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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2009 4:27:26 GMT -5
I just don't think Matt and Jeff have great chemistry wrestling each other. That's not their fault, it's just the way it is. Being brothers doesn't mean you're going to automatically 'click' in a match. I think the exception being that hardcore match they had against one another over the hardcore title. I still love how Jeff used to breakout the spot he'd do where he'd land on people riding a broom from the top rope. |
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Post by Slammywinner on Nov 6, 2009 15:12:13 GMT -5
First off, it WASN'T that bad, and neither was the 2001 feud. Everyone just had really really high expectations because my god it's a Hardy brothers feud! It really was perfectly okay and had perfectly good heat, it just wasn't as super extra special as we all felt like it could have been. I think a big problem was injecting Jeff's real-life stuff into it. The on-screen jealousy stuff should have been enough, but there just wasn't the oomph that there should have been, do they panicked and had Matt kill Jeff's dog. Big shark-jumper, there. This is always a little silly to me, but I also think the fact that it wasn't for the title hurt things. Jeff getting revenge isn't really deep down that interesting, since who cares? He's still the dope who isn't the champion. But, if this is about a true sibling rivalry and Matt wanting to prove he's his brother's equal and Jeff wanting to prove he's passionate enough to give his all even against his own flesh and blood (which is what it was supposed to be about in the first place) then the feud has GOT to be for the title. It's the only way it makes sense. Well articulated! It goes to a whole new and unnecessary place when wrestlers try to kill each other. It's so stupid. If someone had tried to kill me with a car, a fire and a pyro accident, I'd stop fussing with the ladder and, to paraphrase Seth Mates, I'd just go get a knife in catering. Forget the pin fall, you're dead as fried chicken. So why even go there? The title should be the most important thing in the company and one brother costing another the title should be enough for the first 1-on-1 meeting...maybe they can try to kill each other for a rematch...kind of doesn't leave anywhere to go, as illustrated. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Nov 6, 2009 15:37:22 GMT -5
A forgettable footnote in my opinon, as with the whole Wrestlemania 25 card sans Taker vs. Michaels.
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Post by Christianv2 on Nov 6, 2009 15:38:31 GMT -5
That finish at Mania 25 however... amazing. I LOVE that twist of fate with the chair.
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Post by nyfleaman on Nov 6, 2009 15:42:44 GMT -5
The reason it didn't go over...
Everyone predicted Christian and wanted it to be him. Having Matt killed all the heat because no one cared.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Nov 6, 2009 16:10:00 GMT -5
The reason it didn't go over... Everyone predicted Christian and wanted it to be him. Having Matt killed all the heat because no one cared. The feud got heat though? And Matt vs Jeff in any case sounds much better than Jeff vs Christian. |
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Post by spagett on Nov 6, 2009 17:12:27 GMT -5
The reason it didn't go over... Everyone predicted Christian and wanted it to be him. Having Matt killed all the heat because no one cared. The feud got heat though? And Matt vs Jeff in any case sounds much better than Jeff vs Christian. Jeff and Christian have proven chemistry in the ring though, something Matt and Jeff don't have when facing each other. The feud didn't get anywhere near the heat it could have done. It should have been one of the marquee matches at Wrestlemania but it was pretty much the only feud that was played out almost exclusively on Smackdown. |
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Post by barley96 on Nov 6, 2009 17:17:45 GMT -5
The problem is they had a perfect idea with Christian helping Edge beat Jeff Hardy at the Royal Rumble. Then they decided to throw it out the window instead just because everyone figured it out before hand and replaced it with a nonsensical swerve by substituting Matt Hardy in the role. To this day, I think that would have been the better way to go. Have it be Christian, get Matt involved, get Edge further involved, do a fatal 4-way, do a tag-match, do something with those 4. Cause Christian ended up doing a nice little cameo in the MITB and Edge was part of what was, IMO, a lame feud leading up to WrestleMania. I thought Jeff and Matts match was okay at WrestleMania. I thought the feud showed promise (Was this the theme for WM25 or something?) but kinda derailed into being boring. You'd think, and i'm pretty sure it was designed, to get Matt elevated. And now here we are months after WrestleMania, Jeff's gone, and I'd say Matt's worse off now then he was during that feud or even before that. So...where's the payoff? I also thought Matt Hardy was going to be elevated from this feud. I asked a friend of mine what he thought about their feud and he wasn't interested because it has already been done. I didn't care as long as Matt was going to get the push I thought he was going to get. |
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Post by The QC Loser on Nov 6, 2009 17:21:08 GMT -5
That finish at Mania 25 however... amazing. I LOVE that twist of fate with the chair. This is what I came in here to say. |
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Nov 6, 2009 17:41:01 GMT -5
I don't really believe the conspiracy theory of "WWE Changed The Christian/Jeff Feud!"
They had hinted at Matt going heel for weeks, and Christian probably would have been the one to do the job in any scenario if he was inserted into a feud with Jeff.
The only people who believed Christian was going back in that storyline were the same guys posting that Christian was coming back every week. The NEWZ sites had no clue, and just wanted to be the ones who predicted it.
So no, don't believe it.
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Post by Fantozzi on Nov 6, 2009 18:00:36 GMT -5
i think the fans really didn't want to see that feud
it was a letdown from a much more promising christian-jeff hardy (which would have included for sure edge and matt in some way)
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Nov 6, 2009 21:44:11 GMT -5
The feud got heat though? And Matt vs Jeff in any case sounds much better than Jeff vs Christian. Jeff and Christian have proven chemistry in the ring though, something Matt and Jeff don't have when facing each other. The feud didn't get anywhere near the heat it could have done. It should have been one of the marquee matches at Wrestlemania but it was pretty much the only feud that was played out almost exclusively on Smackdown. The Extreme Rules, Stretcher and I-Quit matches where all really good IMO, they told a great story and I don't see how their supposed lack of chemistry harmed the quality of the matches in any way. I don't know how you can say the feud didn't get the heat it should have done. How do you judge this? Jeff was amazingly popular and Matt was getting good heat. I also think one brother turning on another because of a lifetime of frustration at always being in the shadow despite being on the straight and narrow while his brother has countless screw ups and yet more success, is much better than random returning wrestler decides to try and kill another wrestler for no reason. One option here actually deals with an issue, has reasonning and character development. The other is shoe-horning a feud together with no actual story progression. All else I wanted from this feud was to see Matt get elevated. His jealousy character could have been the thing he needed, but for some reason he floundered on Raw randomly running around with Regal before turning back to the bland face he was before January. Bit strange. |
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Post by Jay Carroll on Nov 7, 2009 10:57:07 GMT -5
Eh, all I remember is Matt being pseudo-friends with Edge, and Jeff goinh over Matt a lot. If it wasn't brought up in this thread, I wouldn't have rememberwd that Matt won at Mania, and I watched it live.
Oh, and Matt actually wore tights for the first time when he turned heel. That's about all I actually remember.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Nov 7, 2009 11:39:20 GMT -5
Eh, all I remember is Matt being pseudo-friends with Edge, and Jeff goinh over Matt a lot. If it wasn't brought up in this thread, I wouldn't have rememberwd that Matt won at Mania, and I watched it live. Oh, and Matt actually wore tights for the first time when he turned heel. That's about all I actually remember. Matt won both the Extreme Rules match and the Stretcher match on Smackdown - Jeff won the I-Quit at Backlash. |
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