Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 30, 2010 12:31:11 GMT -5
This is one where I think it was not just a single character, gimmick, or storyline. I think the entire "fed" from start to finish qualified as grade A wrestlecrap. I only ever bothered to purchase one XPW tape, but that was more than enough for me. That, combined with everything I heard and saw online. I mean, lets start with the fact that it was a wrestling fed that was owned and run by a guy who previously made his living as a porn director. Lets follow with the fact that it was a blatantly money grubbing attempt to cash in on the wrestling craze that was going on in the USA at the time. And, oh yeah...it just plain sucked! A lot of XPW was not just low brow to me. It felt like Rob Black really thought wrestling fans were all inbred hillbillies. I mean, gimmicks like "the hardcore homo" and "the evil clown" are far from high brow affair, even for pro wrestling. And XPW set a new low for including women who brought nothing more than eye candy to the table-especially considering few of the women XPW featured were even remotely attractive. The ring action was another matter entirely. Paul Heyman, credited as the founder of "extreme" wrestling has admitted that ECW had to use tables, chairs, etc. because in its early days ECW had few wrestlers who were talented in the ring and needed a way to cover for it. But XPW did not even seem to have that luxury. The one tape I watched, half the time even the chair shots looked utterly weak-I could imagine getting hurt worse in a pillow fight. And finally, I may add that I think Rob Black himself is a genuine scumbag. Beside his rep as a porn director/distributor, there have been plenty of story's involving him and drugs, and even one about an former XPW wrestler who claims Black hired people to attack him in his home and cut one of his fingers off. In closing, XPW as a whole was wrestlecrap. The entire thing deserves to be dead and buried, and perhaps best eulogized by a wrestlecrap induction memorializing what a sham it all was.
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Post by thewickedclown on Mar 30, 2010 15:13:59 GMT -5
Wasn't XPW started by a low rent porn producer and many of the girls in it were in his movies? If Young and the Wrestling is Wrestlecrap why not XPW.
Maybe they should induct the XPW/ECW fight at ECW's PPV?
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Post by JMA on Mar 30, 2010 17:42:56 GMT -5
Induct XPW as a fed. Although it'd have to be, like, a twenty-page induction.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 30, 2010 17:48:32 GMT -5
I have to agree. XPW wanted to be the new ECW as it started up at the end of ECWs run. The only problem was that they never created a star fans could get into. The top talents where former ECW stars in there worst shape and pass there prime.
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Post by JMA on Mar 30, 2010 22:03:30 GMT -5
Induct XPW as a fed. Although it'd have to be, like, a twenty-page induction. Which I would read in its entirety. I love really long inductions.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Mar 30, 2010 22:10:49 GMT -5
I saw some of XPW's TV Shows when it was on the air. It made at times make TNA look REAL good. 1 hour, 1 match, most of it was "sports entertainment" bad crap! Add to more of Rob Black he used his wife Lizzie Borden to sell some softcore porn crap in XPW during the commercials!
Only good thing in XPW was that this promotion had the inspiration for Jay Lethal's "Black Machismo" character because in XPW they had a manager doing a Randy Savage gimmick & some of the XPW wrestlers & on-screen talent went to Deal's favorite wrestling promotion: Wrestling Society X!
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 30, 2010 22:47:36 GMT -5
I saw some of XPW's TV Shows when it was on the air. It made at times make TNA look REAL good. 1 hour, 1 match, most of it was "sports entertainment" bad crap! Add to more of Rob Black he used his wife Lizzie Borden to sell some softcore porn crap in XPW during the commercials! Only good thing in XPW was that this promotion had the inspiration for Jay Lethal's "Black Machismo" character because in XPW they had a manager doing a Randy Savage gimmick & some of the XPW wrestlers & on-screen talent went to Deal's favorite wrestling promotion: Wrestling Society X! Lizzie Borden was another story in and of herself. I am going to forget all good manners and say she was the most horse faced ho-bag to ever appear in pro wrestling. Like I said, Black seemed to really look down his nose at wrestling fans as a bunch of hicks-which seemed like the kettle calling the pot, because Black himself struck me as the purest white trash. I recall hearing from a friend of mine who was present at the ECW show where Black and some XPW wrestlers crashed. He said that he did not witness the actual confrontation, but he head a lot of people in the audience saying that some sort of riot was happening outside. Added to all this, wasn't XPW the place where New Jack legit tried to kill/cripple another wrestler by knocking him off a scaffold while he wasn't prepared? Little surprise New Jack would end up in a place like XPW, right?
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Post by angryauthor on Mar 31, 2010 4:49:33 GMT -5
Apparently after the show, there was a further altercation, during which one of them grabbed Francine. It had just been words before that, but the ECW boys pretty quickly jumped into actually fighting them. And yeah, they had New Jack with them, so the XPW boys got their asses kicked. Go figure.
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Post by quantum on Mar 31, 2010 6:58:35 GMT -5
. I mean, gimmicks like "the evil clown" are far from high brow affair, even for pro wrestling. And XPW set a new low for including women who brought nothing more than eye candy to the table-especially considering few of the women XPW featured were even remotely attractive. I don't know much about XPW it;s self and have only watches one or two matches on line. However how is this any different from todays WWE or TNA women who only bring eye candy and are not that attractive and the evil clown sounds similar to Doink who was one of wrestling greatest ever characters.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Mar 31, 2010 9:23:11 GMT -5
Won't happen for one reason: RD's long-standing policy of not inducting indie stuff. Indie promotions typically are filled with induction-worthy material, so he considers it unfair.
Jed Shaffer ~I felt dirty including them in a Re-Writing The Book once. But I think I did XPW "proud".
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 31, 2010 10:08:57 GMT -5
. I mean, gimmicks like "the evil clown" are far from high brow affair, even for pro wrestling. And XPW set a new low for including women who brought nothing more than eye candy to the table-especially considering few of the women XPW featured were even remotely attractive. I don't know much about XPW it;s self and have only watches one or two matches on line. However how is this any different from todays WWE or TNA women who only bring eye candy and are not that attractive and the evil clown sounds similar to Doink who was one of wrestling greatest ever characters. Except XPW's evil clown was called Pogo, and he was blatantly based off John Wayne Gacy, one of the most heinous serial killers American history. Gacy actually moonlighted as a clown called Pogo, and would do magic tricks at kid's hospitals. The wrestler's clown make-up and outfit were a dead ringer for Gacy's. Added to that, Gacy buried his victim's body's under his house, and the wrestler's finisher was called "buried in the basement." Wrestling is far from high brown entertainment, but I think that is a little too low even for the WWE or TNA to consider.
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 31, 2010 11:36:34 GMT -5
Its pretty difficult to compile an entry for an entire fed, but how about the whole "Rob Black puts a hit out on the Messiah" thing?
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Post by crash1984 on Mar 31, 2010 13:28:52 GMT -5
I remember back in high school I was in a television production class. Most of our production equipment was broken so we spent most of the second semester doing pretty much whatever we wanted to. One day this guy who was obsessed with wrestling brought in an XPW tape and several of us watched it and wound up doing Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style comments on it. The thing that got the most comments made about it was when one of the announcers yelled "German Suplay" even the teacher was making fun of it. Someone finally asked him why in the world he bought that tape and he said he just seen it at the mall and bought it.
I think the most disturbing thing about XPW is that for a while it was the number 2 promotion in the USA.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Mar 31, 2010 14:20:32 GMT -5
I remember back in high school I was in a television production class. Most of our production equipment was broken so we spent most of the second semester doing pretty much whatever we wanted to. One day this guy who was obsessed with wrestling brought in an XPW tape and several of us watched it and wound up doing Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style comments on it. The thing that got the most comments made about it was when one of the announcers yelled "German Suplay" even the teacher was making fun of it. Someone finally asked him why in the world he bought that tape and he said he just seen it at the mall and bought it. I think the most disturbing thing about XPW is that for a while it was the number 2 promotion in the USA. When? It had to have been by default. Even if it was just WWE and XPW, XPW would be ranked 3rd. Some of the worst stuff ive ever seen. I like deathmatches if im in the mood but nothing they did even remotely entertained me.
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Post by Madman Szalinski on Mar 31, 2010 14:22:38 GMT -5
Jed, ECW was an indy too, technically. I believe Black tried to make XPW national and since he did manage to have XPW videos out there on shelves across the country he succeeded. None of them might have sold, but they were available for purchase.
And besides, even if you want to consider XPW an indy it's one that HAS to be made an example out of. Pure diarrhea dump from a Gobbledy-Gooker's anus.
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Post by Jim Stansel on Apr 1, 2010 8:54:07 GMT -5
I bought one of the tapes and couldnt make it through two matches. Even porn chicks werent enough for my 21 yr old ass to watch. Just bad bad bad.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Apr 1, 2010 18:58:25 GMT -5
I remember back in high school I was in a television production class. Most of our production equipment was broken so we spent most of the second semester doing pretty much whatever we wanted to. One day this guy who was obsessed with wrestling brought in an XPW tape and several of us watched it and wound up doing Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style comments on it. The thing that got the most comments made about it was when one of the announcers yelled "German Suplay" even the teacher was making fun of it. Someone finally asked him why in the world he bought that tape and he said he just seen it at the mall and bought it. I think the most disturbing thing about XPW is that for a while it was the number 2 promotion in the USA. When? It had to have been by default. Even if it was just WWE and XPW, XPW would be ranked 3rd. Some of the worst stuff ive ever seen. I like deathmatches if im in the mood but nothing they did even remotely entertained me. Yeah, by default but it got a lot of exposure. I remember it was on the TV magazine series Extra which is syndicated in alot of big markets in good timeslots.
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Post by Dragonfly on Apr 2, 2010 3:50:32 GMT -5
As said above, XPW shouldn't really be considered an indy fed. Not only did it have several DVDs and a nationally syndicated television show - we got it in Pittsburgh - it was, at one time, the second biggest promotion in the US. Think about that for a moment. From the close of WCW in 2001 to formation of TNA and ROH in mid to late 2002, XPW was the only major alternative to the WWE. Sure there were regional promotions (JAPW, IWA-Mid South, IWC, NWA Wildside, Steel Domain), but if you wanted something a bit "bigger," XPW was the only other choice in town. Because of this, I believe that XPW should be inducted. As for what I would induct... - Homeless Rob Black - Rob and Lizzie are kicked out of XPW and forced to live in a doghouse. In between shots of the couple eating dog food and Lizzie's overacting, Black is trying to sell his share of his company to Eric Bischoff and Ted Turner.
- Luis Cypher - A manager/real-life porn director working a Neo-Nazi gimmick. His main charge was Tool, a rather large man who was supposedly a snuff film star. (One of his "films" was used as a introductory vignette.) Think of him as Mike Awesome, only in a zipper mask. As for Cypher, most of his promos where nothing but white supremest garbage. In one "memorable" angle, he burned pictures of Jesse Jacker, Joe Lieberman, and George Takei in effigy. This segment is noteworthy for one reason: He didn't have a problem with actor George Takei. His little rant was 100% focused upon the Sulu character.
- The three faces of Rob Black - At one point, Black developed multiple personalities that he would talk to on a regular basis. The first personality to appear was a black panther-style radical he called "N.C." (To those around him, N.C. was nothing mor than an African-American Santa Claus decoration.) The second "character" to appear was Sulu, a Japanese stereotype that "inhabited" an Atsushi Onita bank. (I still have no idea what these people had against Sulu. Sure, he wasn't Kirk or Spock, but still!)
- Angel the Hardcore Homo - Do I really have to explain this one?
- Pogo the Clown - They wanted him to be their answer to Raven. What they got was fat guy working a John Wayne Gacy gimmick.
- Rocco and Jocko - Two bumbling, borderline retarded wise guys sent by the mob to kidnap Lizzie Borden. They ended up being driven crazy by Lizzie and her constant demands.
- "The Love Guru" Buddy Rose - Buddy Rose attempts to teach Steve Rizzono how to become a ladies' man.
- K. Malik Shabazz - The supposed illegitimate son of Malcolm X and found of the New Panther stable. You all might know him better as R-Truth.
- The Juice Bar - www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fav5_xpw-the-juicebar-starring-juventud_sport (Language warning!)
There is definitely more, but I can't think of it right now. That said, it wasn't all bad. As bad as those gimmicks were, there were a few guys (The Messiah, White Trash Johnny Webb, Homeless Jimmy, even Supreme to a lesser extent) that actually made it work.
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Post by slickster on Apr 2, 2010 6:44:40 GMT -5
I don't know much about XPW it;s self and have only watches one or two matches on line. However how is this any different from todays WWE or TNA women who only bring eye candy and are not that attractive and the evil clown sounds similar to Doink who was one of wrestling greatest ever characters. Except XPW's evil clown was called Pogo, and he was blatantly based off John Wayne Gacy, one of the most heinous serial killers American history. Gacy actually moonlighted as a clown called Pogo, and would do magic tricks at kid's hospitals. The wrestler's clown make-up and outfit were a dead ringer for Gacy's. Added to that, Gacy buried his victim's body's under his house, and the wrestler's finisher was called "buried in the basement." Wrestling is far from high brown entertainment, but I think that is a little too low even for the WWE or TNA to consider. Heck. they even shot promo vignettes of Pogo The Clown walking around playgrounds leading little children by the hand. It would be like introducing a gimmick as 'Tim McVee' from Oklahoma City, filming vignettes with him sitting in a pickup truck holding a gun, and naming his finisher 'The Murrah Bomb.' It was that distasteful. The only reason it didn't get more hatred was because the Gacy murders had happened 20+ years earlier so not everyone made the connection between Pogo the wrestler and John Wayne Gacy.
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Post by agent817 on Apr 2, 2010 10:21:30 GMT -5
I remember when I was about 14, I went into Suncoast and I noticed some XPW videos. I didn't buy any, but was so curious about it since I liked ECW and liked hardcore matches. I looked it up later on and didn't really see too much that I would even find appealing, despite ECW alumni being in XPW like Shane Douglas, Sandman, Chris Candido, etc. I don't know too much about the so called fed, but I do remember a couple of years after that, when I was 16, I read that Joey Styles was announcing for them. I had been curious about XPW until I saw a shoot from Rob Black to Paul Heyman on YouTube. It was obviously recorded in 2000, because he talked about the Heat Wave 2000 incident in which XPW guys were in the crowd and some were in the parking lot and got beat up and such. Rob Black hella went off on Paul Heyman in that interview (Wasn't so much of an interview, since he wasn't talking to anybody but the camera, but more of a rant). I ended up finally seeing some footage on YouTube and was like "What the hell is this?". Plus, the part of someone who was actually burning, I cringed. Flaming tables are one thing, but I heard that if someone puts lighter fluid on a table, the flames go out as soon as the table is broken. That table in XPW, there had to have been gas on there or something.
By the way, I saw some XPW DVD at Best Buy a long time ago. Good thing I did my research or else my curiosity would've really beat me and I would've wasted my money.
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