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Post by triplealbert on Dec 24, 2009 18:01:56 GMT -5
that there are seriously people arguing that WWE shouldn't or -- even more astonishingly -- won't talk about the Screwjob and have it be the focal point of Hart/McMahon is absolutely crazy.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 24, 2009 22:26:27 GMT -5
This is kind of what I am referring to. Why do they HAVE to do some angle about Montreal? Is there some unwritten rule? Lest we forget, Austin got arrested for beating his wife-they did not mention it on the air. McMahon got put on trial for steroids-they did not mention it on television. And of course, there has been a glaring lack of the name Benoit on WWE television for a while now. When it comes to such intensely controversial and personal subject matter, WWE does tend to actually leave it out. And as I said, for all 3 men it is probably something they prefer leave in the past. So just why do they absolutely have to make something of it on the air? Because Austin becoming a wife-beater on TV is not good for business. Benoit being a murderer is not good for business. McMahon being on trial was not good for business. The screwjob is the last thing that people like me who grew up on the nWo and the Attitude era care about. Do you want to find out where that other 3.0 to 4.0 rating share from the market era went? It's people like me who hardly tune in anymore and people who don't tune in at all anymore. We haven't generated an emotional attachment to any of the new wrestlers enough that it makes us want to buy pay per views. It's the one last thing left from wrestlings past that can still draw money. WWE would not have paid to get Bret Hart to come back (that surely didn't come cheap) unless they were going to capitalize on this. |
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 24, 2009 22:36:42 GMT -5
Easy booking would be DX and Vince vs. Bret and the new Harts. It gives his guys a push, Bret wouldnt have to do much wrestling, plus it leads to an interesting match up two faces and heel vs. a face and two heels. At least from the crowds eyes. Vince can play up trying to be a member of DX, and HBK and HHH reminding him of all the "crap" they put him threw. With that freak Hornswoggle at ringside? Or does both Natalya and Hornswoggle get in the match? I don't know if that's a good idea for her to be anywhere near Hornswoggle,I mean look what happened the last time they were involved |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 25, 2009 0:17:11 GMT -5
Them not referencing Montreal is almost like talking about how nice the weather was on November 22 1963 in Dallas, isn't it? The big f***in' elephant in the room and no one mentions it. I'll riot and I'll be in my own living room. 2 things: I know this is a big moment when you have Sasha Grey(I think that's how it's spelled) sit it out. And yes, dancing around the obvious when it's this big is not a great idea, even though I don't like the times when WWE did in the past. |
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Post by corndog on Dec 25, 2009 1:39:35 GMT -5
Everyone thinks that DX is going to be involved with Hart's return somehow, but I really don't think it is going to happen. Obviously Vince will be, judging from his reaction during Dennis Miller's comment and it will probably revolve around the Montreal screwjob, but not DX, unless Micheals and Bret have made up. Several months ago I heard an interview with Bret where he stated he may be willing to come back and host Raw as a way to say goodbye to the fans, but he is unwilling to work with HBK. Do you think a guy that asked HBK to leave during his HOF induction would be willing to work with him? However I seriously doubt HBK will not be on every Raw if Bret Hart will work a program lasting until Wrestlemania, it would just be bad for business, the two did go three months without talking in '97 while both being employed by the WWF . But unless HBK has apologized to Bret, a DX/Hart fued will not happen.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Dec 25, 2009 1:49:45 GMT -5
You know... the more think about it, as far as the situation goes... why should Shawn apologize anyway? I mean I can see apologizing for saying he didn't know about it (on account of not wanting to get decked like Vince did), or their past of him being a prick.. but for the ACTUAL screwjob? It wasn't Shawn's call. He did what his boss told him to do.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 25, 2009 1:57:53 GMT -5
You know... the more think about it, as far as the situation goes... why should Shawn apologize anyway? I mean I can see apologizing for saying he didn't know about it (on account of not wanting to get decked like Vince did), or their past of him being a prick.. but for the ACTUAL screwjob? It wasn't Shawn's call. He did what his boss told him to do. By the accounts of those that are in the shoot category, Shawn told Bret afterwards he had nothing to do with it. Bret told him he could prove it by not saying he had anything to do with it and was outraged like him the next night. Shawn promised Bret he wouldn't ham it up the next night at Bret's expense because he wouldn't betray his trust. Well.. yeah. Plus, from Shawn's own accounts he was just a complete prick towards everyone and was impossible to work with. |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 25, 2009 2:30:50 GMT -5
With that freak Hornswoggle at ringside? Or does both Natalya and Hornswoggle get in the match? I don't know if that's a good idea for her to be anywhere near Hornswoggle,I mean look what happened the last time they were involved For probably the only time ever in life, I envied that Little Bastard on this show. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Dec 25, 2009 2:33:31 GMT -5
Like I said, yeah, Shawn should apologize for that stuff, but I don't think he has anything to apologize for as far as the actual screwjob, he did what he was told. The only person who should aplogize at all is Vince, and even then, he had his reasons.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 25, 2009 2:38:42 GMT -5
Like I said, yeah, Shawn should apologize for that stuff, but I don't think he has anything to apologize for as far as the actual screwjob, he did what he was told. The only person who should aplogize at all is Vince, and even then, he had his reasons. My bad. Way too late for my head to be reading and replying. Totally misread. |
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 25, 2009 5:41:06 GMT -5
How bout Bret comes out with the Winged Eagle Belt saying he was never beaten, and thus is still champion?
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Post by markdown474 on Dec 25, 2009 6:23:54 GMT -5
He will probably guest host RAW, I could see him as a surprise entrant in the rumble, and he may even wrestler a headline match. No way he would ever be a surprise entrant in the rumble. Any return to the ring for Bret would be BIG news, and McMahon isn't stupid enough to use such an event as a surprise unless he can promote it to draw more money. I have a hard time picturing Bret now in his 50's returning as an active wrestler at all, but if it happens, you could be sure it would be properly promoted and capitalized on. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Dec 25, 2009 13:37:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bret can't even take small bumps anymore, so an actual in ring-return is out of the question. People need to accept the fact that the man just CAN'T, he was badly injured by Goldberg and had a stroke. Plus I believe he had a knee replaced refently as well.
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Post by ani on Dec 25, 2009 14:15:44 GMT -5
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Post by PrinceD on Dec 25, 2009 14:34:19 GMT -5
I'm not a Bret Hart fan, but i'd like to see him on TV in a non-wrestling role. It bothers me when old wrestlers come back and taint their legacy because they can barely move around a ring. I'd rather rememeber them when they were in their prime.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Dec 25, 2009 19:38:07 GMT -5
I'm really bothered that my thread was locked in favor of this one, because this one I feel addresses totally different issues. I actually agree with this. The standards for locking here often confuse all holy hell out of me. |
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 25, 2009 20:06:12 GMT -5
The only person who should aplogize at all is Vince, and even then, he had his reasons. Bret had atleast a few more weeks left on his WWF contract, so it wasn't like he couldn't have dropped the title at some other point after Survivor Series (and he was willing to drop the title to almost anyone except HBK). |
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 25, 2009 20:36:53 GMT -5
Did someone say rant?  "Not basing the storyline on Montreal would be akin to the WWE bringing in Henry VIII and Pope Celement VII and neglecting to mention the English Reformation. Cha-cha." |
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Post by tap on Dec 25, 2009 23:21:00 GMT -5
So it's between:  or  I'm a pretty big Bret fan and tend to side with Bret when it comes to Survivor Series 1997, but at the same time: IT WAS TWELVE YEARS AGO. I'm all for Bret giving the Hart Dynasty the rub, but if we're gonna go back to Survivor Series 1997 AGAIN, for the umpteenth time, just, why bother? Why not do something different? Every single "evil boss screws wrestler X out of something" is a derivative of Montreal. The time to do a Bret return was a couple of years ago, when the DVD came out. How many of today's WWE fans, the ones that populate the crowds each and every week on TV, were even BORN when Bret last held the WWF title? And, to not have is return in Montreal, Calgary, or Toronto, where the fans would truly mark out, is a waste of an appearance because no other city won't mark out the same way as this: (@ 5:43) I WANT this to be good. I WANT the Hart Dynasty to benefit from working with Bret. It'd be nice to see Vince and HBK get a bit of comeuppance on-screen. Just don't make this a huge and drawn-out angle. It's been done to death. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 0:31:32 GMT -5
Some sort of Montreal based storyline is where the money is, isn't it?
Without that you've got Bret, who the fans will be happy to see initially...but it'll die fast.
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