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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 1, 2010 23:01:10 GMT -5
I was rewatching some of the episodes from the past decade and realized The Dudleys, when alone were mere jobbers, but combined were a tag team on the same level of any main-eventer.
These days you see a tag team face John Cena and he'll F-U Rhodes while making Dibiase tap.
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Post by randomranter on Jan 1, 2010 23:07:21 GMT -5
I remember (and this was many years ago, so my memory could be wrong) that Vince was never a fan of tag teams. Specifically, he doesn't like the idea of paying 4 wrestlers for a 10 minute match when he could only be paying two.
Which basically leads to the situation we have now -- a third-rate tag team division, and most teams only together long enough to get themselves and each other over before they break into singles careers.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Jan 1, 2010 23:10:46 GMT -5
Someone said it best here awhile ago. It seems as if WWE is ALWAYS looking for the next HBK when they actually have tag-teams. They are so eager to break it up to make $$ off their "new singles star" that they don't even make sure the guy is established yet.
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Post by coolkevthedude on Jan 1, 2010 23:21:42 GMT -5
I hope 2010 is the start of a new and improved tag team division. I'm not saying it's completely bad, there's teams like Legacy, Hart Dynasty, and Jeri-Show and DX, but it could be a lot better. Honestly, I would have rather seen La Resistance remain a team instead of Sylvan Grenier with a model gimmick and Rob Conway looked like one of the Village People, also had one of the worst entrance themes ever.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2010 23:27:47 GMT -5
WWE is missing tag teams? Why wasn't I told?
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 1, 2010 23:33:58 GMT -5
Hell if they weren't so quick to disband them, we'd have:
Cade & Murdoch La Resistance The Bashams Dudleys Highlanders WGTT Hawkins & Ryder Regal and Burchill Zeke and Kozlov Londrick The Colons In-Crowd Moore Wang Rikishi and Scotty Terkay and Burke James and Stevens Eugene and Hacksaw Deuce n Domino Jesse and Festus Mexicools Kash and Noble
Alongside:
Legacy Cryme Tyme Hart Dynasty Dudebusters
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Post by manstis1804 on Jan 2, 2010 2:56:30 GMT -5
At the house show I attended in Greensboro, NC last week, the best match on the card was Slam Master J and Jimmy Wang Yang vs. the Hart Dynasty. The live crowds really get into tag matches, and a good team like the Harts can provide a really good match against virtually any two jobbers you can throw together as long as it's competetive.
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Post by corndog on Jan 2, 2010 3:54:22 GMT -5
I remember (and this was many years ago, so my memory could be wrong) that Vince was never a fan of tag teams. Specifically, he doesn't like the idea of paying 4 wrestlers for a 10 minute match when he could only be paying two. Which basically leads to the situation we have now -- a third-rate tag team division, and most teams only together long enough to get themselves and each other over before they break into singles careers. Really? The same Vince that built an awesome tag division in the mid 80s until the early 90s? Heck the late 90s-early 00s had some good tag teams also. I guess he would have to pay more wrestlers in the ring, but when you have a large rooster it makes getting more wrestlers over easier, and you can cover two guys weaknesses with the other's strengths. Just look at the Hart Foundation(Bret Hart weaker? mic skills, Neidhart weaker in ring skillers), or the New Age Outlaws(Billy Gunn solid wreslter, bad talker Jesse James great talker weaker wrestler). It also helps get wrestlers over, just look at HBK, Bret Hart, Edge, Christian, and Jeff Hardy.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jan 2, 2010 5:49:21 GMT -5
Real tag teams, a decent and reputable midcard division, believable champions, more emphasis on good matches and feuds rather than constant comedy sketches, more legit women's wrestlers......yeah I know what they are missing.
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Post by Big L on Jan 2, 2010 11:21:15 GMT -5
Well duh
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Post by MasonK565 on Jan 2, 2010 11:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by BitterAF on Jan 2, 2010 12:43:36 GMT -5
Must be that time of the month for the lack of tag team's thread.
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Post by Parrish on Jan 2, 2010 12:45:48 GMT -5
creative cant come up with ideas for 75% of the singles wrestlers (Swagger,MVP,Ziggler, etc etc)
how can we expect them to come up with stories to make us interested in tag teams???
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 2, 2010 12:46:55 GMT -5
Vince McMahon don't like tag teams. Think solo. lone wolf WITH a valet or friend. That's the focus. It won't take away from the big championship picture because he believes the average fan's attention span isn't good enough to handle all of that.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 2, 2010 12:59:34 GMT -5
I really do have to challenge the notion that the Dudley's were on the level of any main eventer. The format always has been the same when it comes to booking anyone on their roster. There is a top guy, and you work down from there. Tag-teams have always been mid-carders. That is, until WWE decided this year to put the belts on Edge and Jericho which made them almost a main event title in their own right, and now the tag team titles have main evented a PPV.
I really don't get the need for 'more tag teams', why is it so important? I read a post on the TNA forum that the Young Bucks should join TNA because it's the top of the mountain for guys that want to become the best tag team. I had to laugh, because I can't think of many wrestlers that if they were offered would rather be a great tag team than a great singles star, because the singles star is always going to make more money.
They will always be mid-card, unless they are doing what WWE is doing and putting together main eventers/upper-midcarders who haven't got anything else to do. Yeah the teams are essentially 'thrown together' but I'm not really sure how else you can go about it. Let's say they gave MVP and Mark Henry the same theme music, and had them exclusively be a tag team for the next 2 to 3 years. Great, the company then has an 'actual' tag team, but you're wasting the potential of MVP and Henry to an extent as well.
Miz and Morrison were great as a team, but all the while they were in the team, I couldn't help but think that Miz would make an awesome heel and Morrison could be the next HBK based on his ring-work if they let him do more flashy moves. And it's happening. They were both going to be more valuable to the company in their current roles than they are together. Teaming allowed them to get over to play off one another, and once that has happened, they should then have a spot in their own right.
JeriShow is a great team, and for someone like Big Show, it's a great deal for him because he would have been utterly directionless as a character otherwise. I'd much rather Jericho was feuding with Morrison for example though, because he's too good to be wasted as one half of a tag team. He's good enough to be entertaining in his own right.
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Post by mrmulluk on Jan 2, 2010 13:18:40 GMT -5
I think it's a shame to break it all down into money making and pushing people as one or the other. I just think for the quality of the show (I don;t want to say product) tag team matches are exciting and dramatic and i sorely miss them.
And i don't just mean face A & unrelated face B Vs Heel C and Heel D, I mean tag teams that dress alike damnit!
I'm going back to watch survivor series 89 again.
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Post by rrm15 on Jan 2, 2010 13:58:06 GMT -5
LMAO. "Wasting the potential of MVP"? From MVP's awesome heel work on SD to floating around aimlessly on RAW I'd say that potential is already wasted. MVP is in a tag team because they already killed his singles momentum.
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Post by bitteroldman on Jan 2, 2010 14:52:50 GMT -5
You have to admit that tag team matches are more limited in the way they're laid out. When is the last time you saw a match that didn't go basically like this:
Faces get early offense, heels take control of match using some underhanded tactic, face in ring gets beaten down by heels (with a hope spot or 2), face in ring gets hot tag to partner who cleans house and we go to the finish.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 2, 2010 14:53:33 GMT -5
LMAO. "Wasting the potential of MVP"? From MVP's awesome heel work on SD to floating around aimlessly on RAW I'd say that potential is already wasted. MVP is in a tag team because they already killed his singles momentum. His 'momentum' was 'killed' because on Raw he has Cena, HHH, HBK, Kofi all ahead of him. To get above them, he's going to have to be, or do something, very special. It wasn't that he was doing well, then they suddenly stopped booking him well, and then he lost his momentum. It's that they didn't want him as high up as others, because they have to make choices. There is a hierarchy, not everyone can have 'momentum'. Some guys just have to do their jobs as mid-carders and make the others look good. But what I'm saying is that if they decided to go all the way with making him and Henry a tag-team, giving them a tag team name and tag team music, and similar gimmicks within their own gimmick, then if you ever wanted to push MVP, he'd be stuck in a tag team so you'd have to break them up anyway, which means you may as well keep him open incase they ever need him. It's not just MVP that I was making the point about. It's like, if they wanted to push Morrison to the main event, they need an elevating feud like Kofi has with Orton, but Edge is injured and they decide that Jericho would be the perfect heel to bring Morrison up a level. Only Jericho is tied up in a tag team and a feud with DX, meaning Morrison has to feud with someone lower down. I'm all for tag-teams reinvirgorating careers like it has done for Miz and Morrison, and Big Show. However I don't want 'more tag teams!!!!' if it means guys who are perfectly capable of being good singles wrestlers have to spend too much time tied down in them. It's given HHH a new lease of life, it's given Big Show a new lease of life etc, so I'm fine with them currently in the tag division because it's mutually beneficial. They are helping the belts, and the belts are giving them a new spin on their character. If Jeff was here, they could put the Hardy Boys back together. They would have more tag teams as a resul, but I'd rather Jeff freshening up the main event scene than bumming around in the mid-card when he's much better than that. So my point is that I don't want more tag teams if it means holding guys down just for the sake of it. If it gives certain guys something to do, or rejuvenates them, then fine.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 2, 2010 14:58:57 GMT -5
I can see somewhere down the line the commentators saying something like:
"And now for something completely different that you may have never seen before on WWE TV... tag-teams!"
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