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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 10, 2010 21:45:44 GMT -5
I'm still pissed that they screwed Mickey Rourke over last year just for Sean Penn could be given a podium on national TV to make a political statement......now I wouldn't be pissed if Penn won several other awards that award season, but....he didn't. He only won two Best Actor awards last season. Mickey Rourke won 19 various Best Actor awards that year vs. Penn's 2. So there had to be more reason for that. But that's as far as I'll go with that. What don't you like about Sean Penn's performance in Milk? I'd say it was one of the best acting performances of this (or any other) decade. I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 10, 2010 21:46:57 GMT -5
I liked Penn in "Two and a half men", His Banter with Elvis Costello was hillarious
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 10, 2010 21:47:21 GMT -5
What don't you like about Sean Penn's performance in Milk? I'd say it was one of the best acting performances of this (or any other) decade. I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. It was still a better performance than anything in Chicago, though ;D
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 10, 2010 21:47:42 GMT -5
I didn't want a happy ending. I just didn't want that loooooooooooooooooong boring ass dialogue that I had a pain reading through in the book. They could've cut a large chunk out of it and still got the point across. Hell, the Coens are really great at symbolism, they could've got the point across without any words altogether! That monologue at the end just messes up the pacing a bit, in my mind. You have this thrilling tale going, and then once everything resolves, instead of easing into the end, the end is drawn out...... No I mean poor. Josh Brolin's character gets killed off screen. Why?? He's been the main character throughout and yet the last time we see him is talking to some lady at a pool. Some people I know missed that he even died in that motel. The rest of the ending is fine, but that off screen death was just plain daft. I'm reminded of when I saw that movie in theatres. Man the most interesting audience reaction I might have ever experienced. After Brolin dies, 1/3 of the audience (guessing from their reactions) automatically gave up on the movie. That rubbed them wrong. The rest were trying to figure out what the Coens were going with this anti-climatic turn of events. After Jones his last words and the movie fades out, a guy in the front row yelled: "That's it?!?"[/i] I guess another 1/3 felt cheated by the ending, and the rest were satisfied. I was satisfied. Really the whole 3rd act slapped me in the face like cold water or a salmon fish. And it all just feels right. Its not just a downer or anti-climatic to make some essential point (which it does), but....I sorry I don't have the correct rhetoric, but you know Nike's slogan "Just do it"? NCFOM did it for the win. That said, I can understand why I suppose you fellas didn't. I mean considering my audience's reaction, I bet as many people were annoyed or felt cheated as did the rest who loved it like me. NCFOM should have had a showdown with Chigurh (Whatever his name is) & Moss because the movie was following their Cat & Mouse story primarily, And then follow with all that stuff afterwards. It's like getting a really good Blow Job and then the chick decides to Stop dead before you get a chance to "release", And your just left thinking "WTF!!!!!". Like every other action/thriller movie?
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Post by biafra on Jan 10, 2010 21:48:28 GMT -5
I'm still pissed that they screwed Mickey Rourke over last year just for Sean Penn could be given a podium on national TV to make a political statement......now I wouldn't be pissed if Penn won several other awards that award season, but....he didn't. He only won two Best Actor awards last season. Mickey Rourke won 19 various Best Actor awards that year vs. Penn's 2. So there had to be more reason for that. But that's as far as I'll go with that. What don't you like about Sean Penn's performance in Milk? I'd say it was one of the best acting performances of this (or any other) decade. Agree totally. To say Milk won because of politics is like saying Ledger won because of his death..in both instances naysayers are reaching for something to try to diminish what really were terrific and worthy performances. Honestly..the only people I've ever spoken to who think "Rourke Was Robbed" is wrestling fans. I just don't see how anyone can see MILK and not see an award worthy performance. And out of this list..I'd say Crash. People who just see a "racism is bad!" movie miss the point in my opinion; which is that none of us are innocent as far as prejudices go and we need to look at underlying reasons why people think they do. In fact..it pointed out the complexity of the issue..opposite of the singular, black and white message people accuse it of. In the end I think Sean Penn is the greatest actor of his generation. Everything from Carlito's Way to Mystic River to Dead Man Walking to MILK...he IS the person he is portraying.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 10, 2010 21:50:29 GMT -5
476022 time=1263177432]Like every other action/thriller movie? No Because 90% of the Action/Thriller movies have an ending, Some might not be good but it's still a climax.
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 10, 2010 21:51:18 GMT -5
I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. Yeah I Am Sam was pure Oscar bait stereotypical acting right there. Oh how I hated that movie. RDJ was right. That said, you should try "The Falcon & the Snowman." I mean Penn gave a good performance as the slacker drug dealer-turned-traitor. OF course he seems to usually excelt at playing druggies. So I guess he should have won his Oscar for Fast Times at Ridgemont High then.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 10, 2010 21:53:04 GMT -5
I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. Yeah I Am Sam was pure Oscar bait stereotypical acting right there. Oh how I hated that movie. RDJ was right. That said, you should try "The Falcon & the Snowman." I mean Penn gave a good performance as the slacker drug dealer-turned-traitor. OF course he seems to usually excelt at playing druggies. So I guess he should have won his Oscar for Fast Times at Ridgemont High then. So MILK was the Oscar he should have gotten for Fast Times? What, does Tarantino get his Best Picture around 2020?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 10, 2010 21:53:14 GMT -5
What don't you like about Sean Penn's performance in Milk? I'd say it was one of the best acting performances of this (or any other) decade. I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. That's fine if you don't like Penn as an actor. But I don't see any over-acting in Milk and there was no "full retard". What was your problem with his performance in Milk? Because I hope you wouldn't dislike his performance in a film because you've disliked him in the past. I've disliked Mickey Rourke in the past, actually I still think he's a bit of a knob. But I won't deny that he gave an excellent performance in the Wrestler.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 10, 2010 21:54:05 GMT -5
I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. It was still a better performance than anything in Chicago, though ;D People were acting in Chicago?!
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 10, 2010 21:55:58 GMT -5
People were acting in Chicago?! Well, they certainly weren't dancing, that's for sure!
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 10, 2010 21:57:09 GMT -5
476022 time=1263177432]Like every other action/thriller movie? No Because 90% of the Action/Thriller movies have an ending, Some might not be good but it's still a climax. Rules are meant to be broken. Rules are why most people don't care or even know about Sam Jonson anymore, yet everyone knows his contemporary William Shakespeare was a playwright by didn't play by that epoch's writing "rules."
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Post by Jiren on Jan 10, 2010 21:59:17 GMT -5
No Because 90% of the Action/Thriller movies have an ending, Some might not be good but it's still a climax. Rules are meant to be broken. Rules are why most people don't care or even know about Sam Jonson anymore, yet everyone knows his contemporary William Shakespeare was a playwright by didn't play by that epoch's writing "rules." I don't care about rules I didn't like the ending and that's that, And I have no beef with those that do.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 10, 2010 22:01:01 GMT -5
I just don't think Sean Penn can act all that well, period. I mean, let's be honest here, Robert Downey Jr. was correct in Tropic Thunder, Sean Penn went "full retard" in I Am Sam. Plus, he kind of....over emotes in some of his movies, like Mystic River. People over-acting take me out of the experience. I'm sure he'll do some performance I'll like, or maybe even down the road, I'll look at him in a better light via hindsight, but right now....not feeling it, man. That's fine if you don't like Penn as an actor. But I don't see any over-acting in Milk and there was no "full retard". What was your problem with his performance in Milk? Because I hope you wouldn't dislike his performance in a film because you've disliked him in the past. I've disliked Mickey Rourke in the past, actually I still think he's a bit of a knob. But I won't deny that he gave an excellent performance in the Wrestler. Well for one thing, I never said his performance in MILK was bad, I just didn't like it. Two different things. A person could have one of the best performances ever and you can still hate it. Though, I must admit something here, I didn't see MILK till after the Oscars last year, so I went in still pissed at Rourke losing, so that may have played a part in me not liking his performance, actually....you know what? It most definitely was why. I'll have to revisit MILK down the line once I get over Rourke losing, I'm sure my opinions will change. BUT, I still don't like Penn's acting overall, so that most likely won't change. But it could, it totally could. I use to think DiCaprio was one of the biggest tools in the industry, but once he stopped doing those lovey-dovey romantic-themed movies and did movies that were....actually good, DiCaprio turned into one of my favorite actors.
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 10, 2010 22:01:07 GMT -5
So MILK was the Oscar he should have gotten for Fast Times? Never said that. Besides he already got his "owed" Oscar for Mystic River. His second Oscar win was perhaps more...well, remember 2005 when the "favorite" Brokeback Mountain got upset by Crash? Payback, but not for Penn. Its for others. If you get my drift. Pity because I do agree with DiBiase in that Penn did give a really good performance in Milk. He deserved that nomination at least. Its just, Rourke was better in The Wrestler. I'm sorry but he was IMO. What, does Tarantino get his Best Picture around 2020? Nope, probably this year. He has a strong shot. Or at least his movie does.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 10, 2010 22:04:07 GMT -5
So MILK was the Oscar he should have gotten for Fast Times? Never said that. Besides he already got his "owed" Oscar for Mystic River. His second Oscar win was perhaps more...well, remember 2005 when the "favorite" Brokeback Mountain got upset by Crash? Payback, but not for Penn. Its for others. If you get my drift. Pity because I do agree with DiBiase in that Penn did give a really good performance in Milk. He deserved that nomination at least. Its just, Rourke was better in The Wrestler. I'm sorry but he was IMO. What, does Tarantino get his Best Picture around 2020? Nope, probably this year. He has a strong shot. Or at least his movie does. He should've won for Pulp Fiction. Not saying that movie was robbed, cause that year had some strong movies, but Pulp Fiction is the only movie of his prior to Basterds that deserved an Oscar.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 10, 2010 22:05:41 GMT -5
So, some people are saying that Sean Penn only won because he portrayed a homosexual in a film and also that he was given the award because a film about two bisexual men didn't win best film a few years earlier?
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 10, 2010 22:06:50 GMT -5
The big question is: would Basterds have gotten into the noms if only 5 movies were allowed? I'm gonna say yes, and it pretty much has a guaranteed Best Supporting Actor for Christoph Waltz (sp?). So, some people are saying that Sean Penn only won because he portrayed a homosexual in a film and also that he was given the award because a film about two bisexual men didn't win best film a few years earlier? The Brokeback for Crash snub made MANY people upset, especially since Brokeback was one of the few studio products ever made with openly gay main characters. There is another reason for the choice that I really can't go into here because it deals directly with politics, but I will explain it if you PM me.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 10, 2010 22:07:11 GMT -5
So, some people are saying that Sean Penn only won because he portrayed a homosexual in a film and also that he was given the award because a film about two bisexual men didn't win best film? That's one of the theories, not my theory, though. But the Academy does have a trend of giving "owed" awards. But I'm not accepting that jive.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 10, 2010 22:10:17 GMT -5
So, some people are saying that Sean Penn only won because he portrayed a homosexual in a film and also that he was given the award because a film about two bisexual men didn't win best film? That's one of the theories, not my theory, though. But the Academy does have a trend of giving "owed" awards. But I'm not accepting that jive. Well, if you ever hear anyone mention that as a theory, politely remind them that in the same year Brokeback Mountain lost, the Best Actor award was given to a man for a portrayal of a homosexual, Philip Seymour Hoffman for Capote.
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