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Post by BitterAF on Nov 19, 2009 20:04:36 GMT -5
Must be that time of the week to talk about the ME scene.
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Post by Robbymac on Nov 19, 2009 20:10:49 GMT -5
Arguably the best in-ring performer of all time vs. The man who has held the World Title more than any active competitor vs. The biggest name in pro wrestling.... Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair vs. The Rock? How the hell did this match come about?! Clever but... Arguable can mean anyone Flair isn't active (at the moment) Name IN pro wrestling, not ever in pro wrestling (and even that would be wrong) Side Note: If you booked Bret vs. Flair vs. Rock in say...'99? You wouldn't have needed to do anything in terms of build up then either.
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Post by skiller on Nov 19, 2009 20:18:18 GMT -5
Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair vs. The Rock? How the hell did this match come about?! Clever but... Arguable can mean anyone Flair isn't active (at the moment) Name IN pro wrestling, not ever in pro wrestling (and even that would be wrong) Yes, arguable can mean anyone. You could mean Chris Jericho for all I know. Flair's booked to face Hogan down here um... sometime. That means he's currently active. Whether or not he keeps it up is another matter. Okay, then Hogan is a bigger name than Cena currently in pro wrestling. Say what you will about his age, quality, current drawing power, whatever. The fact is that as a whole, more people would probably recognise him over John Cena.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 19, 2009 20:20:44 GMT -5
I don't think it has come across as if they don't care about the match - just that they are killing time up until the match. if you don't find a way to make actual conflict during the setup, why should anybody care about the match itself? I mean, it's not that hard to think of something new, or at least not recently done. If there's one thing I've learned never underestimate the ineptitude of WWE Creative.
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Post by Robbymac on Nov 19, 2009 20:21:09 GMT -5
Clever but... Arguable can mean anyone Flair isn't active (at the moment) Name IN pro wrestling, not ever in pro wrestling (and even that would be wrong) Yes, arguable can mean anyone. You could mean Chris Jericho for all I know. Flair's booked to face Hogan down here um... sometime. That means he's currently active. Whether or not he keeps it up is another matter. Okay, then Hogan is a bigger name than Cena currently in pro wrestling. Say what you will about his age, quality, current drawing power, whatever. The fact is that as a whole, more people would probably recognise him over John Cena. I'm not arguing semantics with you. But Flair wrestling on a tour half way across the planet doesn't exactly strike me as active (Same goes for Hogan). Lets try this again Arguably the best in ring performer of all time vs. The active WWE wrestler with the most world titles vs. The biggest name in the WWE today. Happy now?
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Post by skiller on Nov 19, 2009 20:31:45 GMT -5
Yes, arguable can mean anyone. You could mean Chris Jericho for all I know. Flair's booked to face Hogan down here um... sometime. That means he's currently active. Whether or not he keeps it up is another matter. Okay, then Hogan is a bigger name than Cena currently in pro wrestling. Say what you will about his age, quality, current drawing power, whatever. The fact is that as a whole, more people would probably recognise him over John Cena. I'm not arguing semantics with you. But Flair wrestling on a tour half way across the planet doesn't exactly strike me as active (Same goes for Hogan). Lets try this again Arguably the best in ring performer of all time vs. The active WWE wrestler with the most world titles vs. The biggest name in the WWE today. Happy now? Okay now... um, you see... IWASRIGHT! *Runs away, arms flailing in the air*
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Post by taylorandborland on Nov 19, 2009 20:54:19 GMT -5
if you don't find a way to make actual conflict during the setup, why should anybody care about the match itself? I mean, it's not that hard to think of something new, or at least not recently done. Arguably the best in-ring performer of all time vs. The man who has held the World Title more than any active competitor vs. The biggest name in pro wrestling.... ...yeah, I can't see why anyone would care either. They could book this match and have absolutely no interaction other than a graphic on the screen and a few ads and it would still be just about as big of a match as they could put out. nope. The only way you can ever get away with little to no build is if it is literally the match-up of a lifetime, like Hogan/Rock. And they gave that one an angle just in case. No reason why this should be different.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 21:17:17 GMT -5
Why is it that diehard WWE fans will apply every argument to defend what creative churns out?
Show them an indie match with two great workers, you get "its just two generic guys fighting, no drama, no storyline, why should I care about them or who wins?"
WWE lazily books this triple threat with no conflict and has everyone involved seem to care even less than the writers. "This main event will be great, it sells itself so it doesn't need a storyline."
Hmm. All right then.
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Post by Robbymac on Nov 19, 2009 22:56:07 GMT -5
Why is it that diehard WWE fans will apply every argument to defend what creative churns out? Show them an indie match with two great workers, you get "its just two generic guys fighting, no drama, no storyline, why should I care about them or who wins?" WWE lazily books this triple threat with no conflict and has everyone involved seem to care even less than the writers. "This main event will be great, it sells itself so it doesn't need a storyline." Hmm. All right then. Thats a broad brush, my friend. I can appreciate a good match anywhere. That being said, fans have a huge emotional investment to these three guys that they don't have to indy guys they've never heard of. In that case its an apples to oranges comparison.
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Post by crash1984 on Nov 20, 2009 2:15:42 GMT -5
Because when you keep using the same handful of guys as THE MAIN EVENT over and over, and don't push anyone else as remotely on their level, you reach the point where you've sapped all the dramatic potential from any of said handful of main eventers fighting each other, but have no one new ready to add to the mix, and there's nothing left to do but play it for laughs. Really now, we've seen Triple H vs. Cena so many times in so many different combinations that even the markiest of marks isn't going to be biting their fingernails over who'll emerge the better man; they trade wins back and forth all the time. Michaels is slightly fresher, but it's still only been a couple years since his last intense, dramatic feuds with both other men. So really, if we have to have these guys fighting ad infinitum, the freshest thing that can be done with the setup is to turn it into a comedy built around leprechaun copyright infringement. Mind you, we wouldn't be in this situation if the bookers had actually thought more than a few months ahead and worked on building up another heel challenger (like Swagger or Miz) for once Orton became overexposed, but... they didn't. MVP and Henry both came to Raw this year. MVP was coming off the heels of being one of the most popular people on Smackdown. Mark Henry jumped to Raw, turned face, and pinned Randy Orton, who was WWE Champion at the time mind you, all in one night. In both cases the WWE done absolutely nothing with either one. I am not saying they should have been given a title run but I do think they certainly could have helped the main event scene greatly.
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