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Post by American Dragon on Dec 23, 2009 18:48:29 GMT -5
Source: The Pro Wrestling Torch
There are mixed feelings on WWE champion Sheamus among those in the company.
Some feel as though his friendship with Triple H has been blown out of proportion, while others accuse him of being a shameless suck-up to him. It should be noted that he trains with Trips while on the road.
This really really angers me, and I haven't even been keeping up with the WWE on a regular basis since April or May of this year. I've been reading forever about how WWE uses the same 3 or 4 guys in the main event every week, and now they finally put the title on someone new and has him ease his way into the Main Event scene, yet people seem to find ridiculous excuses why he isn't a "worthy" champion. This excuse that his relationship with Triple H is why he is champion is one of the most idiotic things I've read from wrestling reporters and/or fans in a while.
I mean, these days, the WWE is damned if they don't, and damned if they do. I guess there is no pleasing WWE fans.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Dec 23, 2009 18:52:46 GMT -5
Source: The Pro Wrestling Torch
There are mixed feelings on WWE champion Sheamus among those in the company.
Some feel as though his friendship with Triple H has been blown out of proportion, while others accuse him of being a shameless suck-up to him. It should be noted that he trains with Trips while on the road. This really really angers me, and I haven't even been keeping up with the WWE on a regular basis since April or May of this year. I've been reading forever about how WWE uses the same 3 or 4 guys in the main event every week, and now they finally put the title on someone new and has him ease his way into the Main Event scene, yet people seem to find ridiculous excuses why he isn't a "worthy" champion. This excuse that his relationship with Triple H is why he is champion is one of the most idiotic things I've read from wrestling reporters and/or fans in a while. I mean, these days, the WWE is damned if they don't, and damned if they do. I guess there is no pleasing WWE fans. This. WWE is finally doing something good in creating a capable main eventer thats actually *gasp* different from the rest and is accused of only having success by association.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Dec 23, 2009 18:54:13 GMT -5
Explain how he got the belt about as fast as Brock Lesnar? Despite very little buildup and not showing any particular reason why he deserves it?
You have new guys like MVP, Kofi, Morrison, Swagger...who all have put on a bunch of great matches and have been at least built up to be credible title holders in some capacity, and they can all cut better promos than Sheamus and all have more personality and character.
Yet Sheamus gets it? Its like if they gave the belt to Snitsky two months after he debuted.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Dec 23, 2009 18:55:36 GMT -5
If I was in the WWE, I'd suck up to Tripper too. It's only smart. If Sheamus is such a master politician that he can worm his way to the title within months, fair play to him.
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Post by American Dragon on Dec 23, 2009 19:00:21 GMT -5
Explain how he got the belt about as fast as Brock Lesnar? Despite very little buildup and not showing any particular reason why he deserves it? You have new guys like MVP, Kofi, Morrison, Swagger...who all have put on a bunch of great matches and have been at least built up to be credible title holders in some capacity, and they can all cut better promos than Sheamus and all have more personality and character. Yet Sheamus gets it? Its like if they gave the belt to Snitsky two months after he debuted. I know exactly what you mean, and I agree with you to a certain extent. I mean, people have been bitching non-stop all year about how the same 3 or 4 guys are in the main event every week, we finally get a new champion and is anyone happy? No, still the same bitching and even more moaning than before. You'd think all of these months of crying and bitching about no new ME superstars, we'd finally get one and at least be joyous of the fact that we got someone new in the ME scene. Granted, he hasn't had any buildup, we barely seen any promos or mic time out of him, but he's been champ for about two weeks now? Give him some time to get going. I'm not saying it was a good decision to throw the title on him this soon, but for Christs sake, we have someone fresh in the Main Event.
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Post by PKO on Dec 23, 2009 19:06:01 GMT -5
If there's a possibility of story, then it will be made into a story.
Sheamus is one of the most oddly recieved wrestlers in the past few years. Some people really think he's the future of the WWE, some people can't see what all the fuss is about, some are willing to give him a chance, some aren't.
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Post by Ragnal on Dec 23, 2009 19:14:45 GMT -5
So...in other words...
It's a shameless thing to s*** his head?
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Post by skiller on Dec 23, 2009 19:15:50 GMT -5
I can't blame people for questioning why he has the belt. It's really hard to see what main event qualities he offers in that position.
But if this story is true. It's messed up that Trip's has so much pull that he can orchestrate who gets the belt.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2009 19:23:11 GMT -5
Its like if they gave the belt to Snitsky two months after he debuted. It's a Wonderful Life 2: The Snitsky Stories, which shows how the whole WWE would be a better place if this happened.
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 23, 2009 19:32:25 GMT -5
Sheamus O'Shaunessy? More like Sheamluss O'Suckupsy!
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 23, 2009 19:47:25 GMT -5
Everyone wanted WWE to push someone new, but the doesn't mean just "anyone" new is acceptable. Sheamus just doesn't seem like the right guy, he has nothing to qualify him as a main event player, unlike Brock Lesnar who has natural charisma, great in-ring skills, and an intimidating look.
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Dec 23, 2009 19:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by Kash Flagg on Dec 23, 2009 19:55:13 GMT -5
It just looks odd that the guy that was losing to Goldust mere months ago is now the guy who beats everyone with ease.
It may be blown out of proportions, but I think (my opinion only) him buddying up to Triple H has certainly helped him. Is he a worthy champion? I haven't seen enough of him in long matches to know. Time will tell.
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Post by don on Dec 23, 2009 19:55:42 GMT -5
I really doubt that he is a suck-up to Triple H. However, good for him if it is true. We all kiss our boss's asses to get ahead. I know I do!! How can anyone judge Sheamus for doing the same thing? The rebel-type "Stone Cold" Steve Austin character that treats the boss like crap only works in fiction. If you can show me anyone in the real world who doesn't suck up to his or her boss, and I will show you someone with almost no hopes for career advancement. Furthermore, if this is true, I wish all the wrestlers would suck up to Triple H. Imagine all the variety in the main event scene.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Dec 23, 2009 19:59:02 GMT -5
No one has thought him getting the belt was a ratings idea? Now, I know its today's day and age its a crazy thought, but what if the writers and Vince wanted to bring someone completely new into the scene? They see that this guy is busting his chops, Trips is impressed (and don't blow off his opinion, everyone may hate him in the ME scene but the guy KNOWS talent), so Vince says hell with it, lets shake things up. Sheamus is big, credible, and hella comfortable on the mic. People are blowing his Irish "Dahhh" out of the water. Give the dang guy time, no one needs heat immediately. Hell, maybe its just the group of people who walked in that night, but when Sheamus won the title, hooters erupted in a mix of cheers and boos from all ages. All this Sheamus talk is getting me riled up. Just because he's not a board favorite shouldn't mean everyone damns his run to the depths of Hades.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 23, 2009 20:01:04 GMT -5
Explain how he got the belt about as fast as Brock Lesnar? Despite very little buildup and not showing any particular reason why he deserves it? You have new guys like MVP, Kofi, Morrison, Swagger...who all have put on a bunch of great matches and have been at least built up to be credible title holders in some capacity, and they can all cut better promos than Sheamus and all have more personality and character. Yet Sheamus gets it? Its like if they gave the belt to Snitsky two months after he debuted. How do you know he hasn't shown anything? He's obviously demonstrated something to a number of veterans and influential decision makers that made them think of the idea of giving him the belt, and Vince had to agree because he didn't veto the idea. I'm going to find my post from another thread on this exact subject, because it really is being blown of all proportion. Listen to what he says in the interview with The Star guys. It's not politicking. The main eventers aren't keeping people down. They just want the young guys to demonstrate they have not only the talent, but the desire to be the future of this business. Sheamus, with HHH's stories of him going the extra mile to learn and turning up to shows he doesn't even have to be at, has that desire.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 23, 2009 20:03:10 GMT -5
Let's actually look at what HHH said:
HHH: The closest to me is probably Sheamus, because we always train together on the road. But I try to watch all the young guys' matches and give them advice, if they want to hear it. If they take advice to heart and really want to improve, them I am wanting to help. As for seeing some of myself in someone? Thats tough. Sheamus just the other day showed up at a show he didn't have to be at. He does whatever he's asked to do without complaining, he goes to every show and is always wanting to work: he does it all, goes above and beyond. That's what I was like.
So HHH isn't just giving a 'friend' a push. I think Vince has identified qualities in Sheamus that can make him a marketable star - his unique look, size and gimmick - and HHH has identified that he has the personal qualities that will make him a sustainable star - the fact that he is willing to go the extra mile, going above and beyond etc. There is no reason for HHH to be friends with Sheamus, they aren't lifelong buddies like he is with HBK, and neither was Orton or Batista. They were handpicked, but not because they are friends, but because they have personal qualities that will make a star. Like Cena has those same qualities, he is a tremendously hard worker outside of the areana, always wanting to improve and is willing to do whatever the company asks. That's the kind of person you can put your belief in, that you can feature them prominently in the company.
Sheamus would have got the call to ECW because of his talent and unique look and they probably thought 'Let's see how he does', and that's why he has even feuds with Shelton and Goldust. I'll bet anything that during the time he was on the main roster, he was showing up at all the shows, asking the older guys for advice and going the extra mile. This is how he made the influential guys in the company take notice, like you would in any business if you demonstrated your desire to do well. So then HHH takes him under his wing, because HHH thinks 'This guy has what it takes to be a star'. He then gets moved to Raw and gets an entirely different push to the one he got on ECW, so something changed. He made people believe that he was worthy of getting a fast push.
It wasn't 'HHH gives his friend a call up and then gives him the title' it was 'Wrestler gets called up, demonstrates ability and desire, catches the eye of influential people in the company, then gets push'. There was no reason for HHH to care about Sheamus whatsoever until Sheamus demonstrated that he was worth investing in, and HHH knows what draws in this business.
It's like when stories came out a while back about Vince 'palling up' with Cena. Well, dur. Of course they are going to be close. Cena is his cash cow. Vince has no reason to be friends with Cena though. Cena isn't a family friend, and he hasn't saved Vince's life. The reason Vince gets close to Cena is because Cena has demonstrated that he will be a success in this business, so is worth investing in.
With the company as it is now, I don't think any wrestler is going to get a 'push' without HHH behind them. Any wrestler that comes to the main roster from developmental now, would have joined the company when HHH is in the position he is in, so he will see their development right the way through. If the company has the confidence to push someone, it means the entire office, including HHH, agrees that they are worth investing in. So every new star that ever gets pushed from now until whenever HHH moves on is going to have HHH behind him, because HHH knows what sells. It just so happens that with Sheamus, HHH gave an interview where he put him over, so the fans assume Sheamus is a special case. But it's going to be like that for every new guy, because you're going to have to impress one of the decision makers if you want to make it in the company. Cena has HHH behind him, so does Orton, so does Batista, so did Jeff Hardy, so does Punk, so does Cody and so does Ted. And anyone else that's ever going to go far in the WWE.
And that's not HHH abusing his power. He simply knows what it takes to be a success.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Dec 23, 2009 20:03:58 GMT -5
Or maybe they just needed someone new to feed to supercena.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 23, 2009 20:11:28 GMT -5
*Looks at calender*
I misjudged the timing of this article. I had it being written on December 30th. Looks like I'm out of the raffle.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Dec 23, 2009 20:12:50 GMT -5
I however, had Dec. 23rd as my pick in the pool.
Too bad I was the only one in my pool...and I can't pay myself.
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