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Post by thegame415 on Nov 18, 2009 1:39:11 GMT -5
Another thread made me wonder this question.
He has been a face for about 3 1/2 years and has garnered the "icon" status of most, if not all, marks. If he does turn heel, will there be problems similar to the Undertaker's failed heel turn in 2004?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 1:44:38 GMT -5
If Flair could be heel during the Evolution days, Triple H can be.
Really, its as easy as turning on HBK. Again. Although I would rather not see a retread of that.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 18, 2009 1:46:25 GMT -5
Probably, but I'd rather he doesn't.
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Post by rrm15 on Nov 18, 2009 1:46:42 GMT -5
If Triple H is ever world champion again I want it to just be a full heel turn where they finally just acknowledge that he basically runs the damn place. Have him hold the title for a full year and lose it at Mania to someone who needs to get made, be that Kofi, Morisson, whoever.
I don't ever WANT Triple H to be champion again, but if he were thats what I'd book.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 1:48:49 GMT -5
If Triple H is ever world champion again I want it to just be a full heel turn where they finally just acknowledge that he basically runs the damn place. Have him hold the title for a full year and lose it at Mania to someone who needs to get made, be that Kofi, Morisson, whoever. I don't ever WANT Triple H to be champion again, but if he were thats what I'd book. Basically Factgime without flunkies? I could get behind that. It would be a good way for HHH to bow out and take a behind the scenes role after while getting someone over. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 1:49:48 GMT -5
Feud with HBK or Taker. Thats a heel turn right away since they are probably the most respected wrestlers from the fans.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 18, 2009 1:52:41 GMT -5
If Triple H is ever world champion again I want it to just be a full heel turn where they finally just acknowledge that he basically runs the damn place. Have him hold the title for a full year and lose it at Mania to someone who needs to get made, be that Kofi, Morisson, whoever. I don't ever WANT Triple H to be champion again, but if he were thats what I'd book. Once you start that angle, how do you get out of it? If HHH is finally doing an "I RUN THE SHOW" angle, he can decide that he never has to defend the title, he can demand that people lie down for him or he'll fire them, etc... It seems like it opens a can of worms (full of logic holes) that can never be closed. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 1:58:23 GMT -5
If Triple H is ever world champion again I want it to just be a full heel turn where they finally just acknowledge that he basically runs the damn place. Have him hold the title for a full year and lose it at Mania to someone who needs to get made, be that Kofi, Morisson, whoever. I don't ever WANT Triple H to be champion again, but if he were thats what I'd book. Once you start that angle, how do you get out of it? If HHH is finally doing an "I RUN THE SHOW" angle, he can decide that he never has to defend the title, he can demand that people lie down for him or he'll fire them, etc... It seems like it opens a can of worms (full of logic holes) that can never be closed. If its booked the right way, sure. Austin vs. McMahon worked. Its all in the booking or writing. Perhaps RAWs writing team isn't up to the task but it could easily work. |
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Post by primetime110 on Nov 18, 2009 2:23:11 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by thuschongswing on Nov 18, 2009 2:42:03 GMT -5
Yes. Easily.
I would just like to say that I L-O-V-E the idea of Triple H turning heel by stating that HE runs the WWE basically, he makes the decisions, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Naturally this involves - that's right - a long Triple H run with the main belt. While it's quite easy to make it a boring reign, IF DONE CORRECTLY, it would be brilliant. Think JBL's WWE title run with a twist. And with better matches.
For an example scenario, Triple H could briefly feud with a face that he just can't seem to beat (basically another Chris Benoit; Christian would be perfect in the role), with Christian beating him in a non-title match (which, per WWE rules, means free title shot), and beats him AGAIN for the title at a PPV...only, oops, Triple H pulled a switcheroo on us and made it another non-title match at the very last minute without telling anyone.
But to really make my idea work, an idea that's too good for the WWE to come up with themselves ;D, a face GM is needed to counteract some of H's more dubious decisions. Teddy Long would be an OK choice. And naturally, it would finally end with an up and coming face (read: John Morrison) winning the title from Triple H at WM27...ultimately causing Trips to retire.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 18, 2009 2:42:59 GMT -5
One savage beatdown of HBK, and he's right there. Cliched and overdone? Sure, but it'd work.
Don't wanna see it yet, if ever, but that'd do it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 2:44:15 GMT -5
Feud with HBK or Taker. Thats a heel turn right away since they are probably the most respected wrestlers from the fans. Considering people didn't really care when Bat Is Tame played the heel against either of them, I really doubt either would be enough to turn Trips with. Especially Michaels. I honestly don't think he's ever been as over as Triple H is. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 2:48:13 GMT -5
Feud with HBK or Taker. Thats a heel turn right away since they are probably the most respected wrestlers from the fans. Considering people didn't really care when Bat Is Tame played the heel against either of them, I really doubt either would be enough to turn Trips with. Especially Michaels. I honestly don't think he's ever been as over as Triple H is. If you think Bats was playing full out heel against either of those guys, you have a very skewed perspective of what a heel is supposed to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 2:50:44 GMT -5
Considering people didn't really care when Bat Is Tame played the heel against either of them, I really doubt either would be enough to turn Trips with. Especially Michaels. I honestly don't think he's ever been as over as Triple H is. If you think Bats was playing full out heel against either of those guys, you have a very skewed perspective of what a heel is supposed to be. Well, no, not with Taker, but up until Jericho got involved he pretty much was with Michaels. And even then he still tended to pester and sneak attack Taker at every opportunity. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 18, 2009 3:00:36 GMT -5
If you think Bats was playing full out heel against either of those guys, you have a very skewed perspective of what a heel is supposed to be. Well, no, not with Taker, but up until Jericho got involved he pretty much was with Michaels. And even then he still tended to pester and sneak attack Taker at every opportunity. The main way to turn a guy heel is with promos. Bats never cut any heel promos. You can either justify or villify a wrestlers actions with the promo. Thats why promos are so important, after all. If a couple sneak attacks or random finishers were all it took, Austin would have been a huge heel during the Attitude Era. |
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 18, 2009 3:03:34 GMT -5
I'll say it again: I think the MSG crowd would have boo'd Hunter out of the building if he would have Pedigreed Shawn right after he hit Hornswoggle.
EDIT: actually now, looking at the video of it...it sort of looks like Shawn was in prime position for a Superkick on HHH.
Doesn't it?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 18, 2009 3:52:35 GMT -5
Undertaker's failed heel turn in 2004 It must have failed pretty badly, because I had no clue they even attempted to turn 'Taker heel in '04. What was this? IIRC he was already back to being the deadman. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 18, 2009 4:44:43 GMT -5
Undertaker's failed heel turn in 2004 It must have failed pretty badly, because I had no clue they even attempted to turn 'Taker heel in '04. What was this? IIRC he was already back to being the deadman. They did a psuedo-heel turn with him right after he returned as the Deadman, when Heyman got control of his urn. I don't think it was ever intended to be an full blown heel turn I've been saying if for a while now, if they're gonna breakup/feud DX I really, REALLY wanna see it be Shawn during the turn this time. There's a million ways they could justify it, and I think it would make for some damn entertaining TV |
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 18, 2009 4:48:20 GMT -5
I just think HBK can play the sympathetic babyface trying to avenge a beatdown a lot better than Triple H can.
We'll see how it goes, but I'm really expecting a heel turn from one of DX soon, and this upcoming match at Survivor Series seems a tempting time to do it...
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 18, 2009 4:49:54 GMT -5
Absolutely, Triple H is a natural heel and even his face character is a dick, so a heel run would only feel right. And the "I RUN THE COMPANY" heel Triple H would work, because of course the WWE is really run by the huge and secret shadow government called the "Board of Directors."
Buyt they could use the fact Shane is gone and Linda is running for senate so the WWE falls into the hands of Triple H and Stephanie -> McMahon-Helmsley Era 2.0.
Would I want it? Hell no, but it could produce ratings.
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