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Post by Square on Jan 1, 2010 19:29:04 GMT -5
Could both tell me what would have made a better send off for Doctor number 10? honestly curious. The last ten minutes of The Doctor visting everyone just ruined it for me, I loved it up to the point it became a "get everyone in for the ending for David's and Russel's exit".
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Post by craigdanbeaton on Jan 1, 2010 19:31:46 GMT -5
Ugh. The lament of being in a country which is absolutely appalling when it comes to broadcasting shows. We got Waters of Mars about a week before America too. Can someone tell me if there was any bulls*** with a certain horse-faced companion? I'd rather skip it if it's rubbish RTD drabble. If certain "horse-face companion" is Rose then: {Spoiler}She's in it for roughly a minute, not as Russell's usual Deus Ex Machina it's acctually kinda nice the way she's used.
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Post by Dee. on Jan 1, 2010 19:37:14 GMT -5
Oh, can't say how relieved I am with that. So excited to see how Matt Smith's little cameo was like!
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Post by Jiren on Jan 1, 2010 19:38:59 GMT -5
A decent story for starters. It was an absolute mess that only Russell T Davies can deliver. But their is a ray of light in Moffatt. which would consist of? specifically, if you wouldn't mind. - The Villains did F*** all and were as intimidating as a shoelace - Donna's head becomes an EMP type weapon - The Star Wars References - Starbug - The Cactus Aliens - ANOTHER Deus ex machina - John Simm's overacting But that's not all, This s***cake was topped off with most over the top sentimental bulls*** that wasn't needed that featured Rose f***ing Tyler & a Gay Joke. Thank the lord RTD is gone.
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Post by Square on Jan 1, 2010 19:42:49 GMT -5
Yeah the scene with Barrowman was just "have they just gotten a Star Wars clip and imposed Jack and Alonso in it". Well at least we know who's taking Ianto's spot in Torchwood.
I was happy though that Russell Tonvey and Sinead Keenan from Being Human had roles, the warewolfs representing!
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 1, 2010 19:45:36 GMT -5
which would consist of? specifically, if you wouldn't mind. - The Villains did F*** all and were as intimidating as a shoelace - Donna's head becomes an EMP type weapon - The Star Wars References - Starbug - The Cactus Aliens - ANOTHER Deus ex machina - John Simm's overacting But that's not all, This s***cake was topped off with most over the top sentimental bulls*** that wasn't needed that featured Rose f***ing Tyler & a Gay Joke. Thank the lord RTD is gone. Are you sure Doctor Who is for you? what you've taken issue with seems to have been the past five years as a whole. What was the deus ex machina by the way?
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Post by Dee. on Jan 1, 2010 19:50:00 GMT -5
I'd say a majority of Who fans feel RTD doesn't sit right with them.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 1, 2010 19:51:11 GMT -5
- The Villains did F*** all and were as intimidating as a shoelace - Donna's head becomes an EMP type weapon - The Star Wars References - Starbug - The Cactus Aliens - ANOTHER Deus ex machina - John Simm's overacting But that's not all, This s***cake was topped off with most over the top sentimental bulls*** that wasn't needed that featured Rose f***ing Tyler & a Gay Joke. Thank the lord RTD is gone. Are you sure Doctor Who is for you? what you've taken issue with seems to have been the past five years as a whole. What was the deus ex machina by the way? I love Dr Who and I have done for a VERY long time and I will admit Nu Who has had some cracking episodes but most of the time they've been stinkers. Which is why I'm looking forward to Moffatt's run because he seems to take the show seriously.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 1, 2010 19:52:40 GMT -5
I think most Who fans love RTD. It's only the cynical, boring and often slightly homophobic ones that don't like him. Real fans know he re-invented and rejuvinated a show that was completely dead.
And if you think there will be less gay references with Steven Moffat in charge you will be incredibly disappointed. He is king of the gay jokes and references, by his own admission.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 1, 2010 20:37:47 GMT -5
Are you sure Doctor Who is for you? what you've taken issue with seems to have been the past five years as a whole. What was the deus ex machina by the way? I love Dr Who and I have done for a VERY long time and I will admit Nu Who has had some cracking episodes but most of the time they've been stinkers. Which is why I'm looking forward to Moffatt's run because he seems to take the show seriously. Me too, even sat through "Mark of the Rani", oh yes but I disagree for a wealth of reasons I can't be arsed getting too far into but consider this: six years ago, if you admitted publicly that you enjoyed Doctor Who, you would be laughed at so viciously, no amount of NHS psychiatry would be able to put you straight but, along came RTD and fast forward to now, you are amongst near ten million in company. Not to mention the countless he drew to the older series just by referencing it, offering respect to it and generally loving it throughout his tenure at the top. now, before my prose comes any more sleepless, could you tell me where the deus ex machina was
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 1, 2010 20:45:11 GMT -5
I love Dr Who and I have done for a VERY long time and I will admit Nu Who has had some cracking episodes but most of the time they've been stinkers. Which is why I'm looking forward to Moffatt's run because he seems to take the show seriously. Me too, even sat through "Mark of the Rani", oh yes but I disagree for a wealth of reasons I can't be arsed getting too far into but consider this: six years ago, if you admitted publicly that you enjoyed Doctor Who, you would be laughed at so viciously, no amount of NHS psychiatry would be able to put you straight but, along came RTD and fast forward to now, you are amongst near ten million in company. Not to mention the countless he drew to the older series just by referencing it, offering respect to it and generally loving it throughout his tenure at the top. now, before my prose comes any more sleepless, could you tell me where the deus ex machina was Shoot machine, Time Lords go away pretty much. Even if that wasn't it, the Doctor pointing a gun at anyone, fellow Time Lord or not, is massively out of character. That really rankles with me.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 1, 2010 20:49:02 GMT -5
Me too, even sat through "Mark of the Rani", oh yes but I disagree for a wealth of reasons I can't be arsed getting too far into but consider this: six years ago, if you admitted publicly that you enjoyed Doctor Who, you would be laughed at so viciously, no amount of NHS psychiatry would be able to put you straight but, along came RTD and fast forward to now, you are amongst near ten million in company. Not to mention the countless he drew to the older series just by referencing it, offering respect to it and generally loving it throughout his tenure at the top. now, before my prose comes any more sleepless, could you tell me where the deus ex machina was Shoot machine, Time Lords go away pretty much. Even if that wasn't it, the Doctor pointing a gun at anyone, fellow Time Lord or not, is massively out of character. That really rankles with me. he's done it before i.e. resurrection of the daleks and since the immortality gate was no longer supporting humanity through the master, the lady in white showed the doctor he could blow out the gate as the Timelords hadn't crossed over the thresh hold completely thus sending the back into the timelock they hadn't quite managed to leave.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 1, 2010 20:53:33 GMT -5
Shoot machine, Time Lords go away pretty much. Even if that wasn't it, the Doctor pointing a gun at anyone, fellow Time Lord or not, is massively out of character. That really rankles with me. he's done it before i.e. resurrection of the daleks And I didn't like it whyen he did it then either. Oh and Rassilon undoes the "Master Race" with a gesture. There's another one.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 1, 2010 21:02:21 GMT -5
he's done it before i.e. resurrection of the daleks And I didn't like it whyen he did it then either. Oh and Rassilon undoes the "Master Race" with a gesture. There's another one. and when he turns Borusa into a gargoyle that's ok yeah? how unimaginable the lord of a time manipulating race can do such things, yeah?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 1, 2010 21:07:11 GMT -5
And I didn't like it whyen he did it then either. Oh and Rassilon undoes the "Master Race" with a gesture. There's another one. and when he turns Borusa into a gargoyle that's ok yeah? how unimaginable the lord of a time manipulating race can do such things, yeah? Didn't Rassilon do that? What are you saying, that Rassilon doing that means his undoing of the Master's imprint thingy is not a massive Deus Ex Machina? Or that it makes it okay for the Doctor to use violent force? I don't get which point you're debating there.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 1, 2010 21:40:58 GMT -5
and when he turns Borusa into a gargoyle that's ok yeah? how unimaginable the lord of a time manipulating race can do such things, yeah? Didn't Rassilon do that? What are you saying, that Rassilon doing that means his undoing of the Master's imprint thingy is not a massive Deus Ex Machina? Or that it makes it okay for the Doctor to use violent force? I don't get which point you're debating there. Yes, I was making the point there is precedence, Rassilon had always been revered as somewhat of a god and by extension of that, I don't feel his actions in EOT were all that god machiny. On the gun note, how would you sell this as being the Doctor's greatest battle yet if you didn't take the characther out his comfort zone completely?it served the drama very well and ultimately,strengthened his "Doctorishness" considering, even at his most desperate, he still refuses to submit and pull that trigger.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 1, 2010 21:59:07 GMT -5
I'm American, so I haven't seen part 2. But I have to say the best part of Part I was John Simms' overacting. I wish that instead of eating that whole turkey, he would have been given a large ham.
I don't know how seriously Doctor Who should take itself. This may be a purely American observation, but the old series was very campy. Horrible special effects, some bad acting, and a lot of quarries in Wales. What makes it addicting, to me, is the good acting, and the scripts (when they decide to be good). It shouldn't be too silly, but it needs to recognize how ridiculous it all is. The references I don't mind, but sometimes it's just too smug and "brilliant" for its own good.
Either way, I'm glad to see RTD gone. He was pretty good getting the scriptwriters to work to a finale, but I don't know if I've ever seen a TV show writer so consistently botch finales. He sets things up so you stare at the screen wondering how the Doctor can get out of this one... and it turns out RTD doesn't know either, so he makes up some lame deus ex machina (in the case of Last of the Time Lords... LITERALLY) and ends it.
He should have left at Journey's End. After you've set up a finale where the villain wants to undo all of reality, where do you honestly go from there? Instead we got three bizarre and unwieldy specials and this. Something I can't have an opinion on yet.
I am also looking forward to Moffat.
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Post by PKO on Jan 1, 2010 22:06:22 GMT -5
I very much enjoyed it, and was anticipating the end of Tennant's run. I never disliked him, but I was looking forward to the change. I thought it was a good final episode for him. Random Observations (not really spoilery for the most part but just to be safe): {Spoiler} Alot of the dialogue in the episode left me in the dark about what was happening, but I've kind of accepted that with Doctor Who. I'm not a die-hard fan, I just like being taken for a sci-fi ride for a while and that's what this episode did.
I knew that the cactus headed aliens would be very much disliked by a lot of people but I kinda liked them. I also liked that the female was Nina from Being Human!
Bernard Cribbins was great. As were everyone really.
I really want to like Matt Smith, and I'm sure he'll develop into his own Doctor (and from what I've read so far, he should be good). However his first appearence was lacklustre; they probably wanted him to act like David Tennant to show it's still the same Doctor but he was just kinda awkward.
I had a love/hate relationship with John Simm throughout both episodes. The sight of him in the background with a pink blouse during dramatic moments didn't help.
I actually loved the Star Wars bar scene, I thought it was nifty. Love Russell Tovey (Being Human!) as well, and wouldn't mind seeing him in Torchwood series 4 which looks like a big possibility (Tovey was sworn to secrecy about any further appearences in the Who franchise, which kind of points in that direction).
I'll probably have to watch the scene where the Doctor swaps places with Wilf again because at the moment, thinking back, I can't really understand why he didn't just leave the chamber.
I loved the scene where he visited all the old companions and friends. LOVED IT.
Everytime I see Martha I like her more and more and wish she would just go to Torchwood full time.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 2, 2010 0:01:19 GMT -5
I very much enjoyed it, and was anticipating the end of Tennant's run. I never disliked him, but I was looking forward to the change. I thought it was a good final episode for him. Random Observations (not really spoilery for the most part but just to be safe): {Spoiler}I'll probably have to watch the scene where the Doctor swaps places with Wilf again because at the moment, thinking back, I can't really understand why he didn't just leave the chamber.
{Spoiler}It was explained that there always had to be someone inside. The only way to get out was for the other person to buzz you out.
Which is a serious design flaw but there you have it.
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Post by Premier Blah on Jan 2, 2010 7:58:11 GMT -5
I very much enjoyed it, and was anticipating the end of Tennant's run. I never disliked him, but I was looking forward to the change. I thought it was a good final episode for him. Random Observations (not really spoilery for the most part but just to be safe): {Spoiler}I'll probably have to watch the scene where the Doctor swaps places with Wilf again because at the moment, thinking back, I can't really understand why he didn't just leave the chamber.
{Spoiler}It was explained that there always had to be someone inside. The only way to get out was for the other person to buzz you out.
Which is a serious design flaw but there you have it. {Spoiler}I literally had chills up my spine when I heard Will's knocking four times, it was thus as tragic as the writers said it would be. Apart from that the episode was engaging and was a very nice send off for the Tenth, but didn't really do it for me. Also, I hope Rassilon is just a really popular name - as much as I love Tim Dalton I don't think I could see one of the founding (corrupt?) fathers of Gallifrey return as James Bond and do some special affects with his Power Glove Hand of Omega. Also, the mysterious woman that meets Will and is seen by the Doctor. The Producers say she's actually the Doc's mother (!!!). I have no idea how well this will play out... Looking forward to the 11th!
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