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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 28, 2009 11:08:32 GMT -5
Fourth plays fifth, third plays sixth.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 28, 2009 11:10:55 GMT -5
Never could get that straight. So we could see the Bengals play the Jets two weeks in a row, unless the Bengals decide to play their starters this weekend and put up the win.
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Post by MGH on Dec 28, 2009 12:28:26 GMT -5
the Colts head coach Jim Caldwell pusses out of 15-0. That's the best way to sum up my day. I wanted to tell Bob Lamey that the fans weren't booing the sight of Curtis Painter as much as they were booing Jim Caldwell's decision. And he did make a promise earlier in the week stating that if things went south, he would bring the available starters back, but Gijon Robinson is NOT a starter. Thanks for killing the momentum, Jim, and if the Colts lose in the Divisional Round, we all know one person who'll get a deal of blame. That's what irks me so much about this. What exactly in the recent history of the Colts says resting the starters is a good idea? I've never thought it's a good idea, for any team. You can be out for the year after cutting the wrong way in practice. You can be out for the year slipping on some ice in the parking lot. Injuries happen. I'm more willing to risk someone getting hurt than killing all the momentum the team has going. Now conceivably with the bye they could not play the usual squad for two weeks and a quarter and a half. Why? Because that's worked so well for them in the past? Once Peyton hits his rhythm with his receivers you don't cut it short. That's when you get games like we've seen them have in the playoffs before. If they don't make the Superbowl at least, I and many others will look back on these final two games and say this is where the train totally came off the tracks. None of it made sense yesterday. You put Peyton on the bench, but you keep most of the O-Line out there. The second biggest MVP of the team behind Peyton is that O-Line that made Manning the least sacked starter in the league this season. You're afraid Wayne is going to break his ankle getting tackled, but not afraid one of them is going to get caught with some 350 pound man falling on their leg and tearing their knee to pieces? Caldwell's decisions yesterday were as head scratching as some of the NY fans I've read since yesterday proclaiming it a turning point win in the history of the franchise. YOU BEAT A SECOND TEAM SQUAD WHO QUIT. They're the same mediocre team they were 2 days ago. Nothing changed. If the Bengals lay down for them and they drag their sorry asses in to the playoffs, some lucky team will have a field day. It'll be like those Bronco teams the Colts salivated over facing those two years a row in the playoffs.
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Post by LONG ISLAND's OWN vinnypic on Dec 28, 2009 12:31:14 GMT -5
This is pretty hilarious:
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 28, 2009 12:44:27 GMT -5
That's the best way to sum up my day. I wanted to tell Bob Lamey that the fans weren't booing the sight of Curtis Painter as much as they were booing Jim Caldwell's decision. And he did make a promise earlier in the week stating that if things went south, he would bring the available starters back, but Gijon Robinson is NOT a starter. Thanks for killing the momentum, Jim, and if the Colts lose in the Divisional Round, we all know one person who'll get a deal of blame. That's what irks me so much about this. What exactly in the recent history of the Colts says resting the starters is a good idea? I've never thought it's a good idea, for any team. You can be out for the year after cutting the wrong way in practice. You can be out for the year slipping on some ice in the parking lot. Injuries happen. I'm more willing to risk someone getting hurt than killing all the momentum the team has going. Now conceivably with the bye they could not play the usual squad for two weeks and a quarter and a half. Why? Because that's worked so well for them in the past? Once Peyton hits his rhythm with his receivers you don't cut it short. That's when you get games like we've seen them have in the playoffs before. If they don't make the Superbowl at least, I and many others will look back on these final two games and say this is where the train totally came off the tracks. None of it made sense yesterday. You put Peyton on the bench, but you keep most of the O-Line out there. The second biggest MVP of the team behind Peyton is that O-Line that made Manning the least sacked starter in the league this season. You're afraid Wayne is going to break his ankle getting tackled, but not afraid one of them is going to get caught with some 350 pound man falling on their leg and tearing their knee to pieces? Caldwell's decisions yesterday were as head scratching as some of the NY fans I've read since yesterday proclaiming it a turning point win in the history of the franchise. YOU BEAT A SECOND TEAM SQUAD WHO QUIT. They're the same mediocre team they were 2 days ago. Nothing changed. If the Bengals lay down for them and they drag their sorry asses in to the playoffs, some lucky team will have a field day. It'll be like those Bronco teams the Colts salivated over facing those two years a row in the playoffs. Agree with all of this. And as many have already said, The Colts handed the Jets a victory, and in the process screwed over EVERY other team who is clawing and fighting to get into the playoffs. It is insulting to the integrity of the game. Im sure that when asked, everyone will say the right things in Indy, but I can not fathom that any of the Colts players involed are at all happy about Caldwell's gutless decision. EDIT: If they lose the Super Bowl, they look like asses. If they *win* the Super Bowl, it's as bad, if not worse because then everyone will always wonder what if they didnt quit during week 16?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 28, 2009 12:59:29 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2009 13:11:35 GMT -5
That's what irks me so much about this. What exactly in the recent history of the Colts says resting the starters is a good idea? I've never thought it's a good idea, for any team. You can be out for the year after cutting the wrong way in practice. You can be out for the year slipping on some ice in the parking lot. Injuries happen. I'm more willing to risk someone getting hurt than killing all the momentum the team has going. Now conceivably with the bye they could not play the usual squad for two weeks and a quarter and a half. Why? Because that's worked so well for them in the past? Once Peyton hits his rhythm with his receivers you don't cut it short. That's when you get games like we've seen them have in the playoffs before. If they don't make the Superbowl at least, I and many others will look back on these final two games and say this is where the train totally came off the tracks. None of it made sense yesterday. You put Peyton on the bench, but you keep most of the O-Line out there. The second biggest MVP of the team behind Peyton is that O-Line that made Manning the least sacked starter in the league this season. You're afraid Wayne is going to break his ankle getting tackled, but not afraid one of them is going to get caught with some 350 pound man falling on their leg and tearing their knee to pieces? Caldwell's decisions yesterday were as head scratching as some of the NY fans I've read since yesterday proclaiming it a turning point win in the history of the franchise. YOU BEAT A SECOND TEAM SQUAD WHO QUIT. They're the same mediocre team they were 2 days ago. Nothing changed. If the Bengals lay down for them and they drag their sorry asses in to the playoffs, some lucky team will have a field day. It'll be like those Bronco teams the Colts salivated over facing those two years a row in the playoffs. Agree with all of this. And as many have already said, The Colts handed the Jets a victory, and in the process screwed over EVERY other team who is clawing and fighting to get into the playoffs. It is insulting to the integrity of the game. Im sure that when asked, everyone will say the right things in Indy, but I can not fathom that any of the Colts players involed are at all happy about Caldwell's gutless decision. EDIT: If they lose the Super Bowl, they look like asses. If they *win* the Super Bowl, it's as bad, if not worse because then everyone will always wonder what if they didnt quit during week 16? Again, most of the O-line was out there because they don't have enough healthy linemen to bench all of those starters. It was physically impossible to bench all starters due to all the injuries that they are dealing with. Everyone seems to forget that since Peyton never gets hurt. I found it amusing to hear an interview from Santonio Holmes when they asked him what he thought of all of this. He said that he wished that they had played the whole game (likely because that would have benefited his team for them to do so). When asked what his team would have done in the Colts position, he said that the Steelers would have done the same damned thing and the team would have appreciated it due to all of the mounting nicks and bruises. I wonder how many other teams would actually say the same thing.
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Dec 28, 2009 13:13:41 GMT -5
...and if Peyton gets left in and someone gets thrown into his shin and goes out for the season, Caldwell's an idiot because he thought 16-0 was more important than a Super Bowl. And for all those people saying that they should've not handed the Jets a win...
Baltimore, you should have done better than 1-6 against playoff-bound teams. Pittsburgh, you shouldn't have lost to Cleveland, Kansas City AND Oakland. Houston, you should have done better than 1-3 against teams in the Wild Card hunt. Denver, you shouldn't have lost to Oakland and Washington.
All of those teams had opportunities to handle their business, and they choked. I will shed no tears for them.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 28, 2009 13:18:19 GMT -5
...and if Peyton gets left in and someone gets thrown into his shin and goes out for the season, Caldwell's an idiot because he thought 16-0 was more important than a Super Bowl. And for all those people saying that they should've not handed the Jets a win... Baltimore, you should have done better than 1-6 against playoff-bound teams. Pittsburgh, you shouldn't have lost to Cleveland, Kansas City AND Oakland. Houston, you should have done better than 1-3 against teams in the Wild Card hunt. Denver, you shouldn't have lost to Oakland and Washington. All of those teams had opportunities to handle their business, and they choked. I will shed no tears for them. Except even with this battered Colts o-line, no one was STILL getting to Peyton.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 28, 2009 13:21:27 GMT -5
All of those teams had opportunities to handle their business, and they choked. Hell, Im not arguing that point at all, the point Im trying to make is that the Jets (who also choked themseleves with 2 losses to Miami and a loss to Buffalo) got the benefit of being handed a victory. The other teams, did not. They're clawing and fighting to survive. The Jets have a major advantage.
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Post by FrankGotch on Dec 28, 2009 13:23:58 GMT -5
...and if Peyton gets left in and someone gets thrown into his shin and goes out for the season, Caldwell's an idiot because he thought 16-0 was more important than a Super Bowl. That might be a valid point if it wasn't for the fact that the Colts have lost in the playoffs every single time that they have pulled the starters in the last games of the regular season. They should be playing to win the game period.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 28, 2009 13:24:09 GMT -5
...and if Peyton gets left in and someone gets thrown into his shin and goes out for the season, Caldwell's an idiot because he thought 16-0 was more important than a Super Bowl. And for all those people saying that they should've not handed the Jets a win... Baltimore, you should have done better than 1-6 against playoff-bound teams. Pittsburgh, you shouldn't have lost to Cleveland, Kansas City AND Oakland. Houston, you should have done better than 1-3 against teams in the Wild Card hunt. Denver, you shouldn't have lost to Oakland and Washington. All of those teams had opportunities to handle their business, and they choked. I will shed no tears for them. Except even with this battered Colts o-line, no one was STILL getting to Peyton. Semi related: It has always been my opinion that Indy gets away with more offensive holding than any other team in football.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2009 13:31:50 GMT -5
Except even with this battered Colts o-line, no one was STILL getting to Peyton. Semi related: It has always been my opinion that Indy gets away with more offensive holding than any other team in football. I won't say that is not possible, but if this is the case I would not say tht it is due to preferential treatment. I would say that it is due to Howard Mudd working and molding that line in his image for well over a decade now. The fact that they run a no huddle but usually run the clock down so Peyton can analyze the defense but they don't get a lot of false starts indicates that the lineman are extremely disciplined. The truth is that there is holding that will always get called and holding that will never get called. The Colts are disciplined enough to stick to the latter.
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Dec 28, 2009 13:44:04 GMT -5
Here's your playoff situation, updated through the Monday Night Game:
NFC
New Orleans - Clinched NFC South and #1 Seed Best case: #1 - Worst case: #1
Minnesota - Clinched NFC North Best case: #2 - Worst case: #4 *Clinches first round bye with win and PHI loss or tie (@ DAL) OR tie and PHI loss
Arizona - Clinched NFC West Best case: #2 - Worst case: #4 *Clinches first round bye with win (vs GB) AND MIN loss (vs NYG) AND PHI loss (@ DAL)
Philadelphia - clinched playoff spot Best case: #2 - Worst case: #6 *Clinches NFC East and home playoff game with win or tie (@ DAL) *Clinches first round bye with win OR tie and MIN loss or tie(vs NYG)
Dallas - clinched playoff spot Best case: #2 - Worst case: #6 *Clinches NFC East and home playoff game with win (vs PHI) *Clinches first round bye with win AND MIN loss (vs NYG) AND ARI loss or tie (vs GB)
Green Bay - Clinched playoff spot Best case: #5 - Worst case: #6 *Clinches #5 seed with win (@ ARI) OR DAL loss (vs PHI) OR tie and DAL tie
AFC
Indianapolis - Clinched AFC South and #1 Seed Best case: #1 - Worst case: #1
San Diego - Clinched AFC West and First Round Bye Best case: #2 - Worst case: #2
New England - Clinched AFC East Best case: #3 - Worst case: #4 *Clinches #3 seed with win (@ HOU) OR CIN loss (@ NYJ) OR tie and CIN tie
Cincinnati - Clinched AFC North Best case: #3 - Worst case: #4 *Clinches #3 seed with win (@ NYJ) and NE loss or tie (@ HOU) OR tie and NE loss
Baltimore *Clinches playoff spot with win (@ OAK)
NY Jets *Clinches playoff spot with win (vs CIN)
Denver Clinches playoff spot with a win in one of these scenarios: *Win (vs KC) AND NYJ loss or tie (vs CIN) AND BAL loss or tie (@ OAK) *Win AND NYJ loss or tie AND PIT loss or tie (@ MIA) *Win AND NYJ loss or tie AND HOU win (vs NE) *Win AND BAL loss or tie AND PIT loss or tie *Win AND BAL loss or tie AND HOU win *PIT loss AND 3 of the following four teams losing: (JAX [@ CLE], BAL, HOU, NYJ) *NYJ loss AND BAL loss AND HOU loss AND MIA loss or tie AND JAX loss or tie
Pittsburgh Clinches playoff spot in one of the following scenarios: *Win (@ MIA) AND HOU loss or tie (vs NE) AND NYJ loss or tie (vs CIN) *Win AND HOU loss or tie AND BAL loss or tie (@ OAK) *Win AND NYJ loss or tie AND BAL loss or tie AND DEN loss or tie (vs KC)
Houston Clinches playoff spot in one of the following scenarios: *Win (vs NE) AND NYJ loss or tie (vs CIN) AND BAL loss or tie (@ OAK) *Win AND NYJ loss or tie AND DEN loss or tie (vs KC) *Win AND BAL loss or tie (@ OAK) AND DEN loss or tie
Jacksonville Clinches playoff spot with: *Win (@ CLE) AND 4 of the following 5 teams losing: (PIT [@ MIA], DEN [vs KC], BAL [@ OAK], HOU [vs NE], NYJ [vs CIN])
Miami Clinches playoff spot with: *Win (vs PIT) AND NYJ loss (vs CIN) AND BAL loss (@ OAK) AND HOU loss (vs NE) AND JAX loss or tie (@ CLE)
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Post by The Line on Dec 28, 2009 14:49:30 GMT -5
I know its the unpopular opinion, but I agree with Caldwell's decision.
We all saw how the colts played without Manning, just on a small scale. Imagine that in the divisional round. They can come in next week, get their revenge win, and then go into the playoffs with momentum. Who cares if history isn't on their side. Only fools let superstition get into the way of skills. Who cares if they "screwed over other teams". That's not Indy's responsibility. Those other teams screwed themselves over by not winning more games earlier. Any player who is mad will not be if they win a Super Bowl(and at this point, I think the Colts have the best shot). All 16-0 is is masterbation at this point. Honestly makes no difference if the Colts go into the playoffs 16-0,15-1, or 14-2.
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Post by Krimzon on Dec 28, 2009 15:25:04 GMT -5
This is pretty hilarious: At first I happy'd...Then I sad'd.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 28, 2009 15:26:45 GMT -5
Whew, don't do that, ya scared me.. I was expecting some horrific injury story or some such when I clicked. I'm gonna ease up on Wade a bit; not that I think he's a good coach, but he's obviously the one we're stuck with for the time being, and me wanting him canned is doing nothing but frustrating me as long as Jerrah keeps him around. Plus, I'm in too good a mood now that they're actually in the playoffs ( hopefully with a division title next week) and with the way Romo and the defense has been playing the last few games; so I'm gonna think positive again and hope to see a postseason victory for the first time in thirteen friggin years. Here's hopin.
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Post by MGH on Dec 28, 2009 16:02:58 GMT -5
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Post by MDH1980 on Dec 28, 2009 16:59:02 GMT -5
...and if Peyton gets left in and someone gets thrown into his shin and goes out for the season, Caldwell's an idiot because he thought 16-0 was more important than a Super Bowl. I suppose Peyton should avoid walking down the street or driving a car since there's a risk he might get hurt. People always make this argument, but has it ever happened? i.e. someone who had everything wrapped up played their starters anyway, a star player got injured, and they end up losing in the playoffs? It's a valid concern, but has it ever really happened?
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Post by Krimzon on Dec 28, 2009 17:39:34 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with John Fox or the GM coming back. It's Jake "For F***'s Sake, Go Home" Delhomme returning I have a problem with. Matt "Gimmie Some" Moore has played better in 2 games than Delhomme has played since the end of last season.
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