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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2009 11:34:41 GMT -5
1,000th "ZOMG - the IWC is hypocrites for not liking Sheamus & McInytre's push - they're new guys aren't they!!"?!?!?!!?11/?!"
Haha, actually I don't see the big deal. If I was working somewhere and had a chance to get my friends in a better position at the company - I'd do it. And so would most anyone else I think.
Even funnier is everyone trying to pretend like Sheamus & Drew aren't in HHH's pocket. These two guys are smart - they knew what it took to get the spotlight and then went out and did it. The boss, for all intents and purposes, is HHH. Show the boss you're a hard worker and are willing to put the time in and he'll give you shot.
There are a lot of other guys who work just as hard and for longer, but they didn't do it right under HHH's nose (nose jokes go here) and that's why they probably didn't get the same shots as McIntyre and Sheamus.
I don't care for either guys - but that's how most jobs work.
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Post by foreveryoung on Dec 24, 2009 13:14:44 GMT -5
I dont think there is any problem with WWE pushing new stars to the moon. They have to do it for the future of the company. I think its just the fact that there are many more deserving guys around besides Sheamus and Drew who arent truly established yet in my eyes. You have guys that much more over, paid their dues, put their time in, and have established themselves more and gotten themselves more over who deserve those pushed than these two..
So whoever says, Vince has the final say.. Maybe its triple H. Obviously he has alot of pull. This just shows it. He was pulling this same crap back in the early 00s. Guys like RVD and Booker getting squashed when they were HUGELY OVER back in 2002 or so. Now guys who are more over than Drew and SHeamus dont get squat and they have to sit back and watch young guys who arent truly established get the big runs just because they are friends with Triple H
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 24, 2009 13:40:00 GMT -5
I dont think there is any problem with WWE pushing new stars to the moon. They have to do it for the future of the company. I think its just the fact that there are many more deserving guys around besides Sheamus and Drew who arent truly established yet in my eyes. You have guys that much more over, paid their dues, put their time in, and have established themselves more and gotten themselves more over who deserve those pushed than these two.. So whoever says, Vince has the final say.. Maybe its triple H. Obviously he has alot of pull. This just shows it. He was pulling this same crap back in the early 00s. Guys like RVD and Booker getting squashed when they were HUGELY OVER back in 2002 or so. Now guys who are more over than Drew and SHeamus dont get squat and they have to sit back and watch young guys who arent truly established get the big runs just because they are friends with Triple H Really? RVD was sqaushed? I thought he lost his match to HHH due to Ric Flair's interference. Of course HHH is pulling some of the strings. Who else do they expect to do it? Jimmy Wang Yang? HHH knows the business, if someone impresses him, and also Vince, then if they get a push, that's not a problem. They impress him because they have potential. I really don't know what people's problem is with Drew or Sheamus. The 'FCW Clone' argument is strange since they look nothing like each other. They can both talk. They both have the look. They can both work. It seems people will always pick at something. Like because Sheamus isn't Brock Lesnar or because Drew doesn't have a 'gimmick'. Sheamus is believable in his gimmick, and with Drew they are having him develop a personality rather than just have a gimmick. Like they are doing with Cody and Ted - who also get accused of having 'no charisma' or being 'bland' when in actual fact they do.
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Post by foreveryoung on Dec 24, 2009 13:59:10 GMT -5
I dont think there is any problem with WWE pushing new stars to the moon. They have to do it for the future of the company. I think its just the fact that there are many more deserving guys around besides Sheamus and Drew who arent truly established yet in my eyes. You have guys that much more over, paid their dues, put their time in, and have established themselves more and gotten themselves more over who deserve those pushed than these two.. So whoever says, Vince has the final say.. Maybe its triple H. Obviously he has alot of pull. This just shows it. He was pulling this same crap back in the early 00s. Guys like RVD and Booker getting squashed when they were HUGELY OVER back in 2002 or so. Now guys who are more over than Drew and SHeamus dont get squat and they have to sit back and watch young guys who arent truly established get the big runs just because they are friends with Triple H Really? RVD was sqaushed? I thought he lost his match to HHH due to Ric Flair's interference. Of course HHH is pulling some of the strings. Who else do they expect to do it? Jimmy Wang Yang? HHH knows the business, if someone impresses him, and also Vince, then if they get a push, that's not a problem. They impress him because they have potential. I really don't know what people's problem is with Drew or Sheamus. The 'FCW Clone' argument is strange since they look nothing like each other. They can both talk. They both have the look. They can both work. It seems people will always pick at something. Like because Sheamus isn't Brock Lesnar or because Drew doesn't have a 'gimmick'. Sheamus is believable in his gimmick, and with Drew they are having him develop a personality rather than just have a gimmick. Like they are doing with Cody and Ted - who also get accused of having 'no charisma' or being 'bland' when in actual fact they do. How would u like to be an employee of a company, paid your dues, put your time in, established yourself, worked your butt off, and some other guys sneaks right in and steals a promotion than you had been going for and all the time and effort you put in then feels like a waste of a time because that other person is friends with who has the pull? As far as Ted Dibiase or Cody Rhodes? Bland as can be IMO and I dont think either are capable of being big time stars. Neither have the charisma or ability that their father's had. And YES IMO I think RVD was squashed in certain ways.. Obviously when he got caught in 2006 with drugs didnt help. But hell Randy Orton has trashed hotel rooms, been in trouble countless times and yet they kept him around. RVD was more over than Orton was. Maybe even could be more over than Cena. That RAW anniversary show proved that. RVD should be still be around and in the world title picture. Regardless of what anyone thinks RVD has always been mega over
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 24, 2009 14:41:58 GMT -5
Really? RVD was sqaushed? I thought he lost his match to HHH due to Ric Flair's interference. Of course HHH is pulling some of the strings. Who else do they expect to do it? Jimmy Wang Yang? HHH knows the business, if someone impresses him, and also Vince, then if they get a push, that's not a problem. They impress him because they have potential. I really don't know what people's problem is with Drew or Sheamus. The 'FCW Clone' argument is strange since they look nothing like each other. They can both talk. They both have the look. They can both work. It seems people will always pick at something. Like because Sheamus isn't Brock Lesnar or because Drew doesn't have a 'gimmick'. Sheamus is believable in his gimmick, and with Drew they are having him develop a personality rather than just have a gimmick. Like they are doing with Cody and Ted - who also get accused of having 'no charisma' or being 'bland' when in actual fact they do. How would u like to be an employee of a company, paid your dues, put your time in, established yourself, worked your butt off, and some other guys sneaks right in and steals a promotion than you had been going for and all the time and effort you put in then feels like a waste of a time because that other person is friends with who has the pull? As far as Ted Dibiase or Cody Rhodes? Bland as can be IMO and I dont think either are capable of being big time stars. Neither have the charisma or ability that their father's had. And YES IMO I think RVD was squashed in certain ways.. Obviously when he got caught in 2006 with drugs didnt help. But hell Randy Orton has trashed hotel rooms, been in trouble countless times and yet they kept him around. RVD was more over than Orton was. Maybe even could be more over than Cena. That RAW anniversary show proved that. RVD should be still be around and in the world title picture. Regardless of what anyone thinks RVD has always been mega over I've been an employee of a company where guys worked their butts off, and I've been promoted ahead of them, even though I came in after. Reason? I was better in the eyes of the decision makers. I worked hard too, but I worked hard in developing skills that would get me promoted. Some other guys, try as they might with good intentions at heart, just weren't as effective as me.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Dec 24, 2009 14:52:32 GMT -5
So in a few years Sheamus and Drew will show up on TNA and "take over"...then they'll be joined by the mystery third man...Hulk Hogan?! AGAIN?!
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Post by foreveryoung on Dec 24, 2009 15:32:47 GMT -5
How would u like to be an employee of a company, paid your dues, put your time in, established yourself, worked your butt off, and some other guys sneaks right in and steals a promotion than you had been going for and all the time and effort you put in then feels like a waste of a time because that other person is friends with who has the pull? As far as Ted Dibiase or Cody Rhodes? Bland as can be IMO and I dont think either are capable of being big time stars. Neither have the charisma or ability that their father's had. And YES IMO I think RVD was squashed in certain ways.. Obviously when he got caught in 2006 with drugs didnt help. But hell Randy Orton has trashed hotel rooms, been in trouble countless times and yet they kept him around. RVD was more over than Orton was. Maybe even could be more over than Cena. That RAW anniversary show proved that. RVD should be still be around and in the world title picture. Regardless of what anyone thinks RVD has always been mega over I've been an employee of a company where guys worked their butts off, and I've been promoted ahead of them, even though I came in after. Reason? I was better in the eyes of the decision makers. I worked hard too, but I worked hard in developing skills that would get me promoted. Some other guys, try as they might with good intentions at heart, just weren't as effective as me. So Sheamus has worked harder and deserves a push over guys like MVP, Morrison, etc.. All guys who have developed ther persona skills WAYYY MORE than Sheamus has thus far. Im sorry but your situation is not correlated to this case. Maybe you deserved in your case. But the decision makers were wrong in this case with Sheamus. And it isnt fair. Not just because the other guys who have been there a while have paid their dues.. But that they are stronger characters, more over and deserve the rub over the Albino
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 24, 2009 15:41:31 GMT -5
I know it has been mentioned that Triple H is buddies with Drew or something but can someone post a NEWZ story of it or a quote of Triple H putting him over or something? I'm just curious. Very curious. Again, no. Not Triple H and Drew. Triple H and SHEAMUS. Sheamus is the one who travels with and works out with Hunter. VINCE is the one who likes Drew.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 24, 2009 15:47:13 GMT -5
I've been an employee of a company where guys worked their butts off, and I've been promoted ahead of them, even though I came in after. Reason? I was better in the eyes of the decision makers. I worked hard too, but I worked hard in developing skills that would get me promoted. Some other guys, try as they might with good intentions at heart, just weren't as effective as me. So Sheamus has worked harder and deserves a push over guys like MVP, Morrison, etc.. All guys who have developed ther persona skills WAYYY MORE than Sheamus has thus far. Im sorry but your situation is not correlated to this case. Maybe you deserved in your case. But the decision makers were wrong in this case with Sheamus. And it isnt fair. Not just because the other guys who have been there a while have paid their dues.. But that they are stronger characters, more over and deserve the rub over the Albino Can I ask what 'deserves' means? They are in the business of making money. It's not about deserving anything. He has worked hard. I 'deserved' my promotion because I was deemed more likely to help make my company money. Saying that there has to be a certain time frame for someone means that we can never ever experience the story they are trying to tell with Sheamus, and why would we be denied? Because it isn't fair? Boo-hoo. A gradual Jeff Hardy-like push is a story to be told, and so it a dominant debutant rising quickly through the ranks. I don't see why we should be denied one end of the spectrum when their business is telling stories. He is believable in the role he is in because the majority of fans have never seen him do anything but destory people. You have someone like MVP suddenly beat Cena out of nowhere and the fans won't buy it since he's spent the last 3 years as a mid-carder and hasn't demonstrated that he should be beating them. Sheamus hans't demonstrated that he shouldn't be beating Cena yet, because he's steamrollered all other competition. He hasn't lost to mid-carders recently, where as any other mid-carder who's 'paid their dues' would have. Therefore it's a story that can be told, just like is happening in MMA, someone can rise quickly through the ranks. People are always going to pick at something whoever gets the nod. With Sheamus it's that he isn't 'over enough' (Look at the reaction he gets when he comes out to face Cena, and then compare that to RVD's reaction when he comes out to face HHH at Unforgiven 2002), or that he doesn't know enough moves or something. If MVP got the push, people would moan about his slower ringwork (just taking the example of a thread on here today), if Swagger got it, people would moan that he doesn't sound intimidating enough with his lisp. If Bourne got it, people would moan it makes the rest of the roster look weak in having a guy that size as a world champion. And so it goes on. Every single option they ever possibly could pick will have positive and negative potential consequences in the eyes of different groups of fans. All they can do is what they know. And they know what it takes to be a success in the business, so they trust that.
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Post by wwefan78 on Dec 24, 2009 17:08:04 GMT -5
In wrestling there are two kind of people: Those who actively try to further their career and those who just work hard hoping for the best. Take a wild guess who is more likely to get a push? Deserving it or not is just a matter of opinion and doesn't really mean jack in a worked business. What matters is if management has your back. Apparently Sheamus and Drew DID impress the right kind of people and thus got pushed..I say good for them. They still have to deliver and get a reaction sooner or later. Either they fail or succeed so I can't see the harm in trying. Being friends with HHH or having HBK back you can never be bad thing considering their level of experience and stroke. Those backstage moaning over this are just a bunch of bitter crybabies
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 24, 2009 22:36:38 GMT -5
Hah.. watch Bret come back and really enjoy being in the biz again. Vince offers Bret the job as booker and gets to lay out storylines and who gets pushes, basically the big picture guy while Steph's job gets to changed to basically just writing what Bret wants. Triple H's is then caught sleeping with Chyna again.
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