) Hand to hand combat - Ziva is leaps and bounds above the rest of the world (in the show). Tony and Gibbs aren't useless in this aspect, and Kate was pretty decent when she was on the show. 5) Firearm combat - obviously, the former sniper, Gibbs, is good at this. Ziva, Tony, Kate, and Mike are all good at this as well. 6) Driving - This is one area that Tony is better than his mentor, Gibbs. Kate also was decent at it. Gibbs's only strength is that he outthinks people and can predict what the bad guys will try to do in a chase. Ziva is staight up bad at it. 7) Interviewing - All of the front 4 do interviews, depending on the circumstances involved. In terms of interviewing, I love how the individual personality and implied background will come out during an interview. Gibbs, being a former MP, is far more in your face and not above going "DI" on a suspect. Tony was a narco cop, so the approach is often the same one might take with an informant, more relaxed yet it gets results. Ziva...sometimes you just get the feeling that she'd like nothing more than to kill the person and be done with it.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2009 13:21:25 GMT -5
Actually, Ric, I'd say NCIS at least gets the whole compartmentalization thing right. No one is an all-star in all aspects, each has a strength. CSI, on the other hand everybody can work the forensics lab, process a crime scene, and get confessions left and right. Exactly. On NCIS you have the following skills and those who display them: 1) Instinctive investigation - Gibbs and Tony 2) Evidence analysis - Only Abby. In fact, they go out of the way to show how crippling it is when she is unavailable. 3) IT and cybercrimes - McGee and Abby, though they are by no means interchangeable in this aspect. Abby knows the basics of the field, but McGee is leaps and bounds better than her at it. 4) Hand to hand combat - Ziva is leaps and bounds above the rest of the world (in the show). Tony and Gibbs aren't useless in this aspect, and Kate was pretty decent when she was on the show. 5) Firearm combat - obviously, the former sniper, Gibbs, is good at this. Ziva, Tony, Kate, and Mike are all good at this as well. 6) Driving - This is one area that Tony is better than his mentor, Gibbs. Kate also was decent at it. Gibbs's only strength is that he outthinks people and can predict what the bad guys will try to do in a chase. Ziva is staight up bad at it. 7) Interviewing - All of the front 4 do interviews, depending on the circumstances involved. Don't forget Forensics - Ducky. No one else but he and his assistants examine the corpses. Still, though, NCIS shows them to do a lot more of the cop action. As far as IT goes, that's where it's most ridiculous to me. The computer systems are as good as they are on CSI, able to access satellites and cell phones like they're ordering a happy meal. I think NCIS isn't nearly as bad as CSI, but it's still not realistic.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 28, 2009 13:34:36 GMT -5
Exactly. On NCIS you have the following skills and those who display them: 1) Instinctive investigation - Gibbs and Tony 2) Evidence analysis - Only Abby. In fact, they go out of the way to show how crippling it is when she is unavailable. 3) IT and cybercrimes - McGee and Abby, though they are by no means interchangeable in this aspect. Abby knows the basics of the field, but McGee is leaps and bounds better than her at it. 4) Hand to hand combat - Ziva is leaps and bounds above the rest of the world (in the show). Tony and Gibbs aren't useless in this aspect, and Kate was pretty decent when she was on the show. 5) Firearm combat - obviously, the former sniper, Gibbs, is good at this. Ziva, Tony, Kate, and Mike are all good at this as well. 6) Driving - This is one area that Tony is better than his mentor, Gibbs. Kate also was decent at it. Gibbs's only strength is that he outthinks people and can predict what the bad guys will try to do in a chase. Ziva is staight up bad at it. 7) Interviewing - All of the front 4 do interviews, depending on the circumstances involved. Don't forget Forensics - Ducky. No one else but he and his assistants examine the corpses. Still, though, NCIS shows them to do a lot more of the cop action. As far as IT goes, that's where it's most ridiculous to me. The computer systems are as good as they are on CSI, able to access satellites and cell phones like they're ordering a happy meal. I think NCIS isn't nearly as bad as CSI, but it's still not realistic. As over the top as NCIS can occasionally be with the whole "finding a satelite or a cell phone", it makes more sense since they're a government agency and therefore would have far more access to those things than a local law enforcement agency. When McGee says he tracked a cell phone or got a satelite uplink, the leap is just "ok, the direcor of the federal agency called in help from a second agency, and things got done". When CSI does it, the question becomes "why did they get this major priority for what is just a local matter?".
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2009 13:41:34 GMT -5
Don't forget Forensics - Ducky. No one else but he and his assistants examine the corpses. Still, though, NCIS shows them to do a lot more of the cop action. As far as IT goes, that's where it's most ridiculous to me. The computer systems are as good as they are on CSI, able to access satellites and cell phones like they're ordering a happy meal. I think NCIS isn't nearly as bad as CSI, but it's still not realistic. As over the top as NCIS can occasionally be with the whole "finding a satelite or a cell phone", it makes more sense since they're a government agency and therefore would have far more access to those things than a local law enforcement agency. When McGee says he tracked a cell phone or got a satelite uplink, the leap is just "ok, the direcor of the federal agency called in help from a second agency, and things got done". When CSI does it, the question becomes "why did they get this major priority for what is just a local matter?". Yeah, that was always my line of thinking. Not only are they part of the federal alphabet soup, but they are also funded by and ultimately part of the frakking NAVY. They have all the short-cuts and end-arounds already worked into their network.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 28, 2009 14:01:47 GMT -5
As over the top as NCIS can occasionally be with the whole "finding a satelite or a cell phone", it makes more sense since they're a government agency and therefore would have far more access to those things than a local law enforcement agency. When McGee says he tracked a cell phone or got a satelite uplink, the leap is just "ok, the direcor of the federal agency called in help from a second agency, and things got done". When CSI does it, the question becomes "why did they get this major priority for what is just a local matter?". Yeah, that was always my line of thinking. Not only are they part of the federal alphabet soup, but they are also funded by and ultimately part of the frakking NAVY. They have all the short-cuts and end-arounds already worked into their network. Even if they work for the Navy, the leap is that "everyone in the Navy, if not the entire armed forces and FBI, will drop what they're doing to provide satellite images, surveillance cameras and cell phones to determine why a guy was shot outside a night club." And that's assuming that they don't state that they're actually hacking into them. That's not to say I think NCIS is bad as CSI. Star Trek's science sounds better than CSI's at times. And at least NCIS actually makes some nod to things like protocol. If you learn anything from CSI, it's that in Las Vegas, the Criminal Justice System is done entirely by people in a computer lab.
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